OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

Day 2 will end at 10pm Friday 7 March.

 

TURIN - 2 (Zander, Heavy)

HEAVY - 2 (Gudrean, Turin)

ANDY - 1 (Dice)

 

Not voting: Andy, Donchadh, Sooh

 

5 to Lynch

 

This is a Hammer Game. Majority Lynch will end the day. If no Majority is achieved there will be No Lynch.

 

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4 minutes ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

I mean having the feeling that they are town. That I don't feel unreasonably suspicious of their posts. 

 

thats it? cause so far you just seem sus of pretty much everything

 

2 minutes ago, Turin Turambar said:

UNVOTE 

VOTE HEAVY

I think he's mafia. Z you were on him all day yesterday but now seem to be trying to come up with ways to clear him. Dice you think he is mafia because of Andy  potential slip. I think he is the best choice. 

 

Still not lynching Gudrean. Thinking much more likely she is newb town, not newb mafia. 

 

Dice you went down to about 70% town with that. We only get 1 mislynch.

 

id rather go for the one who made the slip.

 

70% town my butt. i am NEVER scum here.

im off to bed

 

night

Goodnight Dice. No one is ever "never mafia".

6 minutes ago, dicetosser1 said:

thats it? cause so far you just seem sus of pretty much everything

Yup. Pretty much on the money there. 

23 minutes ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Would not lynch: nada

 

Would lynch: Turin (if I had to narrow it to one) 

 

Answer the question ffs

25 minutes ago, Turin Turambar said:

UNVOTE 

VOTE HEAVY

I think he's mafia. Z you were on him all day yesterday but now seem to be trying to come up with ways to clear him. Dice you think he is mafia because of Andy  potential slip. I think he is the best choice. 

 

Still not lynching Gudrean. Thinking much more likely she is newb town, not newb mafia. 

 

Dice you went down to about 70% town with that. We only get 1 mislynch.

 

Turin trying to TWTBAW clear.... DENIED 

And I called it. Turin spends 400 posts explaining why Zander is mafia, switches vote to me as I am Zander's "plus one", which is rather unsubstantiated. 

 

Makes no sense.

 

Not to me at least though I have the advantage of knowing I'm town, I suppose. 

4 minutes ago, Zander? said:

 

Answer the question ffs

People having "not touching" lists smacks of suspicion and nepotism, if you ask me. 

 

Unless we are talking about a different kind of touching. 

1 minute ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

And I called it. Turin spends 400 posts explaining why Zander is mafia, switches vote to me as I am Zander's "plus one", which is rather unsubstantiated. 

 

Makes no sense.

 

Not to me at least though I have the advantage of knowing I'm town, I suppose. 

 

Notice how I'm not pushing you currently?  Notice Dice isn't either tho you're plays been fairly scummy?  Go back and answer my question to everyone again with no reasons one name for will lunch today and one won't lunch.  Method to the madness 

1 minute ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

People having "not touching" lists smacks of suspicion and nepotism, if you ask me. 

 

Unless we are talking about a different kind of touching. 

 

Omg just know that an experienced player is asking for a real easy question to answer and other experienced player answered.  This is called cover.  I hate that I have to explain itt in case the Wolves are both newbs.  But at least my main issue is resolved and I now know you're definitely a new player.

Least suspicious is Gudrean, the sus things she has said seem too much like newbie errors. But I would not go as far as saying I would not lynch her. Certainly unlikely to vote for her as things stand now, even Turin notwithstanding. 

Heavy, I think it is very obvious that you and Zander had a big hullabaloo yesterday of calling each other wolves without actually making any serious attempt to get each other lynched.  This is one of the more we'll known gambits in mafia for mafia teammates to perform.  It works because people don't like confrontation and couldn't imagine such a thing being made up. That you continue the snark with no substantial effort makes it stand out to me. I have you guys as the remaining wolves and am probably not voting anyone other than you 2 today. 

Your own behaviour has been shady. If you look at early game I was waiting  for people to show up before voting you because early game is fun and I wanted to let people have their silliness before getting serious. 

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There's a post you make about game getting serious once voting starts. My reply is I'm just waiting for people to show up.

 

No quotes because it's too much work. Look it up if you doubt me.

 

2 minutes ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Least suspicious is Gudrean, the sus things she has said seem too much like newbie errors. But I would not go as far as saying I would not lynch her. Certainly unlikely to vote for her as things stand now, even Turin notwithstanding. 

 

Omg I gotta leave this thread before I get modkilled

Oh dear

Ok, I should probably not be doing this work now, but here I am, so I guess I'll read the thread. 

 

I'll read from where I left off and up to current, before possibly going back to EOD1.

