10 hours ago, The_Watcher_And_Wanderer said:

Is this Juilin? I mean it’s a dark skinned man in a conical hat🤷

If not Juilin.........was that Jain Farstrider?!?! He....seems to know what is going on.

3 minutes ago, Vosha said:

 

Eh, Ishy had been partially sealed/free in the books for quite a while, right?  Also, there is a 0% chance that those are swords.  It's shocking that anyone would get that from the scene.  The blades look like spear blades and you can see the long handles. 

For what it is worth, if you go through frame by frame, there are sometimes spear shafts and sometimes not, and I’m guessing they couldn’t put them in for some of the moves that are impossible with actual spears.  Further, she wields them as swords, the one in her right hand often looks a bit like a curved scimitar, and in a couple frames it even looks like it has a crossguard and at one point a hand guard.  I’m not arguing that they were swords anymore, but they definitely botched the effects and choreography.  No matter what she was holding, she was sword fighting and if were to believe they were spears, we also need to then believe she’s completely incompetent with them and holds them high up the shaft near the blade and uses them with downward slices…

1 hour ago, king of nowhere said:

I wondered that about the books too.

How are the hunters supposed to recognize the actual horn?

Sure, it's supposed to have a writing on it, and i can bet you in every city you could buy a dozen "authentic" horns of valere

I always loved that notion in the books. It would be like trying to find one particular “I❤️NY” tshirt. 

Ok. I’m back to 5 out of 10. 
It happens pretty fast but she does fall asleep. And … there’s reasonable doubt that they’re fire spears. 
 

Still bothered that they Definitely Did have a fire spear through the chest in Sammael one moment and he’s fine the next and a Shaido slice Egwene and she’s fine the next moment … 

Lot of that kind of stuff makes my confidence that they’re gonna execute the battle of the Two Rivers well … not high. And that would be a major bummer cause I’m pretty sure if this season is a flop they’re done … 

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1 hour ago, wotfan4472 said:

If not Juilin.........was that Jain Farstrider?!?! He....seems to know what is going on.

Good thought, but he seems a bit young to be Jain/Noal. 

5 hours ago, Seaine's eyebrows said:

To be fair, neither could the author of the series 🤪

And to be fair they were just making out.  Has no one kissed their crush in a moment of passion?  I don't see how this of all things is unrealistic.  While we don't get to see it they have been together for 2-3 weeks.  Considering her reaction about the reveal of Mat and the Horn it is implied they have talked about it more than the single time shown.

Concerning the scene with Rand destroying Sammael without much thought.  I was watching the Dusty Wheel's vod of their aftershow and it seems there is whispering during the channeling scene.  Specifically it sounds like someone whispering Illyena.  So take that as you will.

30 minutes ago, The_Watcher_And_Wanderer said:

Good thought, but he seems a bit young to be Jain/Noal. 

And wasn’t Noal supposed to be really rough looking?  Like a crazy old man with a bunch of scars or something?  I don’t remember his description exactly.

 

Plus, I may be misremembering but didn’t one of the EF kids call Jain “she” at one point?  Don’t hold me to that one.

7 hours ago, Pandemonium said:

I liked how it didn't even look like Rand was trying to kill Sammael.  If it was really that easy for him, does he even need Sammael as a teacher?  

 

Loved the Hills of tanchico.  i actually like the show version of tanchico better the book version.  Whenever i re-read the books i am always rushing through that section with a little boredom.  it is funny to me that i like Elayne's singing better than thom's.  i never really liked his singing from the first season.

 

I'm loving how all the Forsaken and black ajah are scheming against each other and killing each other.  Amazing.  

 

For those that criticize Matt for finding the bracelet that easily-- this is what a ta'veren does.  The show didn't explain it that well, but thom did mention how Rand and Matt were tugging at the pattern.

 

Pretty great episode overall and getting me pumped for the season finale!  it looks like episode 7 will be purely two rivers.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It would have been so easy to have any character, even the guys selling it to him, to just say something “you have the Dark One’s luck” or something like that to hint that there is a supernatural element to Mat’s fortunes.  

1 minute ago, Mirefox said:

It would have been so easy to have any character, even the guys selling it to him, to just say something “you have the Dark One’s luck” or something like that to hint that there is a supernatural element to Mat’s fortunes.  

Yeah. That would have been nice. I hope we start seeing it more explicitly 

3 minutes ago, Elder_Haman said:

Yeah. That would have been nice. I hope we start seeing it more explicitly 

When he first heard Thom I didn’t notice the singing.  I though he was maybe distracted by a game of dice and I thought we were going to see him go and win a dozen rolls in a row or something.

16 minutes ago, Mirefox said:

When he first heard Thom I didn’t notice the singing.  I though he was maybe distracted by a game of dice and I thought we were going to see him go and win a dozen rolls in a row or something.

I thought we’d see some sort of montage of him winning at dice during the “Hills of Tanchico” sequence. Missed opportunity. 

4 minutes ago, Elder_Haman said:

I thought we’d see some sort of montage of him winning at dice during the “Hills of Tanchico” sequence. Missed opportunity. 

