I'm sure it's obvious by now, but I don't really do vibes based, I like taking the concrete info we have (Flips, cops, watches, etc) and then looking back through what was said and how people acted with that information in mind.

14 minutes ago, Zander? said:

 

Fair enough.  So RTE and Leno prolly Town iyo?   With the exception of maybe 1 or 2 posts I'd say Cairos isn't really playing differently than last game as a Wolf tho last few pages a bit more active at least and i quoted and commented on the one post I saw of his and that felt more likely Villagery to me

 

I'm not fully prepared to call RTE or Lenlo villagers but I don't want to kill them at this moment.

 

Cairos was bugging me for a reason that I know upsets him and others have already called out, but reading people on how they handle their inability to participate due to IRL obligations is a thing we all have to do sometimes.  I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and allow him space to play, but he's on my radar.

Official Vote Count

 

ZANDER - 1 (Heavy)

LENLO - 1 (Verbal)

RTE - 2 (Dice, Zander)

 

Not Voting: Cairos, Cass, Gudrean, RTE, Turin, Shad, Lenlo

 

Day 1 will end 10pm GMT Friday 14 March.

 

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This is a Deadline Game. This means whoever has the most votes at Deadline will be Lynched. Don't be shouting at me to do multi vote counts. If there is a Tie, RandomOrg will decide. It's in your interest to not leave Lynches up to chance.

27 hours and 20 mins till end of Day 1

I know I can't just convince you all i'm town because i'm nice! or because zander says he's in my pocket. but ask yourself this, what have i done to behave wolfy at all? I'm ok with being the sacrifice if it leads to others' success but if i am (lynched or nk'd) and i flip town remember some of the points i've made or the questions i asked people. 

My feels have shifted a bit in the last couple hours. 

not 100% on cairos, cass, heavy or dice to be honest. starting to feel like verbal, lenlo, rte and shad has 1 at best wolf if any, keep forgetting about turin this game because he's been much quieter but i still feel he's town.

pretty sure zander is town or a fantastic actor

 

*shrugs*

3 minutes ago, Gudrean said:

I know I can't just convince you all i'm town because i'm nice! or because zander says he's in my pocket. but ask yourself this, what have i done to behave wolfy at all? I'm ok with being the sacrifice if it leads to others' success but if i am (lynched or nk'd) and i flip town remember some of the points i've made or the questions i asked people. 

My feels have shifted a bit in the last couple hours. 

not 100% on cairos, cass, heavy or dice to be honest. starting to feel like verbal, lenlo, rte and shad has 1 at best wolf if any, keep forgetting about turin this game because he's been much quieter but i still feel he's town.

pretty sure zander is town or a fantastic actor

 

*shrugs*

 

Yeah I mean

 

You bleed new to the game all over and sometimes you say things that strike me as wolfy in the moment, but then I reflect on how I think someone who has those takes as either alignment would play their first wolf rand and I go right back to feeling comfortable with you.  We'll see where things go down the road but you're still in my village pile for now.

I noticed myself pop up in the top posters section and it reminded me of something I really like about this forum layout for Werewolf.

 

I like that we can't track every player's post count.

 

I can't stand post count reads.  They're so cheap.  They invite spam.  Wolves have to and villagers feel obligated to post more to live up to other players' expectations, and the standard raises with every generation as people constantly try to out-post each other, and suddenly oh you had less than 100 posts in a day phase makes you a suspect no matter what you've had to say, while half the people around you have said nothing at all but hit that sweet untouchable spot of 300 post per day average.  Ugh.

 

I'm glad it's not visible here.  Being forced to ignore post count is good for the game.

22 minutes ago, Gudrean said:

I know I can't just convince you all i'm town because i'm nice! or because zander says he's in my pocket. but ask yourself this, what have i done to behave wolfy at all? I'm ok with being the sacrifice if it leads to others' success but if i am (lynched or nk'd) and i flip town remember some of the points i've made or the questions i asked people. 

My feels have shifted a bit in the last couple hours. 

not 100% on cairos, cass, heavy or dice to be honest. starting to feel like verbal, lenlo, rte and shad has 1 at best wolf if any, keep forgetting about turin this game because he's been much quieter but i still feel he's town.

pretty sure zander is town or a fantastic actor

 

*shrugs*

Counter point, what have you done to behave town at all? Like I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for now, not because I trust you but because other people I have town reads on like Shad appear content to do so,.

@Lenlo How exactly does a towny behave? Just asking cause I'm not sure what you would be looking for.

Villagers bark a lot and scratch their fur and howl at the moon.

