6 minutes ago, Turin Turambar said:

A couple of quick questions:

 

Zander,  which of these is a quantifiable statement?

1. I'm town

2. I'm the most villagery villager to ever village.

 

Cass, the last line of my quote that Darthe said was a threat, Who sang that in the play? ( I may have paraphrased)

 

Finally, I'm gonna break an unwritten rule maybe. In this closed setup game, who benefits more from not discussing setup/mechanics?

 

They're the same one is just true for one of us 

9 minutes ago, Turin Turambar said:

A couple of quick questions:

 

Zander,  which of these is a quantifiable statement?

1. I'm town

2. I'm the most villagery villager to ever village.

 

Cass, the last line of my quote that Darthe said was a threat, Who sang that in the play? ( I may have paraphrased)

 

Finally, I'm gonna break an unwritten rule maybe. In this closed setup game, who benefits more from not discussing setup/mechanics?

 

seriously if youre gonna be that blatant just claim ffs

re finishing the mangled MQ of Seph   i dont really have anything on Cass and Gud at this point.  Gud sounds like she has previous games.

 

I havent actually paid attention to cass much tbh

5 minutes ago, Turin Turambar said:

Zander, something about your play prior to revealing, you can't act sketchy and then behave like people were wrong for responding to you acting sketchy.

 

 

 

No see that's a lie.  I'm not sussing you for finding me sketchy.  In sussing you because, and you know exactly what in about to say and are pretending you don't, of 1 particular point.  You suss me for something you yourself are doing (That alone is Wolfy AF). But what's even worse (which is crazy because the prior is bad enough) is the fact that YOU KNOW I LITERALLY DO IT EVERY SINGLE GAME (and not including the last 10 years or so give or take, the last 3 games since we've all been back I've been Town but even exclude occums razor you've played many games and saw me to do this as BOTH Alignments so it literally can't be ANYTHING ELSE but NAI. Yet you pushed me for it.  It's a bad play regardless but since I've been mod cleared you have to backtrack it and you can't because it was so blatantly nonsensical. Like you keep trying to shrug it off and avoid it then double down on it.   

On 4/1/2025 at 10:15 AM, Darthe said:

Wolfy

 

On 4/1/2025 at 10:16 AM, Darthe said:

🙂 couldn’t resist sorry

 

ok so were you being serious or not?  if so why and how?  if not, work on your delivery 😄 

On 4/1/2025 at 11:00 AM, seph said:

 

Thank the engineers I have worked with for the last three years lol.

 

Ive been working in an engineering firm for the last 5 1/2   What are you doing?

7 minutes ago, dicetosser1 said:

re finishing the mangled MQ of Seph   i dont really have anything on Cass and Gud at this point.  Gud sounds like she has previous games.

 

I havent actually paid attention to cass much tbh

 

Bold would you at least say you could understand why that might concern people?

 

Also Gud in more recent posts has sounded somewhat similar but definitely not out of the gate.  And when you lol told everyone not to listen to my read on her, logic would be only if I was Town reading her based on pocket and such you mentioned but if I thought she was a Wolf and you know 100% I'm town why tell everyone to dismiss me?  Not saying it is but it has vibes of whiteknighting?  Talk me through this if you don't mind.  In struggling to read you Town yet and in case I'm wrong like last game.  Let's work together and not repeat the crapshoot of last game eh bro?  

 

Lololololol 

8 hours ago, Darthe said:

Oh my god multiquoting sucks on a phone.  I have 4 things here and it’s gonna be the most important points I’ve made so far in the game.  No more need to talk to Turin, so ima talk to the rest of you who aren’t voting him yet.  Pay attention.

 

1) This is the least substantial but they’re in order of the responses to the above.  The pedantry between theme and mechanics is utterly meaningless post padding.

 

2) Turin has claimed things are a mafia scheme multiple times in this game.  Here, he’d like you to think a snap read in one game means I should have one in another game or my read is null.  That’s not how reads work, or the game, or wolfing for that matter.  Why is such an experienced player using such a fallacy?

