Zander,  ask yourself who is "the town"?

You will find enlightenment. 

 

On 4/2/2025 at 8:04 AM, Gudrean said:

I actually do not, that's why earlier in the game I asked if there were goodguys/badguys in the play or if it was a perspective thing since in the history of US it's kind of a which perspective you're seeing it from thing.

 

Did you not read up on the theme you signed up for?????? I feel like we were given a clue to this in our PMs, not that I'm trying to game the mod, just going off of what was in mine.

 

On 4/2/2025 at 8:07 AM, seph said:

I can't stay away apparently lol. Sorry about the barrage of questions but I need to really clear you if I can.

Gudrean, what are your thoughts of DPR's recent posts, about Cass's entrance a few pages back, and if you had to choose one of the three with votes, who is the one you would trust the least?
Would I ever be able to convince you to vote DPR with me?

 

I like the references back to DPR and Cass because they are sitting low for me atm, but, the "I need to really clear you if I can" has weird vibes to me.  Like, obviously?  

 

On 4/2/2025 at 8:21 AM, Gudrean said:

Which three are you referring to? the 3 currently with votes? Yes I will look back at both DPR's post and his referencing of Cass. 

 

Townie, or at least not on a team with them, imo. Easier to just off the cuff spout out one of the vote getters.  Also forces her to look at (or be raked over the coals for not) DPR and Cass.  Admittedly, this is colored by the fact that I think they are both sketchy.

 

On 4/2/2025 at 8:34 AM, Gudrean said:

If the current 3 were my only options prolly Turin but only because I haven't had a chance to do his reread or go back and look at all that Cass has said. I'm trying not to let past game mech color my choices but I voted Cass last game and she was town, it made me sad lol  But Turin, without a full reread feels like he's town defensive and not wolf defensive, you know what I mean?

 

Bold - the worst reason not to vote for someone. Does new scum off this up on a platter, esp when Cass currently has a vote on her?  Meaning, if she does get the full train and is lynched and turns up wolf, this immediately makes Gud super sus.

 

On 4/2/2025 at 8:44 AM, seph said:

I have some posts I plan on referencing at some point when I have time. 

 

Not going to lie, this game I have had trouble seeing you react in real time in a genuine manner. Your re-read posts are a + for effort but I think it's a majority of your actual gameplay.

 

I do plan on reading your interactions again day two, but right now I just want thoughts on the game, any thoughts that don't involve a reread. We are trying to solve a game and I am just missing that wolf hunting attitude. 

 

P.s. I hope my reread proves me wrong as it's easy to miss things when a thread gets this large and active. 

I know I have bugged you alot this game but if you are town I would love to see you be more proactive, than reactive.

 

 

Weak reason to sus, imo, but maybe that's cause I do rereads and that's how I play the game too.

 

On 4/2/2025 at 8:57 AM, seph said:

Cass in general tbh. She had a string of reads a little while back and a post when she voted.

I also wanna say in my wall of text to you, genuine was the wrong word it use. (unless you are just a wolf)
Tone was off, it was hard seeing you trying to solve the game etc etc.

P.s. I think Dice is probably town

 

But why do you think this? 

 

On 4/2/2025 at 9:00 AM, seph said:

I will do a re-read of you tonight and we can talk it out boo. I want as many people's thoughts in your direction though. I have you low on my list and everyone has you as town. 
You have ignored most of my pokes towards you and I just have my tinfoil theory stuck in my head atm.

 

Not true.

 

On 4/2/2025 at 9:23 AM, Turin Turambar said:

I don't know Gudrean's alignment this game, but I think your approach here is wrong. You want her to fit into your view of how to play. Everyone gets to play their own way. Some people don't ask a.bunch of.questions themselves.  They just listen and interpret the interactions of other people and draw conclusions from that. I get you want.to see someone act the same way you are cause that's easy. It's not always gonna happen that way.

This feels like a bad reason to suss someone. An easy excuse. Again, just my 2 pence, lol.

 

On 4/2/2025 at 9:25 AM, seph said:

She asked me what I view this is Turin, so no I gave my opinion and state that it is even done differently by everyone. 
None of what I posted in this post was really ever talked about in why I sussed her. A bit of a misrep

 

I don't really like this exchange, but I can't put my finger on why?  Like, it just feels bad man and I know that's not really that helpful.

 

On 4/2/2025 at 9:42 AM, Gudrean said:

I really need to get to my Turin read so I'll be back in a few days....j/k in a few 😁

 

LOL, that's how I feel with this catch up.  I see like at least 5 more pages since I started it.  