25 minutes ago, Gudrean said:

@Lenlo How exactly does a towny behave? Just asking cause I'm not sure what you would be looking for.

Imo? They talk less about themselves and more about other people. They look into what people are saying and why they could be saying it, they aren't terribly concerned with their own lives (Unless they have a role, but don't tell anyone you have that because it makes you a target for wolves to shoot) over finding wolves, etc etc. Basically, a town looks to understand and solve, a wolf looks to survive and fit in, most of the time. Exceptions prove the rule, yadda yadda

7 hours ago, Turin Turambar said:

I'm not sure if you will find it obvious still just say. It was due to Dice asking if I thought he should have been able to reasonably draw a verdict from our interactions.  I say no because it was just banter, and couldn't see any way it would be considered alignment  indicative.

 

6 hours ago, Cass said:

 

Not sure what you mean by 'still just say' (?) but Ta.

Was Dice's question AI for you/Did he push that he could draw an AI verdict on the interactions?

 

I don't think I'm up to that part yet, or if I am I've forgotten it - in any case I'll keep reading and see if anything pops out.

 

6 hours ago, Turin Turambar said:

Not willing first, cause I'm contrary like that.

1. Shad. I think his process is pure. I don't always understand what he says but I find myself nodding in agreement  most of the time.

2. Gud. I might be wrong, but I just want her to be town. Ithi should make her a siggy with a coat of many pockets. 

3. Heavy. I haven't gotten so much the off vibe I got from him last game. Maybe our calming down has helped him find him find his center. Some of his posts have been pretty good too.

 

Willing to lynch. (Not in order)

1. Zander Dice. That thing with our interactions is bugging me more and more. It feels like using his "special skill" to slide by taking a stance where it isn't warranted. Tbh, I don't really remember him reading me all that great. 

2. RTE.  The vig thing was bad.  The policy lynch thing was worse. The only positive thing I remember from him is his stopping any attempts at away Dice lynching from happening. 

3. Cairos.  Just not enough from him. I'm nowt really a meta guy, like at all, but I just saw him not really post many thoughts as mafia last game. I want to see more thoughts, take a stance.

 

I am leaning more towards you being town. 

 

Ok all above here are quoted relating to the same thing. my question to Turin

 

So @Turin Turambar and @Cass

 

Turin it seems you have misinterpreted my question. I wasnt asking about the interactions between you and Zander.

 

You made a comment that it was too early for Len to get a T/T read on Zander.

 

What I was asking is would you have that same opinion if it was ME making that T/T and not Lenlo? 

 

And the purpose is to understand your thinking there. Is it just a hardline way of thinking for you that applies to everyone? Does it change depending on who is doing it?

 

6 hours ago, Gudrean said:

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Reads for today:

Cass - best girl - town - earlier posts seemed legit town

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or just busy atm so no real read

Cairos - town - could the random.orgs be so cruel to throw him wolf twice in a row?

RTE - sus posts about my alignment and zander vig claim - maybe innocent mistake but..

Shad - feels real town, but...

Lenlo - thought he was wolf pretty quickly, maybe just that "this joke too far" claim but then some what felt like admissions?

Verb - was thinking wolf from his knowing I'm villagey but questioning anyway

Turin - seems legit town

Heavy - bringing good logics and so far clean feels

Dice - asking how we are the same made me think twice about whether he meant he knows i'm town and he's not???

Zander - pocket feels pretty darn towny - don't make me cry man!

 

so four possibles in my head but have to narrow done to 3

 

will vote in a little bit closer to time

 

 

It was your comparision.  Dont sus me for questioning when you compare your style to mine considering the experience difference. It was all to do with understanding why you think we are alike. Not about alignments.

 

As far as alignment goes, im wondering if youre scum. Only lightly wondering but wondering.

6 hours ago, ReleaseTheEvil said:

Process of elimination. I think one of the three of you at minimum is scum. Of the three I think you're most likely the town player though

 

Thats not reasons

 

6 hours ago, Gudrean said:

Yes Ma'am I am.  Don't have any evidence but not sold on a Verbal town yet. Time will tell

and even tho I don't want Cairos to be wolf I am not sold on his township just yet.

I might also be letting the exciting posts of z/L make my judgements of Lenlo fuzzy. 

 

I thought you had just said youd mixed verbal up with someone else?

 

5 hours ago, Turin Turambar said:

Can you explain your process? How you selected your groups of three? That feels an odd way to state that.

 

Mindmeld. thank you Turin.

 

5 hours ago, ReleaseTheEvil said:

That's a good question.