 

3) Both Key and Turin have made the point that sentences are crafted… which is a total nonpoint.  I didn’t think I needed to be so specific as to say that the method in which he is crafting them seems contrived.  I expect that to be a point Turin argues but key also thinking it worries me that it is NAI.  No clue how someone interprets that in critiquing the structure of the English language but you get what it saying here.

 

4) I don’t have time or really the ability via phone to go back and do a post quote case against Turin, but does anyone feel kind enough to grab his posts between the Z reveal and the end of that day?  The question to ask yourself is why is he angry?  Quite my posts too for context please, there’s no reason for how fired up he’s gotten.

 

5) bonus: that last sentence is a straight up threat and I’ve no idea why no one ever mentioned it.

 

 

I’m not, though Turin said I was. I’ve been posting while I could and now you’re gonna see less of me.  

 

by your own internal logic if I’m town I’m gonna get killed, which is prob true, but crossing that narrative gap would undermine the push wouldn’t it?

 

Can we talk about how this post is only ever beneficial for W Turin?  I don’t even mean to tunnel here, but think about it in my situation.

 

 

There’s basically no pressure on him, you don’t gotta bus yet.
 

Fascinating that Z picked up on this later, so ima leave it alone cause it’s hard to delete.

 

 

this may be Gud first W game, that “it prolly sucked” line looks forced.  Following up on it is awkward too. 
 

100%

 

literally been dealing with this for like 20 pages off of a light w read.  It’s become the core of my read, just in his responses.

 

 

in other news if sephs a wolf ima just lose I guess, and DPR and verb are still totally null.  Really thought they’d both be more engaged by now.

Is there any way you could nutshell this so that it makes some kind of sense? Not being sarcastic here, 

 

6 hours ago, Cass said:

 

Vote: Turin

Darthe's WoT and the interaction between the two hurts my head, but so far I think there's more in favour of keeping Darthe around D1 here. 

 

Did a double take here. Is this a “sounds good to me” post, or a “I can’t take it anymore” post?
 

The vote choices are not mutually exclusive, nor is either in any real danger, so I’m confused why you make it sound like it’s only a choice between Turin or Darthe and then state that you think it’s better to keep Darthe? Please, what is the logic here? 

 

1 hour ago, Zander? said:

 

 

I have 2 World Views and they both kinda hinge on a Turin flip lol.

You got any thoughts on Darthe’s post? 

 

33 minutes ago, dicetosser1 said:

 

Ok so ive just read your post where you talk about her post. glossing over seph, lots on gud etc.

 

Can you tell me where/how you find it sounds forced?

 

 

Its not like it was hard to catch. I did as soon as i saw it  shrug

So far, you’re doing a great job as the diceslanker. The old “I’m trying to catch up!” routine, while asking questions that have already been answered isn’t gonna cut it. 

 

12 minutes ago, Turin Turambar said:

A couple of quick questions:

 

Zander,  which of these is a quantifiable statement?

1. I'm town

2. I'm the most villagery villager to ever village.

 

Cass, the last line of my quote that Darthe said was a threat, Who sang that in the play? ( I may have paraphrased)

 

Finally, I'm gonna break an unwritten rule maybe. In this closed setup game, who benefits more from not discussing setup/mechanics?

If this isn’t a PR, I’m going to vote for you on d1 forever, no matter what. 

@DPR

 

I don't think Turin and Darthe are W/W in not 100% on it just where im at atp 

 

I think the least likely of any combo of them is T/T again not 100% just like prior based on my takes of their individual gameplay and their interactions.

 

I think atp W/T is where I'm at.

 

TLDR I think ones likely a Wolf.... Turin has been Wolfier to me tho if he were to flip Town I'm likely going Darthe Day 2 atp barring flips, Wagonomics etc.

5 minutes ago, Zander? said:

 

Bold would you at least say you could understand why that might concern people?