Okay, I have to eat something before I teach at 12:30.  I'll be hit or miss for a few hours, but I'll pop in to continue this when I can. I promise to be fully caught up and giving my current thoughts before I go to bed tonight.  

14 minutes ago, Turin Turambar said:

Lolololololololol

Oh noes!! We can't possibly multi task. This screams you know I'm not gonna flip mafia and you’re doing pre damage control.

You just need to stop lol 

7 minutes ago, Turin Turambar said:

Lunch? I mean it is 12:46 my time so lunch is a good answer!

wait why is turin the top wagon

 

stupid meetings

 

stupid 55 pages

 

*grumble*

55 minutes ago, DPR said:

My vote on Turin is based simply on the fact that he has been WAY too emotional about the game and spread WIFOM like confetti on New Year’s Eve. Regardless of how he plays, he’s been in enough games to know it’s bad for the Town - look how much time we’ve already had to spend discussing it. 
 

Im not in favor of meta replacing the obvious. 

on its face this is a horrible reason to vote someone

 

SO MUCH SO

 

I'ma

 

Vote: DPR

Official Vote Count

 

DARTHE - 1 (Turin)

TURIN - 3  (Cass, Zander, DPR)

CASS - 1 (Darthe)

DPR- 2 (Seph, Hallia)

 

Not Voting: Gudrean, Key, Verbal, Dice

 

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21 minutes ago, Hallia said:

on its face this is a horrible reason to vote someone

 

SO MUCH SO

 

I'ma

 

Vote: DPR

Huh. Here I saw it as a really good reason to vote. 

I’ve been away for a while - is WIFOM a good thing now? Are we all supposed to weave the theme into the gameplay now and hint at each other? Or go emo on d1 for no apparent reason over arguments with confirmed townies? 
 

This is a terrible post and vote. 

 

HOW DARE YOU PEOPLE ABBREVIATE THE TITLE I WORKED SO SAMN HARD TO EARN!!!!! AND NOT ONLY THAT ABBREVIATE IT INCORRECTLY!!!!!!

 

ZANDER AKA THE MOST VILLAGERY VILLAGER TO EVER VILLAGE!!!!!

2 hours ago, Gudrean said:

if only we could all get mod cleared, must be nice

 

When you're The Most Villagery Villager To Ever Rand.Org just knows!!!!!!   Lololololol

2 hours ago, seph said:

I feel like you are, Or apparently I am?
I Feel confident with how I described his play earlier though.

 

Maybe I misinterpreted it?  What's you read on Darthe again?

7 minutes ago, Zander? said:

HOW DARE YOU PEOPLE ABBREVIATE THE TITLE I WORKED SO SAMN HARD TO EARN!!!!! AND NOT ONLY THAT ABBREVIATE IT INCORRECTLY!!!!!!

 

ZANDER AKA THE MOST VILLAGERY VILLAGER TO EVER VILLAGE!!!!!

ZATMVVTEV!

9 minutes ago, Zander? said:

 

Maybe I misinterpreted it?  What's you read on Darthe again?

Strong town

27 minutes ago, DPR said:

Huh. Here I saw it as a really good reason to vote. 

I’ve been away for a while - is WIFOM a good thing now? Are we all supposed to weave the theme into the gameplay now and hint at each other? Or go emo on d1 for no apparent reason over arguments with confirmed townies? 
 

This is a terrible post and vote. 

 

I play somewhere else for the most part now so maybe I've changed, but i don't think emotion is a reason to vote someone; it isn't alignment indicative imo

 

long hair don't care

UNVOTE 

VOTE DPR 

 

If you know, you know.  DPR doesn't know.  So he's got to go.

Official Vote Count

 

TURIN - 3  (Cass, Zander, DPR)

CASS - 1 (Darthe)

DPR- 3 (Seph, Hallia, Turin)

 

Not Voting: Gudrean, Key, Verbal, Dice

 

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2 hours ago, keyholder21 said:

Did you not read up on the theme you signed up for?????? I feel like we were given a clue to this in our PMs, not that I'm trying to game the mod, just going off of what was in mine.

 

I know this wasn't at me, but I can say I did not read up on it.  Theme = flavor, unless the mod says otherwise.  And the mod has not said otherwise.

 

TBH any discussion on this topic is meh at best and gaming the mod at worst.  Or to put it in the terms of the new gen peeps, "angleshooty".

