Perhaps, but in a war or battle it's different.  This is the LAST battle, the big one.  So I don't think the Black Ajah would be too upset if they were exposed because they firmly believe that they are going to win Tarmon Gaidon, so they will rule the White Tower (if it even exists afterward) or the world as they know it...this is how they think. 

 

As is...I agree that Elza is probably the most logical choice as the Darkfriend who is close to Rand at the moment.  I think it's interesting that no one has figured out that she's Black Ajah, although I think Cadsuane probably suspects something is wierd (and maybe Nesune) by the way that she's acting.  Interestingly, I think Nesune is going to play an interesting role in AMOL.

 

Mesaana in the Tower (and most of the Black Ajah...Alviarin, Talene, etc) and Taim in the Black Tower, as well as Aran'gar and Delana in Salidar (it's not likely that there are other Black Ajah in Salidar or I think Aran'gar would have utilized them as well) and Elza with the Dragon Reborn.  That's how I see it.

 

I'd be curious to know how far the Black Ajah truly extends...like how big their numbers are compared to the rest of the Ajahs.

Aran'gar and Delana in Salidar (it's not likely that there are other Black Ajah in Salidar or I think Aran'gar would have utilized them as well)

 

Not anymore...

 

 

It is possible that the Black Ajah and other DF channelers will all reveal themselves out of pride, but I doubt it.  The easiest way to kill someone is to stab them in the back when they least expect it.

Aran'gar and Delana in Salidar (it's not likely that there are other Black Ajah in Salidar or I think Aran'gar would have utilized them as well

 

Why would she do that? Aran'gar attached herself to Delana so she could have a credible backstory, and a constant access to a BA. Everyone in Salidar "knows" why Aran'gar is with Delana, and accepts it, even though they do not necessarily like it. But if she went from there to starting to approach other BA, unwanted questions might start getting asked. especially when Aran'gar starts to worm her way into Egwenes good grace.

 

Salidar held roughly 1/3 of all Aes Sedai around when the Tower split, and considering how many BA we know about in the Tower, we can be quite certain that Delana is far from the only BA among the rebels.

*cough* Lelaine, Leane, at least 2 others in the hall (random guess), and probably at least 1 in sheriams group of gal pals *cough*

 

oh and theodrin

 

cough?

 

^^

*cough* Lelaine, Leane, at least 2 others in the hall (random guess), and probably at least 1 in sheriams group of gal pals *cough*

 

oh and theodrin

 

cough?

 

^^

 

 

Theodrin for sure, but I'm not so sure about the other two.  Why do you think they are BA?  Leane as BA would be a very interesting twist.

well as for Lelaine there are several points i know one can go into great detail on, i think it has its own thread though the last few times ive tried searching for it ive failed (I think it was on the old dm)

 

One of the main ones, though i recognize this isnt conclusive on its own, is that when Romanda proposed to the hall that they should question all the sitters etc as if they were black ajah to root any out Lelaine went into an uproar.

 

And i believe the wording was "I lelaine will be the first to submit to my methods, if you are the second"

 

I always though that it was majorly foreshadowing that lelaine is black ajah (thats form the 7th book, i know the other things are from later on)

 

As for Leane theres actually nothing i can think of atm that would make her out to be black ajah, i mean there are a couple things with book 11 and her being held prisoner etc and that she got egwene and herself captured on purpose that ive heard. But nothing that actually sounded legit. Still i think i believe her as being BA for the simple reason that it would be such an awesome plot twist to find out she is black ajah, certainly Robert Jordan has liked doing that with characters in the past. Even before Integar there was Padan Fain in book 1.

 

would like to hear anyones case for leane, theodrin or Lelaine being black ajah or not being black ajah if anyone has opinions on the matter. To be honest my personal reasons for suspecting theodrin are just as fickle as my reasosn for Leane.

Theodrin for sure

 

Why Theodrin for sure?  I must be missing something...

Interestingly, I think Nesune is going to play an interesting role in AMOL.

 

She will found a great library: probably at the new academy in Caemlyn :-) :-) [The great library is Min's viewing of her---the question is where?