 

Also Gud in more recent posts has sounded somewhat similar but definitely not out of the gate.  And when you lol told everyone not to listen to my read on her, logic would be only if I was Town reading her based on pocket and such you mentioned but if I thought she was a Wolf and you know 100% I'm town why tell everyone to dismiss me?  Not saying it is but it has vibes of whiteknighting?  Talk me through this if you don't mind.  In struggling to read you Town yet and in case I'm wrong like last game.  Let's work together and not repeat the crapshoot of last game eh bro?  

 

Lololololol 

 

Yep I can but im catching up and shes just not really standing out. Part is shes not been here much but part is theres louder voices im trying to pay attention to.

 

3 minutes ago, DPR said:

 

 

So far, you’re doing a great job as the diceslanker. The old “I’m trying to catch up!” routine, while asking questions that have already been answered isn’t gonna cut it. 

 

 

 

Im not slanking. Ive been sitting here playing catch up and posting for the last hour and a half.

 

Dont like it? I dont care.

 

My questions have already been answered? so answer again. Its not that hard. I want to hear you answer ME so i can try and get a read on your tone, so i get an answer that tells me an answer to whats in MY head about the thing, not whats in someone elses. I want to have conversation with you not just listen in as you tell other people.

2 things.

 

1. There are many beautiful colours to choose from when highlighting things in your posts. I am this Blue. Shad is Teal. Votes are red.

 

Pick a different colour lol

 

2. Please refer to the last rule in the OPs

Here we go. Thus is gonna be long so I'm gonna spoiler each section. This is my internal speculation. Do what you want.

THEME

Spoiler

This game is based on the splay Hamilton,  which chronicles events in the life of Alexander  Hamilton.  Italsoshows some of the politics of the founding of the USA. There were two main views, those that wanted strong federal government including a banking system (the Federalists), and those that wanted more power to remain in the states (the Repub/Democrats). Hamilton was a Federalist. 

CHARACTERS 

Spoiler

The characters are mostly distinguishable by how they interact with Hamilton, not necessarily how they are viewed by history. Town characters are likely to include:

Alexander  Hamilton 

Phillip Hamilton (confirmed  IC)

Eliza Hamilton 

Angelica Schuyler

George Washington

Layfaette

Hercules Mulligan

John Lauren's

Peggy Schuyler???

 

There will probably be some others minor characters moved to town so that some of the bigger ones are available as fakes. 

 

Potential mafia people's

Aaron Burr

The King????

The Bullet 

James Madison(technically a Federalist he is shown assisting Jefferson in the play)

Thomas Jefferson

Maria Reynolds

 

Now bear in mind anyone COULD be either side. This is.my speculation. Name claims are worthless imo.

SETUP/MECHANICS 

Spoiler

All we.know is that this is a closed setup(we have no information) other than there will be alot of roles. Like nearly everyone or possibly literally everyone has a role with an action. My speculation is that if town has great power then mafia will as well. Additionally, mafia will see how there roles interact and what the likely town roles are in order for them to use their roles as an effective counter.

Spoiler

Might need to recraft that sentence, lol.

I understand we can't mass claim,  I would argue we don't even claim under pressure ( I'm not gonna). My view is every townie has a role so if we claim in order to remove pressure, it just opens up more roles to being countered. For the record my hint was more because I thought it was funny and appropriate. I expect it to be taken with about a cup of salt. 

 

In any case, I had the idea that one of the town investigative roles could be Lie Detector. I got this when Key was arguing that saying I was town was wolfy. I thought if mafia knew there might be a LD out there, they might be nervous about dropping an "I'm town" in general conversation (if they aren't a Silvertongue). So I continued and even amplified the line. Hoping someone in the town would understand. Maybe I'm wrong and just bad. I thought it was worth a shot.

 

 

 

@Turin Turambar

 

If name claims are worthless in your opinion, why breadcrumb? and dont think i havent noticed you talking about fake claims at least twice.