It takes you substantial effort to snark *does not compute*

 

So I'm a wolf because I think Zander is totally sus. And you have just spent all morning (or last night was not keeping up) explaining how sus Zander was. Even though his behaviour was not hugely different than yours or Dice's. But you are so convinced that Zander is wolf you are voting me. 

 

Well that seems convincing.

 

The most painful part of all this is that you think if me and Zander were in a private chat he would be telling me what to do. I'd be like "lolololololol great plan bro let's get back the wrasslin". 

 

Nearly hope I do get lynched to get out of this stress and leave a massive I told you so to you all. 

 

Turin: wolfy mcwolf

Z: sus as get out

Everyone else: not much better. 

52 minutes ago, Zander? said:

 

Omg I gotta leave this thread before I get modkilled

I answered your question but you weren't happy with the answer so I elaborated and now even less happy? 

 

I am confusion. 

Sidenote: From reading current I gather that Z and Heavy are sussing each other, but they also agree that Turin is scum? Am I getting that right?

3 minutes ago, Sooh said:

Sidenote: From reading current I gather that Z and Heavy are sussing each other, but they also agree that Turin is scum? Am I getting that right?

I'd that seems about right. 

 

Just as a point if I get lynched and then Turin claims this gives Zander town cred as he must have been wrong about both us I think we have our two remaining wolves. Obviously I could just flapping my lips here but once I flip town remember this. That will not Z any town cred. 

20 hours ago, Turin Turambar said:

Here is some stuff from day 1.  Note the time stamps for the vote counts. hopefully this works. The BOLD at top of each one is mine.

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this is the VC about 13 from deadline.

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

 

TURIN - 1  (Andy)

CAIROS - 2 (Dice, Turin)

HEAVY - 2 (Millon, Zander)

ZANDER - 1 (Heavy)

MILLON - 1  (Sooh)

ANDY - 1 (Cairos)

 

NOT VOTING - Cairos, Donchadh, Gudrean

 

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about 12 hours from deadline(DL) Sooh votes Cairos.

Alright, here's where I'm at

 

Town-ish:

Dice

 

Gudrean

Andy

 

Not touching D1: 

Turin

Z

 

Null:

Don

 

Sus:
Heavy

Mills

 

Red flags abound: 

Cairos

 

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Vote Cairos

 

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newVC

TURIN - 1  (Andy)

CAIROS - 3 (Dice, Turin, Sooh)

HEAVY - 2 (Millon, Zander)

ZANDER - 1 (Heavy)

ANDY - 1 (Cairos)

 

NOT VOTING - Donchadh, Gudrean

 

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about 8 hours from DL Gud votes Cairos after I ask her to vote.

I guess I will go with my original choice then.

 

Vote: Cairos

 

Can't give you quotes but just to say he seemed sus to me in the beginning and seems to be playing it safe a lot.

 

Could just be that he's busy but that could also be helping him in this situation. 

 

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this VC is about 7.5 hours from DL

TURIN - 1  (Andy)

CAIROS - 4 (Dice, Turin, Sooh, Gudrean)

HEAVY - 2 (Millon, Zander)

ZANDER - 1 (Heavy)

ANDY - 1 (Cairos)

 

NOT VOTING - Donchadh

 

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These two posts are Z saying something feels wrong and to NOT VOTE CAIROS

  On 3/3/2025 at 2:22 PM, Gudrean said:

I guess I will go with my original choice then.

 

Vote: Cairos

 

Can't give you quotes but just to say he seemed sus to me in the beginning and seems to be playing it safe a lot.

 

Could just be that he's busy but that could also be helping him in this situation. 

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Man this Cairo's wagon building is starting to feel a little too much LHF fruit Scum push.  Especially with no real counter wagon unless the Wagons have changed and I'm not up to date.

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  On 3/3/2025 at 2:31 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

 

TURIN - 1  (Andy)

CAIROS - 4 (Dice, Turin, Sooh, Gudrean)

HEAVY - 2 (Millon, Zander)

ZANDER - 1 (Heavy)

ANDY - 1 (Cairos)

 

NOT VOTING - Donchadh

 

6 to Lynch - Hammer Game

 

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NOONE ELSE VOTE CAIROS YET!!!!

 

TOO EARLY...WE HAVE TIME AND THERES NO REAL COUNTER TRAIN.

