41 minutes ago, Bruan said:

I noticed another speech that seems to indicate they are abandoning the Saidin/Saidar aspects of the one power and it is men themselves that are cursed rather than the power itself tainted. If I am observing correctly, I wonder how that will play out with the fountain of untainted saidin found at the Eye of the World...

What speech?

32 minutes ago, RextheDog said:

 

 

this is spot on to me.

 

they could also achieved it by fleshing out his character in subsequent series and leave him to be that silent stoic character, that would work, that would build him, but as you say, that would shelve a main character for this season, and they've already half done that with Rand for the purpose of....well, we all know why.....

 

They didnt, so thats that....like a book EF, im just saying nothing can be done about it now so we have to keep going.

 

 

theres so many things they could have done differently, i guess after the fiasco of GOT, im trying my best to see why they did what they did in this show, not wonder why they didnt do what they didnt do....

 

 

 

I just don't see why they didn't shelve him for a series or two. It's not like they are short of other characters they could have focused more on developing (like Thom and Loial, for instance).

29 minutes ago, DaddyFinn said:

What speech?

I can’t say for certain before I get the chance to re-watch, but I believe it was when Liandrin was talking with Nynave.

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One thing I noticed is that the White Tower seemed  too empty to be the home of hundreds of Aes Sedai...

The Tower is described as very empty.  They have entire living wings for Aes Sedai, Novices and Accepted closed down because they don't have enough people to fill what they do have open

1 minute ago, Skipp said:

The Tower is described as very empty.  They have entire living wings for Aes Sedai, Novices and Accepted closed down because they don't have enough people to fill what they do have open

 

This is true. Though I hope we see it busier at least when Nynaeve, Egwene, and Elaybe are there.

9 hours ago, RextheDog said:

ask yourself do you really want the guy to be robotically undefeatable? is that the character you want to see?

Well, yes. But note the book Lan is never "undefeatable", I can remember several cases where he is incompetent facing a channeller, and that's absolutely alright. And there is a long way from being "undefeatable" to "failing at every task". The show Lan gives no vibe of an uncrowned king with the weight of Melkior on his shoulder, and I don't see how him saying "death lighter than a feather" can be as impressive as the book Lan.

1 minute ago, Indil said:

and I don't see how him saying "death lighter than a feather" can be as impressive as the book Lan.

Book Lan is different than Amazon Lan. Proven. Book Matt is different. Book Moiraine is different. Maybe you think Lan is more different. In any case, for the purposes of Amazon, is Lan a good character, and a consistent character?

I love Book-Lan but he's described like an anime character with anime reflexes sometimes. 

1 hour ago, RextheDog said:

 

 

book Lan> Show Lan, that i concede.

 

im trying to justify the differences in the character, he's more accessable, and because its an 8 show series his character arc is pushed on a little, if we accept that (i have, not saying others have to) then we can still see the same Lan that we see in the books, we do need to make offscreen assumptions, but thats fine with me 

 

apart from Nyn, who has he let his guard down to of his new found friends though?

 Thing is, why justify it? It is just wrong to have happened.

 

 Lan is one of the best characters in all of fantasy. It is just stupid to change him. Why fix what isnt broken? Not only not broken but pretty incredible as is.

 

 Lan should be played/written almost like Geralt in the Witcher. Rarely talking, grunts, absolutely competent and a bad ass. It works pretty damned well in the Witcher, why wouldnt it work pretty damned well in WoT?

He didn't look like Loial, but he sounded like him. The actor seemed to radiate Loial to me. 

10 minutes ago, Harad the White said:

Book Lan is different than Amazon Lan. Proven. Book Matt is different. Book Moiraine is different. Maybe you think Lan is more different. In any case, for the purposes of Amazon, is Lan a good character, and a consistent character?

Show Lan can still be a good and consistent character even if they make him a Dark friend. The point is, I perfectly accept book to show adaption cannot be one-to-one, but I don't see how it their change with Lan can "help the WOT universe". Book Lan is one of the fan favourite characters, which says his arc and characterization in the book is a great success. Stoic characters has also been successful on screen before, and breaking the "stoic male trope" just for the sake of breaking a trope, even if it is a good one does not make sense to me.

1 minute ago, Indil said:

Show Lan can still be a good and consistent character even if they make him a Dark friend.

Ridiculous, but true. Now back in Amazon WoT...

22 hours ago, king of nowhere said:

By the way, speaking of minor nuisances, while I like the scenery it chafes that we never see any farm or plantation. I mean, the buildings yes, farms with barns and everything. But not actual fields. they aren't growing anything. even tar valon, a huge city, what do they eat? it's all woods around as far as the eye can see. it spoils a bit the atmosphere

 

It's worth pointing out that this takes place at the end of winter but before spring. The fields would be fallow.