Any "suspicious" behaviour by Lelaine is quite nicely explained in KOD.

 

If the biggest pointer against Leane is that she alowed herself and Egwene to be captured...Examine the events again. Leane did the best she could, she turned about half of the chain into cuendillar. She masked her ability until she got knocked out, nothing in those actions speak of anything other than a person doing her best to succeed. And as for giving up Egwene in advance, she did not know that Egwene would do the job herself, so what Leane could possibly have given up is herself and a novice.

Still it doesn't seem like Leaen is BA, but it would nevertheless be a great plot twist!

Well Sheriam might be one, she was the one who got whipped in her tent right?

Theodrin for sure

 

Why Theodrin for sure?  I must be missing something...

 

No you're not missing anything, I mostly suspect Theodrin for the same reason I suspect Dyelin of being a darkfriend, because she just seems too good to be true.  Plus she was paired the Faolin early on and Faolin seems like a red hearing intended to throw us off Theodrin's trail.

to be honest i don't think dyline would be a darkfriend, way to many things she could have done but didnt to distablize andor

 

But i do think something is up with her, she never gave her reason for not wanting to be queen.

If recognizing someone else as a better leader is a quality of a Darkfriend then the a whole lot of people are going to fit the bill, including Caraline Damodred.  Dyelin isn't a Darkfriend, and she is intent on having Elayne as Queen because she has enough on her plate running her own House as well as the fact that she does not want to see Andor go through another series of wars trying to find someone to rule when Elayne is the rightful heir to the throne.  Dyelin's reasoning is simply for the sake of her own nation and people.

 

Theodrin I could see as a Darkfriend, although I honestly don't know why.  It just feels right.

 

But I would say it's unlikely Lelaine is a Darkfriend.  "I will submit to my own methods if you submit to them first, Lelaine" is hardly a good reason.  Lelaine says that Romanda's methods run suspiciously close to putting people to the question, and putting a Sister to the question is simply not done in her opinion (and everyone else's).  I don't think it had to do with the same fear Talene had when the Sitters were passing the Oath Rod around.  Lelaine is just disgusted with the idea of putting Aes Sedai to the question.

 

I don't see why Aran'gar wouldn't have approached other Sisters of the Black Ajah while she was in Salidar - and it would have been very easy to do so through Delana so as not to arouse suspicion by approaching them herself.  But she didn't, so it seems to me that there probably weren't any other Black Sisters in Salidar, or perhaps if there were...they were so far removed from Delana's heart (the three BA connected to her) that Aran'gar and Delana simply did not know who they were and they did not know who she was.

I found the quote again, and based on the wording Mordin was definitely talking about the 3 foraken that are with Rand, or at Tar Valon and Salidar.

Perhaps, but in a war or battle it's different.

Not really. A bunch of unknown spies and traitors causing havoc behind the lines has the potential to cripple the Light far more effectively than the same people wandering about saying "Hey, we're the enemy, come and get us."

We know about Elza, Alvarian(?), Galina, Katerine, Those sisters that elaida told those people to hunt, and a lot others that i dont know.

 

I think that the AS are plageud by DFs more the Asha'man

 

And they annoy the hell out of me so i want rand to destroy the WT anyway.

The AS are more plagued by DF because they have been around longer, in terms of an organization, while the men who could channel were always hunted down, so they didn't have an organization, and many of them just didn't live long because they got killed by Saidin, the Taint, or AS.

Recruiting 100 DFs in roughly a year seems quite plagued to me. Especially since they all thanks to Taims special classes should be better trained than the rest.

Well now, I didn't say that the AM weren't plagued at all, tehy too are plauged, but it seems, at least at the moment that they are not as plauged as the AS.

The difference is that in the AS, the Black Ajah is in the typical Darkfriend cell organization in deep cover.  Taim's Asha'man are hidden in plain sight.  Of course, this is due to the difference in the respective Towers' governments.  The White Tower has a better system of checks-and-balances with both the Hall and the Amyrlin than the Black Tower, in which Taim is the flat-out leader.