 

WE MAY END UP THERE BUT IF CAIROS IS TOWN TOMORROW IS A CLUSTER-F WITH EASY OUTS FOR WOLVES ON TRAIN AND EBOLAIDS FOR VILLAS WHO WERE JUST WRONG IN A TOWN!CAIROS WORLD

 

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VC with about 6 hrs to go

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

 

TURIN - 1  (Andy)

CAIROS - 4 (Dice, Turin, Sooh, Gudrean)

HEAVY - 2 (Millon, Zander)

ZANDER - 1 (Heavy)

ANDY - 1 (Cairos)

 

NOT VOTING - Donchadh

 

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I UNVOTE stating I am still fully willing to vote Cairos and that I will be her thru DL

UNVOTE 

 

I still am willing to lynch Cairos but we have time. I'm mostly around aside from making dinner(tea) for Ithi, me and my dog.

 

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New VC this is about 7hr from DL

TURIN - 1  (Andy)

CAIROS - 3 (Dice, Sooh, Gudrean)

HEAVY - 2 (Millon, Zander)

ZANDER - 1 (Heavy)

ANDY - 1 (Cairos)

 

NOT VOTING - Donchadh, Turin

 

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Mills "fails" to vote Cairos. I included it because he lists his reads and reasoning for his vote.

This sucks. I'm sorry. Work turned into a bear and I have little to no time. Lunch got axed. Ugh

 

Long/Short:

 

Vote: Cairos. Sorry buddy. Stalemates are no bueno. A lynch is better than no lynch. His activity, albeit understood with the business of saving lives, he hasn't offered much in mapping folks. (I am fully aware that statement can be used against me as well. hahaha fml). If he flips town I am strongly eyeballing Turin. 

 

My Town:  Gud, Sooh,

 

Null: That means unsure? If so, Dice, Don, Andy, Heavy

 

Sus: Turin, really pushing Cairos well before we got close to EOD. Z, so much text.

 

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I vote Heavy to get a secondary train. NOTE: Zander despite being on Heavy and decrying the lack of a secondary train isn't really pushing for people to vote Heavy (or anyone else).

The tacos do.look good.

 

VOTE HEAVY for competition 

 

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New VC with about 2.5 hours to go

TURIN - 1  (Andy)

CAIROS - 3 (Dice, Sooh, Gudrean)

HEAVY - 3 (Millon, Zander, Turin)

ZANDER - 1 (Heavy)

ANDY - 1 (Cairos)

 

NOT VOTING - Donchadh

 

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Heavy switches from Z to me because I voted him to get a competing train?!?!? (I still contend there is no world in which I get lynched yesterday, so he is basically locking his vote on a non-train.

Such a wolf. 

Don't buy this dropping of Cairos and jumping on me. Maybe I'm biased but not buying it at all. 

 

UNVOTE 

 

VOTE TURIN

 

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New VC with about 2.5 hour to DL still

TURIN - 2  (Andy, Heavy)

CAIROS - 3 (Dice, Sooh, Gudrean)

HEAVY - 3 (Millon, Zander, Turin)

ANDY - 1 (Cairos)

 

NOT VOTING - Donchadh

 

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Donchadh gives his reads and then after a while votes.

  On 3/3/2025 at 7:24 PM, Turin Turambar said:

Donchadh,  please get us your thoughts as soon as possible. 

 

Trying....holy mother of sheep milk's wool headed bloody dice...or some such...so many posts to read and catch up on. 

Townies: Andy, Gud, Sooh ... I like their logic and the fact that they seem just as confused as me. 

Sus: Z, Dice, Mil, Heavy ... I keep switching back and forth.  I appreciate their logic, but it seems that they are trying to drive particular decisions.  Of course, that might just be because they know what they are doing.

Mafia: Turin and Cairo.  I'm pretty certain one if Mafia and they both seem to be playing in concert while also throwing shade on each other.  

Can I just roll a D20 and add my "intuition" modifier?

Alright, I'm getting called into another work meeting (that will carry me past the official timer) in about an hour.  I will hold my voting for another 30 minutes.  But currently, I'm voting either Turin (in line with my earlier post) or Cairo.

(Again, mucho apologies for my absence). 

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  On 3/3/2025 at 8:18 PM, Turin Turambar said:

Can you explain those more in depth please.  

Well, you and Cairos seem the most experienced. And you both throw some shade at each other while also laying out very good reasons for being innocent as well as others not.  As both of your strategies seem similar ... it seems like you are working together.  

As for Sooh being confused ... I just got a sense of random musings from them.  Nothing concrete....like as if they were still confused, although, perhaps undecided is a better term here.  Given their experience, I weighed that more towards Town than either Sus or Mafia.

Honestly, I'm grasping at straws here (hence the comment about using an intuition modified).  After catching up by reading "way too many pages" (my own damn fault).  This was the best assessment that I could make.

And now, I'm getting called to a meeting that will last past the timer.  So I will vote. 