 

Your group is old timers experienced folk. 

 

Other group is newer blood/less experienced in Mafia. 

 

Based on probabilities and the fact I'm not so sure about the 6 of you, I think at least two of you are scum. 

 

not a fan of this. Especially the last line. 

 

5 hours ago, Turin Turambar said:

Well you put 6 people out in two groups and stated you thought there were at least 2 mafia in the 6. There are 11 people in the game. If you have your mafia group exclusive in those 6, do you think the remaining 5 players are town? Or are they null? And then of those 5 which do you think might still be mafia?

 

 

Turins doing my work for me. Loving his questions. He wording it better than I probably would too lol

1 hour ago, Gudrean said:

I know I can't just convince you all i'm town because i'm nice! or because zander says he's in my pocket. but ask yourself this, what have i done to behave wolfy at all? I'm ok with being the sacrifice if it leads to others' success but if i am (lynched or nk'd) and i flip town remember some of the points i've made or the questions i asked people. 

My feels have shifted a bit in the last couple hours. 

not 100% on cairos, cass, heavy or dice to be honest. starting to feel like verbal, lenlo, rte and shad has 1 at best wolf if any, keep forgetting about turin this game because he's been much quieter but i still feel he's town.

pretty sure zander is town or a fantastic actor

 

*shrugs*

 

You don't even have any votes on you so seems a bit dramatic with talking about being sacrificed. Also yes naming almost half the players in the game certainly should have one wolf in there 😂 I would say just try to appear genuine and ask good questions and describe how your reads change when they do. 

 

1 hour ago, Shad_ said:

I noticed myself pop up in the top posters section and it reminded me of something I really like about this forum layout for Werewolf.

 

I like that we can't track every player's post count.

 

I can't stand post count reads.  They're so cheap.  They invite spam.  Wolves have to and villagers feel obligated to post more to live up to other players' expectations, and the standard raises with every generation as people constantly try to out-post each other, and suddenly oh you had less than 100 posts in a day phase makes you a suspect no matter what you've had to say, while half the people around you have said nothing at all but hit that sweet untouchable spot of 300 post per day average.  Ugh.

 

I'm glad it's not visible here.  Being forced to ignore post count is good for the game.

 

Actually you used go be able to do that on DM but appears you can't anymore. I don't completely disagree with you but did reveal when people were taking the piss with way too few posts by say Day 6

35 minutes ago, Lenlo said:

Imo? They talk less about themselves and more about other people. They look into what people are saying and why they could be saying it, they aren't terribly concerned with their own lives (Unless they have a role, but don't tell anyone you have that because it makes you a target for wolves to shoot) over finding wolves, etc etc. Basically, a town looks to understand and solve, a wolf looks to survive and fit in, most of the time. Exceptions prove the rule, yadda yadda

Agreed

6 hours ago, Zander? said:

Please give me a take on the Lenlo me situation, not drawing it back again it's just really because it's the biggest event this far in the game, and everyoneshould have read it and shared opinions/have a take/thoughts.

 

Also Cass if you could and are busy please give me your takes on like at least 2-3 Villa leans and why and ,2-3 Wolf leans for you ATP please.

 

Made it to today again!

 

Ok

 

1. To add to the previous re You/Lenlo. Holymotherofbatmansbatman. You two!! So much hullabaloo, and a lot of it feels fishing more than actually fishy. Waiting to see where Lenlo goes next. 

 

2. Buttt *stamps feet* Ithi said I can play any way I want, and she's the boss!!

1 hour ago, Shad_ said:

I noticed myself pop up in the top posters section and it reminded me of something I really like about this forum layout for Werewolf.

 

I like that we can't track every player's post count.

 

I can't stand post count reads.  They're so cheap.  They invite spam.  Wolves have to and villagers feel obligated to post more to live up to other players' expectations, and the standard raises with every generation as people constantly try to out-post each other, and suddenly oh you had less than 100 posts in a day phase makes you a suspect no matter what you've had to say, while half the people around you have said nothing at all but hit that sweet untouchable spot of 300 post per day average.  Ugh.

 

I'm glad it's not visible here.  Being forced to ignore post count is good for the game.

 

Please don't lunch the lowest poster because I'm a Villager!!!!!

1 hour ago, Gudrean said:

I know I can't just convince you all i'm town because i'm nice! or because zander says he's in my pocket. but ask yourself this, what have i done to behave wolfy at all? I'm ok with being the sacrifice if it leads to others' success but if i am (lynched or nk'd) and i flip town remember some of the points i've made or the questions i asked people. 