Not sure I like DPR as the counterwagon here.  I'd prefer one of my top 2, but I don't think I'm getting that.

 

TURIN - 3  (Cass, Zander, DPR)

CASS - 1 (Darthe)

DPR- 3 (Seph, Hallia, Turin)

 

Not starting a new wagon here, and not voting Cass for reasons already provided.  Also not DPR as I mentioned above - seph is in my top 2, and Turin has pretty much done what I did last game and painted a target on himself (for better or for worse).  I don't have much of a read on Hallia yet, other than not liking the quick DPR vote without what I feel is a solid reason.  That maybe links her with Turin if he flips scum.

 

I'm willing to see if somebody says something ridiculous and outs themselves first, though.

4 minutes ago, Verbal32 said:

Not sure I like DPR as the counterwagon here.  I'd prefer one of my top 2, but I don't think I'm getting that.

 

TURIN - 3  (Cass, Zander, DPR)

CASS - 1 (Darthe)

DPR- 3 (Seph, Hallia, Turin)

 

Not starting a new wagon here, and not voting Cass for reasons already provided.  Also not DPR as I mentioned above - seph is in my top 2, and Turin has pretty much done what I did last game and painted a target on himself (for better or for worse).  I don't have much of a read on Hallia yet, other than not liking the quick DPR vote without what I feel is a solid reason.  That maybe links her with Turin if he flips scum.

 

I'm willing to see if somebody says something ridiculous and outs themselves first, though.

I ain't never flipping mafia. You sound like you know that too with the painted a target line.

DPR made a bad vote if town. You don't lynch because of frustration.  He said emo. I think you will admit I was nowhere near the mental breaks that occurred previously. 

18 minutes ago, Turin Turambar said:

I ain't never flipping mafia. You sound like you know that too with the painted a target line.

DPR made a bad vote if town. You don't lynch because of frustration.  He said emo. I think you will admit I was nowhere near the mental breaks that occurred previously. 

 

lol

1 hour ago, Verbal32 said:

 

 

I know this wasn't at me, but I can say I did not read up on it.  Theme = flavor, unless the mod says otherwise.  And the mod has not said otherwise.

 

TBH any discussion on this topic is meh at best and gaming the mod at worst.  Or to put it in the terms of the new gen peeps, "angleshooty".

agreed;

 

who are your top two that you mention

Back between classes, so trudging on...

 

On 4/2/2025 at 10:18 AM, Gudrean said:

ok so Turin - I looked at past games to get a better idea of his "meta", at least more recently.

 

In game 1 with him he was town. He had told us he was pulling back on being what some might think is mean. He was active but not super spammy.

He did have the usual "your a wolf" thing with Zander which filled some pages. 

He was helpful in pointing out wolfy behavior and of course answering a LOT of questions from me.

He was right about several scum.

Wasn't very defensive except when dealing with Zander but did have some back and forths with Heavy and Lenlo but par for the game I suppose.

 

Game 2 He was mafia. In this game he was very helpful towards people who ended up being town, except the ones who were lunched of course lololol

Basically the same types of asking questions and trying to solve interactions. I feel like the only difference is when he was wolf he was less defensive when put on question. Could just be me tho. And was very helpful to Heavy and I in the endgame which I didn't catch.

 

So far this game he's been slightly more riled up but I really think it's the Zander reveil and the villagey villager stuffs. Otherwise he's been hunting and answering questions. He's been friendly and helpful as well but it just doesn't have the same feel as the last game. It seems more like someone who is genuinely looking for answers. 

 

Again it could just be my limited experience.

I think atp he's town but reserve the right to change my mind with new infos.

 

@Gudrean - How are the bolded and underlined phrases any different?

 

On 4/2/2025 at 12:35 PM, Zander? said:

 

Ithi said straight up in the sign up or Mafia chat you didn't need to know i asked lolololol

 

Sure, but if you're playing in game with flavor, aren't you interested in at least knowing something about it because it could be helpful??? Or maybe I'm just crazy lol.

 

On 4/2/2025 at 1:03 PM, seph said:

I think the bolded should be answered carefully. I will answer wolf flips later but town flips should not be discussed unless in linking people like Darthe/Turing for you example. I am not trying to name people I think will give info for other I don't list to be targets.

I honestly believe Darthe is town though and I will advocate against his lynch.

 

Why?? Connection between other players in terms of who they've interacted with and how much they've interacted with them and what they said is part of the game.

