2 minutes ago, Verbal32 said:

 

It is not mean.  I know you're new, but like Turin said in his spoiler quote, the town leader thing has been discussed in the previous games, which you were in.

 

Look at it from my POV.  At some point, you'll understand and learn the terms and how to apply them.  Then if you're scum, you can fake "still learning" and get town cred from people because they don't realize you're lying.

 

To say you don't feign anything is not right - when scum, you'll feign everything.  When town, you might feign some things to try and trap scum.  Last game, I was trying to be suspicious (I just went a bit too far with that, heh).  That was me feigning.  

 

Hope you understand where I'm coming from - never intended to be mean, just playing the game.

no worries man I was being cheeky! Did I use that correctly UK folks? I don't take the game stuffs personal. 

 

As for the "I should know these things already part" I don't like to misunderstand things so I ask a lot of questions. I'm the person who rereads a chapter in a book 10 times to make sure I get it.

 

3 hours ago, Darthe said:

This is a ton of fluff and still utterly misses the point.  You chose talking mechanics to the new player over actually contributing substance, and are still mad that I called you on it.

 

youre also diving on the concept that my lack of a town read doesn’t constitute enough to consider you wolfy.  Less than 20 pages into D1 why would it have to?  Getting bent out of shape by it was more telling.

you’re also self admittedly crafting your sentences, but expect me to not highlight when I see the artifice in how you chose your words.  
 

see the contradiction?  This response is basically a self reveal.  GG, sorry you didn’t make it past D1.

 

 

 

 

also I feel copied. I made both the were-withal and the great interest jokes.

 

This is not accurate.  Turin has been very involved in the game and of course people craft sentences. IMO it happens in either alignment.

 

3 hours ago, DPR said:

Things on my mind this morning:

 

1. Turin has invited everyone to discuss whether or not Zander should have revealed his role on this early in the game. Turin's critique of it has turned into a bit of a lightning rod for him and imo, discussing why that happened is more important than his invitation. 

 

My take is that what's done is done. Zander is mod-confirmed Town IC and that gives the town a big advantage early in the game. Discussing Zander's reasoning for revealing seems like a way to add  unnecessary conversation to the game as opinions about this topic are not really indicative of alignment.

 

2. Key has attracted suspicion from a number of players. It would be worth clarifying the points folks have made regarding her. I'll do this in a bit. 

 

3. My overall opinion of Darthe is that he's trying to assume a leadership role. I'm not a big fan of anyone trying to do this so early in the game unless it's a mod-confirmed IC lol.  

 

  

 

 

 

Sure technically a number and that number is 2 - you and Turin.

 

 

3 hours ago, Turin Turambar said:

Maybe, but probably not. I think a better question would be do you think I came to my conclusions in a false manner.

 

I know I'm town. If Darthe is a townie,  then I have to look hard at people staying on the periphery look to exploit the carnage.

 

3 hours ago, Turin Turambar said:

You're the one talking about posting in your wolf chat, lol.

 

I'm town. How about you?

 

Okay, see, I hate the multi "I'm town".  It just looks wolfy to me, in a "if I say this enough maybe they will believe me" kind of way, which maybe stems back to the meta-reading Turin as wolfy thing that I have. That being said, rereading Turin and he seems to be very actively trying to solve the game, so for now I feel like it's possibly just a difference in game play.

 

2 hours ago, Turin Turambar said:

Is this tying or team defense? He's trying to look reasonable asking for a specific sort of case. That is dismissive in that he is trying to say that only certain things are allowed to be suspicious. Anything can be suspicious. 

 

I'm suspicious of Key in part because she came at me with weak arguments including the  fallback that she "always sees Turin as wolfy" which was based on years gone by meta apparently. Then her stance that she didn't just disagree with me about Zander and his reveal, but that my position had no merit at all. Like in no universe should that be questioned. And the weird interaction with DPR. She said he was talking mechanics,  he called her out that it wasn't, she replied semantics,  like that was a trump card. It's moving goal posts.

 

This is a misrep.  I didn't say it had no merit.   I said to me it's weird that y'all are questioning why he revealed when he did because it seems totally in line with Z's personality and play style.  

Evenin' all,

 

Here's where I'm at, for now

 

Zander

 

Dice/Seph/DPR/Verb

 

Gud/Darthe/Hallia/Key/Turin

 

 

Gud -  Null with a side of fwiw her re-entry and response style is striking similar vibes to last game, and she's moving up with the recent spate of posting. 