Vote: Cairos

 

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New VC with about 1hr 40 min to DL (Mills hasn't fixed his unvote situation)

TURIN - 2  (Andy, Heavy)

CAIROS - 4 (Dice, Sooh, Gudrean, Donchadh)

HEAVY - 3 (Millon, Zander, Turin)

ANDY - 1 (Cairos)

 

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Mills fixes his vote

unvote Heavy

vote Cairos

 

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New VC time to DL is a little over an hour

TURIN - 2  (Andy, Heavy)

CAIROS - 5 (Dice, Sooh, Gudrean, Donchadh, Millon)

HEAVY - 2 (Zander, Turin)

ANDY - 1 (Cairos)

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Dice comes in and asks us not to hammer. This is reasonable as previously discussed. there is some chit chat that is distracting IMO from Z, Heavy and Andy. Z in particular asking about Lyynch mechanics that were already made clear is still bothering. Dice also gives his reads Which I will include.

Reads

 

Cairos   Scum with second guessing happening. Willing to lynch him and if im wrong im coming for the people who got on the train recently.

 

Heavy   All over the place. One minute seems a noob then doesnt. Reads dont make sense to me.

 

Turin  probable town but i am not locking him in. Ive been wrong too often to do that.

 

Zanders Zandering so im happy.

 

Sooh  null leaning scum. seems to be asking questions but doesnt feel like shes solving.

 

Gudren  Noob clear read.

 

Don  no idea. will reevaluate based on possible cairos lynch

 

Mills  have had as probable scum

 

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with 8 min left Cairos shows up. Z UNVOTES, Cairos UNVOTES, Z asks him to vote Heavy or Mills(confirmed townie with no votes) this is now 6 min to go, Cairos votes Heavy, Gud announces shes there...

Cairos:Who do you want to vote Z?

Z: UNVOTE

Cairos: UNVOTE

Z: You willing to vote for Heavey or Mills if so do it quickly 

Cairos: VOTE HEAVY

Gudrean: I'm here

 

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I hammer. This is with 5 min left. I was actually typing this while Gud was posting

Nobody is going to switch.

 

UNVOTE 

VOTE CAIROS 

 

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FINAL VC: 

That's a Lynch.

 

 

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

 

TURIN - 2  (Andy, Heavy)

CAIROS - 6 (Dice, Sooh, Gudrean, Donchadh, Millon, Turin)

HEAVY - 1 (Cairos)

 

NOT VOTING - Zander

 

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FINAL NOTES: I think you will see that the train didn't really build all that fast when taking into consideration the activity level and availability of the people in the game. Sooh, Gud, Don and Mills all pretty much came in at their last chance and voted reasonably I would say. 

 

Zander was the one that said it built too fast and so on but he never really either got off Heavy nor really advocated in a Zander way to get other people to vote Heavy. Ther was mostly a lot of empty posturing back and forth. 

 

I really encourage you all to read the entire thing and draw your own conclusions.

 

 

 

I really like the legwork and the thought processes here. I still haven't read EOD, and it's dawning on me that I probably should do that before reading a discussion on EOD, but this post is good.

1 hour ago, Turin Turambar said:

snark

Can we cut the new players a break and try to use less confrontational terms please.

 

If you want them to play again, and keep Mafia alive on DM you should remember that new players might still not have developed a heart of stone, or learned to compartmentalise. 

 

I'm not saying we have to all be fluffy bunnies and rainbows, but you know, be aware that they might never have experienced anything like this on DM and we really don't want to make them sad.

On 3/3/2025 at 4:07 PM, Zander? said:

 

Turin is now locked D1 Villa for me

I'm currently reading through to see the transition from this to Z voting Turin right now, alongside Heavy who he also suspects. 

 

If Z is around, do you think Turin and Heavy are both scum, or just one of them? Or do you think Heavy is bussing Turin?

Yeah so 'snark' just as a quote didnt help. But when you say a player is full of snark, they might think you feel they are a snarky person.

 

I know you don't mean that.

 

You think they are posting in a certain way to avoid answering questions, for whatever reason.

 

But even though they are all doing really well,  and joining in so nicely, this is the first argumentative experience some of them will have had.

 

So just be kind x

Or let's follow this further. If I'm lynched, will Turin come back to his massive post of Zander suspicion and say oops, but I'm sure Zander is mafia? 

 

Why lynch "the sidekick" first?most of Turin's suspicions seem to be based on Zander and me interacting. If Zander flipped town that would remove a lot of suspicion from me. Really feel like this is a ploy to lynch me then Zander... Or maybe give Zander town cred. But I don't think it makes sense to take Turin's position then push me. Why not coopt my suspicion of Zander for that train? Feels very lupine.