 

The LD bit  how does making the mafia nervous to say that their  town HELP town?

5 minutes ago, dicetosser1 said:

@Turin Turambar

 

If name claims are worthless in your opinion, why breadcrumb? and dont think i havent noticed you talking about fake claims at least twice.

 

The LD bit  how does making the mafia nervous to say that their  town HELP town?

I said I only did it because I thought it funny. And to see if anyone was paying attention. 

 

Anything to distress mafia is good no?

 

Was gonna look to see who all had dropped a random. "I'm town" in while talking but tbh I just can't be bothered now.

I kinda want a nap.

So Dice,  what you think of how Cass voted? Good reasoning?

18 minutes ago, Turin Turambar said:

Here we go. Thus is gonna be long so I'm gonna spoiler each section. This is my internal speculation. Do what you want.

THEME

  Reveal hidden contents

This game is based on the splay Hamilton,  which chronicles events in the life of Alexander  Hamilton.  Italsoshows some of the politics of the founding of the USA. There were two main views, those that wanted strong federal government including a banking system (the Federalists), and those that wanted more power to remain in the states (the Repub/Democrats). Hamilton was a Federalist. 

CHARACTERS 

  Reveal hidden contents

The characters are mostly distinguishable by how they interact with Hamilton, not necessarily how they are viewed by history. Town characters are likely to include:

Alexander  Hamilton 

Phillip Hamilton (confirmed  IC)

Eliza Hamilton 

Angelica Schuyler

George Washington

Layfaette

Hercules Mulligan

John Lauren's

Peggy Schuyler???

 

There will probably be some others minor characters moved to town so that some of the bigger ones are available as fakes. 

 

Potential mafia people's

Aaron Burr

The King????

The Bullet 

James Madison(technically a Federalist he is shown assisting Jefferson in the play)

Thomas Jefferson

Maria Reynolds

 

Now bear in mind anyone COULD be either side. This is.my speculation. Name claims are worthless imo.

SETUP/MECHANICS 

  Reveal hidden contents

All we.know is that this is a closed setup(we have no information) other than there will be alot of roles. Like nearly everyone or possibly literally everyone has a role with an action. My speculation is that if town has great power then mafia will as well. Additionally, mafia will see how there roles interact and what the likely town roles are in order for them to use their roles as an effective counter.

  Reveal hidden contents

Might need to recraft that sentence, lol.

I understand we can't mass claim,  I would argue we don't even claim under pressure ( I'm not gonna). My view is every townie has a role so if we claim in order to remove pressure, it just opens up more roles to being countered. For the record my hint was more because I thought it was funny and appropriate. I expect it to be taken with about a cup of salt. 

 

In any case, I had the idea that one of the town investigative roles could be Lie Detector. I got this when Key was arguing that saying I was town was wolfy. I thought if mafia knew there might be a LD out there, they might be nervous about dropping an "I'm town" in general conversation (if they aren't a Silvertongue). So I continued and even amplified the line. Hoping someone in the town would understand. Maybe I'm wrong and just bad. I thought it was worth a shot.

 

 

 

 

 

4 minutes ago, Turin Turambar said:

I said I only did it because I thought it funny. And to see if anyone was paying attention. 

 

Anything to distress mafia is good no?

 

Was gonna look to see who all had dropped a random. "I'm town" in while talking but tbh I just can't be bothered now.

I kinda want a nap.

 

Wolfing back to back is tiring eh Turin LOLOLOLOL 

11 minutes ago, dicetosser1 said:

@Turin Turambar

 

If name claims are worthless in your opinion, why breadcrumb? and dont think i havent noticed you talking about fake claims at least twice.

 

The LD bit  how does making the mafia nervous to say that their  town HELP town?

Oh more onthe last part. It reminds town that they can say it freely. They know it won't catch them out. It also dissuades mafia from trying it. There is a flow to the sentence "I know I'm town, but I don't know if you are...". Look for where it would be used and see if something else is inserted instead.