 

Darthe - Impossible today, for me.  

 

Key - Read her re-entry tone as wide-scope and focused/shooting from the hip more than 'forced'. Her early pokes at Seph about buddying Zander felt similar. Interactions with Hallia seemed the most serious to me, with CAPS and emphasis that Hallia was 'twisting' things.

Her liking DPR for asking Gud about earlier games was -thin, her initial response to DPR's points was ok. Her Turin focus hinges mostly on his interactions with Gud, his interaction with me. Don't hate that for now, except for .

Saying that Gud and I could be 'W/T OR T/W, but not on the same team' looks the worst to me atp, being a double-sided absolute I can't fathom from a Town perspective.

 

Hallia - Need moar Halleh ❤️

Re Wolves in Darthe/Gud/Seph/Dice because of 'pre-reveal' stuff, I'd disagree that Gud/Seph/Dice poked Z. No mention of me/Turin/Verb. 

 

 

Turin - Shifted to lower end of null with reads list, particularly wrt the 'Hallia kinda the same as Cass'. 

 

@Turin Turambar - re: meta reads, they just happen sometimes 🤷‍♀️, best I got for you is that I'm trying to read the game and make sure I'm seeing what I'm seeing and not just what I think I will see.

@Cass  - Please explain how you have a town read on dice? 

18 hours ago, Turin Turambar said:

Cass makes me nervous because she has been the only one.really defending means that always.makes me nervous. I'm town, but she doesn't  know.  I think her reasoning makes sense but it always causes me trepidation. 

 

Hallia kinda the same as Cass.

 

9 hours ago, Turin Turambar said:

Cause I didn't do that from notes, and I didn't feel like typing the same thing I just had twice. I made that post off the cuff after having reread the thread. I did not even remember to put Verb on it so you can be pretty sure there were no notes. 

 

My opinion was you did defend my stance on whatever it was at the time. Oh yeah, Zander revealing so early. I still maintain that it would have been tactically superior to wait. People can disagree if they want. Regardless,  it is done and here we are. 

 

Just got thru morning breakfast and boy off to school so gonna look back at last night and make a bit of what some will think.is a crazy argument. 

 

Current thoughts on Hallia?

5 hours ago, Darthe said:

Ok so I held off on responding to Cass through that.  @cass I talked earlier in the thread about my read when I voted him I think, should’ve had to do with the last sentence of the post I quoted.  I also answered above.  
 

That said… this reeks of offensive defense.   Whats he done that you are so confident in your read of him that you can question me off of it?

 

All I was questioning was your progression and how you read him/why.

 

That's independent of my thoughts on him there - Turin had done nothing I'd be confident seeing/saying was AI at all, or anything over Null-Town - with the 'Town' part at that point being I wasn't feeling the thread twisting feeling I felt along with the fun lolol-tinfoil posts towards the end of last game.

Cass, can I ask what you liked on guds recent posts?

9 minutes ago, seph said:

Cass, can I ask what you liked on guds recent posts?

Im curious about this as well. Verb called Gud out for faking - anyone else seeing that?

1 hour ago, keyholder21 said:

@Cass  - Please explain how you have a town read on dice? 

 

Not much more to say than what I already have atp, sorry Key. Hoping he comes back and gives us more Dice! thoughts in the morning though.

2 hours ago, seph said:

It means nothing for hallia and verb

 

But why? Dice was also a low to null contributor and left out of her list, so if she flips wolf, that could be an interesting slip.

 

2 hours ago, DPR said:

I’ve rr’d Key’s posts. A lot of posts are restating the obvious. Some are pushing old game traits like “wolfy Turin” or tying me to mechanics. She does some skittering to stay in neutral territory. I don’t feel any better about her. 
 

I’m gonna say there is at least 1 🐺 in 

Key/Hallia/Darthe

 

Nah dawg pirate, I think you need to reread again :P.  

 

I do agree with Hallia being wolfy rn though. Darthe....I feel like his "all over the place" would be really sloppy for a seasoned wolf and I don't remember him doing that in the past (Sorry for my meta reference Turin :P).  He's also poking and prodding at people, which is protown atp to me, albeit messy.   

 

Spoiler

FWIW, I hate that I have a townread on him.  Much more fun to kill darthe lol.

 

 

2 hours ago, Verbal32 said:

 

We actually weren't discussing him specifically - I was just pointing out things I agree and disagreed with Turin on.