My feels have shifted a bit in the last couple hours. 

not 100% on cairos, cass, heavy or dice to be honest. starting to feel like verbal, lenlo, rte and shad has 1 at best wolf if any, keep forgetting about turin this game because he's been much quieter but i still feel he's town.

pretty sure zander is town or a fantastic actor

 

*shrugs*

 

Gud God if you're a Wolf my heart will be forever broken but I'm getting the point you have to be a Villager.   Need to hear from the others in last game but barring something crazy from flips Wagonomics etc I'm close to Towning you and rolling with it.

1 hour ago, Shad_ said:

Villagers bark a lot and scratch their fur and howl at the moon.

 

Bad Shad Bad....no treats for you go sit outside in the doghouse!!!!!!!

1 hour ago, Gudrean said:

@Lenlo How exactly does a towny behave? Just asking cause I'm not sure what you would be looking for.

 

Be like Zander ❤️ 

5 hours ago, Cass said:

 

XD Got room in that pocket? I won't take it, but it looks semi-comfy from here so far XD

 z/L 'exciting' and 'fuzzy' how? (and is the lower case/capital specific)? 

 

NB/People correct me if I'm wrong, but Verb's meta = a pretty 'even'/'balanced' player, tone-evidence-wise, and Lenlo's = often fuzzy, so glgl to us all here.
 

 

agree on verb.  disagree on len. He can be VERY clear town at times a

 

5 hours ago, Cairos said:

So a read on a person is by looking at their post and the tone of the post? 

 

no. that, along with things like meta and wagonomics inform the read, help people to make it.

 

The read as Zander said is Town null or scummy. Its how you feel about them i guess.

49 minutes ago, dicetosser1 said:

 

 

 

Ok all above here are quoted relating to the same thing. my question to Turin

 

So @Turin Turambar and @Cass

 

Turin it seems you have misinterpreted my question. I wasnt asking about the interactions between you and Zander.

 

You made a comment that it was too early for Len to get a T/T read on Zander.

 

What I was asking is would you have that same opinion if it was ME making that T/T and not Lenlo? 

 

And the purpose is to understand your thinking there. Is it just a hardline way of thinking for you that applies to everyone? Does it change depending on who is doing it?

 

 

It was your comparision.  Dont sus me for questioning when you compare your style to mine considering the experience difference. It was all to do with understanding why you think we are alike. Not about alignments.

 

As far as alignment goes, im wondering if youre scum. Only lightly wondering but wondering.

 

 

I'm starting to feel one of you are ...saddestfaceever gif 

Z one of who?

Gud is obviously lovely, but can anyone really differentiate between a new player coming into her own in confidence and imprinting her personality on the thread, and a new player being asked in wolf chat "so what were you like last game? Totally cute? Run with that, don't be too quiet".

 

I think Gud's tone is fine, if maybe a little defensive. Leaning towards Town, but fairly null read for me.

 

Everyone seems to be back tracking on their suspicions, making excuses for everyone, generally leaving me confused. 

 

Shad seems town, Turin seems more relaxed, so hopefully more accurate. Don't like RTE's posting and his interactions with Lenlo. Don't like Verbal's tone, or the way he was taking the "leader of the town" position by assigning lynch targets and PR targets, rather on the low key, totally sensible advice. Zander seems to have calmed down. Cass? I feel like someone is asking me to rate her artistic ability then showing me a video of her shoving crayons up her nose. I mean, sure why not? Definitely town or mafia. Probably. Cairos is a hard working nurse and probably has a cute uniform, null read, real life seems plausible, especially combined with the questions he has been asking. Dice appears as grumpy and taciturn as ever. Guess is town? Doesn't seem to have the "this person is mafia and I will die on this hill" that he did last game. Which could be down to better camouflaged wolves, I suppose.

 

All my suspicions are weak sauce. Willing to lynch at this point, RTE, Verbal and Lenlo, roughly in that order of priority. I'm sure my opinions will wildly fluctuate over the next 24 hours if last game is anything to go by.

6 hours ago, Gudrean said:

I did a quick look through of ALL the pages just looking for posts from you and I could not find anything about me so I have mixed you up yet again with another player. My sincere apologies Sir Verbal!

 

However, is it at all possible when you made the post about the possible scum and left a spot open with ??? it was because you know who the 3 are and didn't want to out your teammates? At least maybe you outed one for continuity but added a townie and left ??? for the third? Just asking 😇

?Bold?

What was the mixup other than 'Verb seemed to possibly have TMI' ?