#mytwocents

2 minutes ago, Zander? said:

 

Wolfing back to back is tiring eh Turin LOLOLOLOL 

Wouldn't know. Hasn't happened. 

1 hour ago, Zander? said:

@DPR

 

I don't think Turin and Darthe are W/W in not 100% on it just where im at atp 

 

I think the least likely of any combo of them is T/T again not 100% just like prior based on my takes of their individual gameplay and their interactions.

 

I think atp W/T is where I'm at.

 

TLDR I think ones likely a Wolf.... Turin has been Wolfier to me tho if he were to flip Town I'm likely going Darthe Day 2 atp barring flips, Wagonomics etc.

Okay. Did Darthe’s long post make sense to you? 

53 minutes ago, Turin Turambar said:

Here we go. Thus is gonna be long so I'm gonna spoiler each section. This is my internal speculation. Do what you want.

THEME

  Hide contents

This game is based on the splay Hamilton,  which chronicles events in the life of Alexander  Hamilton.  Italsoshows some of the politics of the founding of the USA. There were two main views, those that wanted strong federal government including a banking system (the Federalists), and those that wanted more power to remain in the states (the Repub/Democrats). Hamilton was a Federalist. 

CHARACTERS 

  Hide contents

The characters are mostly distinguishable by how they interact with Hamilton, not necessarily how they are viewed by history. Town characters are likely to include:

Alexander  Hamilton 

Phillip Hamilton (confirmed  IC)

Eliza Hamilton 

Angelica Schuyler

George Washington

Layfaette

Hercules Mulligan

John Lauren's

Peggy Schuyler???

 

There will probably be some others minor characters moved to town so that some of the bigger ones are available as fakes. 

 

Potential mafia people's

Aaron Burr

The King????

The Bullet 

James Madison(technically a Federalist he is shown assisting Jefferson in the play)

Thomas Jefferson

Maria Reynolds

 

Now bear in mind anyone COULD be either side. This is.my speculation. Name claims are worthless imo.

SETUP/MECHANICS 

  Hide contents

All we.know is that this is a closed setup(we have no information) other than there will be alot of roles. Like nearly everyone or possibly literally everyone has a role with an action. My speculation is that if town has great power then mafia will as well. Additionally, mafia will see how there roles interact and what the likely town roles are in order for them to use their roles as an effective counter.

  Reveal hidden contents

Might need to recraft that sentence, lol.

I understand we can't mass claim,  I would argue we don't even claim under pressure ( I'm not gonna). My view is every townie has a role so if we claim in order to remove pressure, it just opens up more roles to being countered. For the record my hint was more because I thought it was funny and appropriate. I expect it to be taken with about a cup of salt. 

 

In any case, I had the idea that one of the town investigative roles could be Lie Detector. I got this when Key was arguing that saying I was town was wolfy. I thought if mafia knew there might be a LD out there, they might be nervous about dropping an "I'm town" in general conversation (if they aren't a Silvertongue). So I continued and even amplified the line. Hoping someone in the town would understand. Maybe I'm wrong and just bad. I thought it was worth a shot.

 

 

 

your hint line refers to a person connected to cherries!

28 minutes ago, Turin Turambar said:

Wouldn't know. Hasn't happened. 

ask @Cairos LMAO love you man!!!

1 hour ago, dicetosser1 said:

 

Yep I can but im catching up and shes just not really standing out. Part is shes not been here much but part is theres louder voices im trying to pay attention to.

 

 

Im not slanking. Ive been sitting here playing catch up and posting for the last hour and a half.

 

Dont like it? I dont care.

 

My questions have already been answered? so answer again. Its not that hard. I want to hear you answer ME so i can try and get a read on your tone, so i get an answer that tells me an answer to whats in MY head about the thing, not whats in someone elses. I want to have conversation with you not just listen in as you tell other people.

This is low-effort nonsense from you. 

I figured it out - should have caught it earlier. Half of this game is on gummies.