 

When new players ask questions I think they already know the answer to, it makes me nervous.  As in "feigning ignorance".  Hard to tell when the real ignorance ends and the feigning begins.

 

She would be quite skilled for that with only 2 games under her belt.

3 minutes ago, Cass said:

 

Not much more to say than what I already have atp, sorry Key. Hoping he comes back and gives us more Dice! thoughts in the morning though.

 

But what have you said?

23 minutes ago, seph said:

Cass, can I ask what you liked on guds recent posts?

 

Mostly tone tbh - and this with the caveat I'm skimming/trying to keep up. FWIW reading it as more similar to last games than earlier. 

 

12 minutes ago, DPR said:

Im curious about this as well. Verb called Gud out for faking - anyone else seeing that?

 

I saw it, and don't hate it/not sure what to make of it atp. 

Turin addressing her as Gudrean, in response to her asking about Darthe as thread leader made me o.O/XD

 

Aiming for some shut-eye now, night all / glgl!

About to be teaching for a few hours, but I like Gud this morning too, FWIW. I don't feel like new wolf would have such easy exchanges with players with strong reps like Verb and Turin. Waiting to see on her catchup list though. 

I'm going to each player to read their comments. Of course this won't include what the comment was to but just to get a base read on tone. 

 

Starting at the top of the list so first is @DPR

His comments have a nice even tone and he seems to be engaging where it's necessary with no fluff and asking questions where he needs clarity. My overall read of him so far has been Town.

18 hours ago, Darthe said:

Why?  If you disagree then explore that more or explain your stance better or something.  Isn’t that the game?

 

fwiw, I think this is NAI, just generally chatting about the philosophy of it

didn't feel like it would be productive at that time, i'm happy to

2 hours ago, Cass said:

 

 

Current thoughts on Hallia?

I don't remember anything new. I've been kinda busy, lol 

Official Vote Count

 

DARTHE - 3 (Dice, Turin, DPR)

TURIN - 1  (Darthe)

 

Not Voting: Cass, Gudrean, Hallia, Key, Seph, Verbal, Zander

 

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2 hours ago, keyholder21 said:

@Turin Turambar - re: meta reads, they just happen sometimes 🤷‍♀️, best I got for you is that I'm trying to read the game and make sure I'm seeing what I'm seeing and not just what I think I will see.

Fair enough. I don't do the whole they did this so if do this other thing then hence baguette. I can barely focus on the game I'm in. 

 

Same for the "weird" situation. I was under the impression that you were substituting for another word. My bad. 

 

I won't stop saying  I'm town. So if you want me to stop...

Next on the list was me so obs skipping that.

 

3rd is @Darthe

 

He starts out funny and lighthearted just catching up with friends.  After the serious stuff starts he seems engaged and interested in finding a core town team. Has a few back and forths with a few members namely Turin and myself. With Turin it seems like they are discussing Zander a bit and then personal choices on topics/styles worth discussing. With me he is questioning my involvement a bit and asking for more infos. 

 

He mostly seems to be asking people's opinions a lot and trying to work out the town core. Seems to have a few people on that town team and is searching for wolf cues. From my limited experience this feels like a townie doing their due diligence while also having a few interactions with people answering their questions. Overall tone is funny/jokey but serious at times. 

 

 

Next is @Zander? and I'm so glad he is Lock Cleared as reading his pages would take fur everrrrr!

Next is @Verbal32 His list was short but sweet! He has a few laughs asks a few questions and makes a few comments about Zander's reveal and then has an interaction with me. Tone from what I can tell is very Verb. Only played one game with him but so far he's a man of few words unless necessary and keeps an even tone, doesn't sound defensive/annoyed and is mostly just waiting to see what unfolds to make some judgements. I know we can't all be town but so far he would sit in a town seat for me.

@keyholder21 is next. She's friendly, funny but does her homework. When tasked she gets the infos and when questioned she stands up for herself. I think she sounds defensive at times but only in the appropriate ways. Like I'm not standing for you calling me wolf! She feels Town to me or neutral at the least. Later I will do a more thorough cross reference with the parties she has replied to, to see what the whole picture looks like.

I think to do @Turin Turambar justice I might want to do read through this same way of the last 2 games I was in with him. So, to be cont. plus the reading is making me sleepy. Need a music breaky!

I can’t be the only one thinking this…