 

On 4/2/2025 at 1:05 PM, Gudrean said:

Cass - most of first page was lighthearted friendly posts. She has a little exchange with Zander about placement of IC and asking him to not tunnel her this game. Dice was included in the request. Meaning she said go back and untunnel Dice and me.

Questioning folks like a townie would like darthe if he had turin trending up. promises Seph she's a villager, I think that's what Turin was asking people to do, so there's that.

She made a list of folks that were in her sus which seems normal to me at least. and even talks about where she's at with folks she's unsure about. Again all normal there. Notes that in one post Turin called me Gudrean instead of Gud. next post she votes Turin. Says Verb and DPR are posting when Darthe says they're not doing much. and says DPRs interaction with me seems townie. Wants to keep Darthe around at least for D1. 

 

and that's most of it. She seems engaging with chat and people, time permitting and hasn't had any defensive like posts. Seems pretty good to me. I know everyone can't be town but she isn't sounding wolf either. 

 

I think what I'm finding in doing these recaps is everyone sounds town at this point. 

 

So you aren't concerned with how little she's been here? Or why she's defending Verb and DPR, especially DPR?

 

On 4/2/2025 at 1:42 PM, Gudrean said:

Seph - To start the game He is friendly and just having a good time. Says he likes darthe, turin and zander. this is early on tho. Wants to go read turin's wolf game for reference. likes zanders wolf hunting and that darthe was questioning me. plans to reread the points made about Key. then has the repost issue. a lot lololol  Not sure who he was asking but wants to know what they think of the darthe turin thing, maybe DPR?  Then asks a bunch of us what we think of DPR  and the Turin/Darthe thing.

asks Cass about what she thinks of me post wise, thinks DPR might be wolfing, gives opinions about my earlier posting, asks me to look into Cass' posting and then asks me some other questions.

that's the jist of it. 

You already know what I'm gonna say, nothing super wolfy in there unless you guys see things I don't.

 

 

 

Dice - Dice has seemed to me the same way he has been in both of the last games, maybe less involvement but is that AI?

Prolly not.

 

 

That leaves Hallia.  Her list is also short. mostly just friendly chit chat at first. Mentions the zander reveal and then makes a quick list of a few folks that prolly include wolves.

feels ok about Seph.  responds to the talk about flavors in this game that could actually tie in and mentions people could use fake claims.

has a small interaction with I think Key? says Turin is her strongest town read outside of zander. That's it.

Again is her lite involvement AI? I don't know because she has a busy life too so could just be that. 

 

But have you seen how happy her avatar is? It makes me smile everytime I see it LOL

 

and that's everyone.

But so much more has been said by a lot of the people on the top of the list sooooo

 

 

 

With this wrap up, I again think Gud is town and not great (yet) at hunting - maybe just on D1.  Otherwise leaves her wide open for attack when someone does flip wolf and she's got all these sweet reasons for thinking they are town. Could she be a wolf capitalizing on being new? Sure.  Maybe I'm just putting too much of how I play on her, but I don't see how this is good for a wolf. 🤷‍♀️ 

 

21 hours ago, seph said:

Zander, are you telling me hallia is apart of your village?

 

You think her wolf game would be more involved? I'm about to Yolo a town read.

I can make would reads at the end of day 1 right?? Lol

 

 

I don't like this.  I know Z says he's good at reading Hally, but there is always a chance he's wrong. You should do your own reading and make your own decisions, imo. 

 

21 hours ago, dicetosser1 said:

 

Why not? And why does it for DPR?

 

 

@Turin Turambar  I assume this is what you were asking me about?

 

I agree with her about yours and Darthes interactions. 

 

second  shrug  Shes basically saying shes got Darthe as stronger Town then you.

 

overall?  I think it was kinda out of the blue and id expect more words explaining it from Cass but im not going to say i think shes wrong for voting you. Im tempted to because theres a bunch of stuff im not keen on like the big dig in to provide all those post of Zander when we are 40 pages in and hes been Mod Cleared for about 30 of them. I think Darthe came out of your back and forth looking better then you did.

 

Only reason i havent voted you is that im asking myself "would he do that as scum"  TBH the answer is probably YES but its still nagging me.

 

Sure, but don't you think it's odd of her to make it sound like it must be between just those two when we had well over a day before the vote at that point?

That was my own town read? Lol

It had nothing to do with zanders opinion of her

4 hours ago, seph said:

IS this who you're set to lynch today?

 

 

He's my Top choice ATM.  I'm not locked yet tho.  If I see a better choice I'm all ears.