Edited December 4, 20213 yr by pyrusmole
clarity

Psychics irl make livings by making predictions. Unfortunately few go back and check whether these predictions are true. If they did they would find that psychics get it right about what you would expect for a random guesser. 

 

On this forum, who predicted what "Blood Calls Blood" would refer to? As an EN reactor predicted just reading the title, "Your boy is gonna finally become a wolf." That sounds right. Not to say it wasn't ambiguous and couldn't mean more things. In the Eps 5 prediction thread, @Jaysen Gore @ManetherenTaveren and @AdamA correctly predicted this. ? (Perhaps among others)

2 hours ago, RextheDog said:

apart from Nyn, who has he let his guard down to of his new found friends though?

Rand...is the closest. But not too close. I mean he's not chatting about poetry as he does with King Easar.

Was the suicide pact between Matt and Rand in the Book? (Reminds me of "Aliens" when the surviving Colonial Marines make the same deal.) 

1 hour ago, Indil said:

Well, yes. But note the book Lan is never "undefeatable", I can remember several cases where he is incompetent facing a channeller, and that's absolutely alright.

"Incompetent" is a strong word. In the book Nynaeve and Elayne get shielded...and the instant Elayne cries out "They have me shielded!" He jumps atop the enemy hitting an air wall...which broke the concentration needed for a shield. (And acting very much as a warder in this regard)

 

I'd say Lan is aware of his own strengths and his own weaknesses. 

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Interesting to see that even a lot of non book viewers are picking up on how it makes no sense for the Whitecloaks to be operating just outside Tar Valon.

 

I love that we have "Book Expert" Sarah telling us how hard they worked to make sure the changes made sense not just now but all the way down the line and yet even people who haven't read the books are able to pick up on how the Whitecloak's position in this episode makes no sense.

 

This is of course because they moved the scene's location without actually thinking of the consequences of doing so, just like how they took Loial's dialogue of being chased by people from the books without thinking about how it makes no sense when applied to the people of Tar Valon.

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1 minute ago, AusLeviathan said:

Interesting to see that even a lot of non book viewers are picking up on how it makes no sense for the Whitecloaks to be operating just outside Tar Valon.

Tower guards should have removed them long ago.

 

Oh wait, do they exist in the show?

I am baffled by how many "book-lovers" are criticising the show for things that appear in the books also. 

 

The Whitecloaks stop Verin and the girls just outside TV without a qualm. Here it is not even a big troop of them, just one Questioner with his men, who left the main troop to try to intercept the Aes Sedai with Logain. No reason to think they've been there very long. 

 

So many similar examples. 

5 minutes ago, AusLeviathan said:

Interesting to see that even a lot of non book viewers are picking up on how it makes no sense for the Whitecloaks to be operating just outside Tar Valon.

 

I love that we have "Book Expert" Sarah telling us how hard they worked to make sure the changes made sense not just now but all the way down the line and yet even people who haven't read the books are able to pick up on how the Whitecloak's position in this episode makes no sense.

 

This is of course because they moved the scene's location without actually thinking of the consequences of doing so, just like how they took Loial's dialogue of being chased by people from the books without thinking about how it makes no sense when applied to the people of Tar Valon.

 

Does it make no sense? In the books Loial says Ogier rarely leave the stedding nowadays. Is it obvious that the populace in TV are familiar with them? So obvious that it shows that SN is not a book expert in your opinion? 

6 minutes ago, AusLeviathan said:

This is of course because they moved the scene's location without actually thinking of the consequences of doing so, just like how they took Loial's dialogue of being chased by people from the books without thinking about how it makes no sense when applied to the people of Tar Valon.

A small band of Questioner's lurking on the outskirts of the City. A small group of racist citizens. Only an N&N would point out these "gaping holes."

5 minutes ago, Ralph said:

I am baffled by how many "book-lovers" are criticising the show for things that appear in the books also.

Are the book Whitecloaks burning Aes Sedai and publicly carrying around the rings of the Aes Sedai they've killed? No.

 

In the books it can make sense that they might be able to push the limits because they aren't killing Aes Sedai like that. In the show Valda has killed seven Aes Sedai and is even known to have done this by an Aes  Sedai in the White Tower and yet he's allowed to continued torturing and attacking people despite being in sight of the White Tower.

 

3 minutes ago, Harad the White said:

A small band of Questioner's lurking on the outskirts of the City. A small group of racist citizens. Only an N&N would point out these "gaping holes."

People who aren't book readers are N&N's because they're pointing out something doesn't make sense despite not even realizing that these were things changed from the books?

Edited December 4, 20213 yr by AusLeviathan

Just now, AusLeviathan said:

In the show Valda has killed seven Aes Sedai and is even known to have done this by an Aes  Sedai in the White Tower and yet he's allowed to continued torturing and attacking people despite being in sight of the White Tower.

It is know by an AS in the Tower that doesn't know his small band is on the outskirts of the City. C'mon, man, at least make sense in your blanket criticisms.