And miss Elayne singing bawdy songs and dancing?  I think they could have been throwing dice at his head and it wouldn’t have been a distraction at that very moment🤣

I'm apparently the only person who doesn't understand the notion that Elayne was ignorant of what The Hills of Tanchico song was about and/or who didn't 'read' surprise or hesitation into any part of her performance.

2 minutes ago, DigificWriter said:

I'm apparently the only person who doesn't understand the notion that Elayne was ignorant of what The Hills of Tanchico song was about and/or who didn't 'read' surprise or hesitation into any part of her performance.

 

It's subtle. But it's definitely there. Look of surprise when audience woman makes ... gesture. Looks at Thom, he gives her the "you asked for it" look. And then she "gets it" and goes for it.

 

The Wheel Of Time | “The Hills of Tanchico” - Elayne Trakand featuring Thom Merrilin. Stream it now on WOTify. | Instagram

This was well done if you ask me ... very ... "spirit of Elayne from the books" performance. 

Drinker, swearing - kind of wants to be "one of the boys" - but really, she's a bit naive and sweet and innocent - a princess. She "knows history" but hasn't "experienced the world". 

Again, here's a case where I'd say the show is Improving upon the Books. 

I didn't like Elayne in the books. Especially her whole pregnancy plot was suuuuper annoying. 

Ceara Coveney is a fantastic Elayne and is super talented and pretty and sweet. 

Love it. 

 

 

 

13 minutes ago, DreadLord31 said:

This was well done if you ask me ... very ... "spirit of Elayne from the books" performance. 

Drinker, swearing - kind of wants to be "one of the boys" - but really, she's a bit naive and sweet and innocent - a princess. She "knows history" but hasn't "experienced the world". 

Again, here's a case where I'd say the show is Improving upon the Books. 

I didn't like Elayne in the books. Especially her whole pregnancy plot was suuuuper annoying. 

Ceara Coveney is a fantastic Elayne and is super talented and pretty and sweet. 

Love it. 

 

 

 

I agree, though I reserve the right to withdraw that statement if the ruin her going forward, which is entirely possible given this show.  I was more or less neutral on her last season mainly because she felt a little underutilized.  She’s been good the last two episodes, though.

 

I do wonder where they are going to go with her relationship with Thom.  That might be a little odd for this show.

9 minutes ago, Mirefox said:

I do wonder where they are going to go with her relationship with Thom.  That might be a little odd for this show.

I’m sure they’ll keep it very father/daughter and avoid having Elayne hitting on him. If they’re smart, they’ll use it to reveal Rahvin. 

38 minutes ago, DreadLord31 said:

 

It's subtle. But it's definitely there. Look of surprise when audience woman makes ... gesture. Looks at Thom, he gives her the "you asked for it" look. And then she "gets it" and goes for it.

 

The Wheel Of Time | “The Hills of Tanchico” - Elayne Trakand featuring Thom Merrilin. Stream it now on WOTify. | Instagram

 

I noticed her expression and the pause, but they don't 'read' as surprise or hesitation to me; they 'read' as a needed pause in the song to catch a brief breath and to watch for performance cues.

6 minutes ago, Elder_Haman said:

If they’re smart, they’ll use it to reveal Rahvin.

 I think that’s a pretty big IF … I think they’re going to use Matt and the

 

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to oust Rahvin. 
 

I do hope we get TvThom and more Elayne though. 

31 minutes ago, DigificWriter said:

 

I noticed her expression and the pause, but they don't 'read' as surprise or hesitation to me; they 'read' as a needed pause in the song to catch a brief breath and to watch for performance cues.

Alright … you convinced me … these writers are definitely not that good to have written such character depth that subtly into a scene 😉 

 

If it’s there … it’s just cause Ceara is awesome and understands her character and slipped it in! lol

46 minutes ago, DreadLord31 said:

 I think that’s a pretty big IF … I think they’re going to use Matt and the

 

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to oust Rahvin. 
 

I do hope we get TvThom and more Elayne though. 

I’m more referring to Thom as the vehicle for learning that “Lord Gaebril” is not who he claims to be. 

29 minutes ago, Elder_Haman said:

I’m more referring to Thom as the vehicle for learning that “Lord Gaebril” is not who he claims to be. 

Yeah, I think we get the "yes, I know the Council of Illian, and the great house representatives, and all the Lords of Tear, and I've never heard of Lord Brend" speech substituted with Lord Gaebril

13 hours ago, Figs and Mice said:

He wouldn't have been in the books ; but a lot of the detail as to his ability to partially escape his captivity isn't made altogether clear

It's not likely to be made clear in regards to specific time frames because this way they can just make it up as they go. If they are to go with that bit of lore from the books, they do need to make it clear that he was able to partially escape. I think show only viewers would be rather confused, otherwise. 

"Where one's not enough and three's too many
And two bring a man to his knees"

 

So the lyrics has a third meaning I didn't pick up on till someone else pointed it out to me (1) landscape Hills (2) bosom (3) the statue (where a collared man is on his knees with 2 women)

 

 

 

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