yes but at the time I was basing it off of the vote jumping and read my role wrong, so I was seeing which one turned out to be the true mafia, I was trying to get a omg what happened reaction did not expect one of them to die.

and Razen I find anyone not trying suspicious, so if I call someone out for not trying I'm casting suspicion on them.

well considering the kill had to pointed at BG for what happened to have happened that leans me to believe he was telling the truth, there was no reason to suspect a switcher, at that point as I was layng low about everything except for being Psyduck if you have any town worthy info or reads Turin tell us.

I thought you said you were a bus driver? switchers are near always mafia. And generally bus drivers can not drive themselves. Switchers that can switch themselves are also generally mafia.

 

Info? like am I a cop or some such? none from me. I am a mere League vanilla trainer. Reads? still don't trust you or BG as far as I can throw you.

 

BG has been evasive about who he viewed and his results for same like he fears to guess wrong and get called out on it. You are trying too hard to come across as town when your role claim is more likely mafia than not.

 

switcher busdriver it doesn't matter I was using your terminology busdriver is primarily mafia as well, you would have pinned it on me the other way too. so BS on that

 

it doesn't matter what you say you kill the best role to confuse the mafia if I go down so either be a town and do town like things or help the mafia choice is yours.

When I am discussing my role I always use the actual name in my PM. I don't care what others use. If I were a town bus driver I would never use the term switcher in reference to myself as I do consider it to have a more mafia sound to it. Every switcher I have seen has been mafia. I have seen a couple of bus drivers that were town. So to me it does make a difference.

 

It doesn't matter what I say? everyone's opinion matters. Every response we give causes people to think better or worse of us. Asking questions of people that claim powerful roles without being vetted is a town thing to do. If we let a mafia hide and lead us about then we are doomed to lose. No one is above suspicion. Since I don't get to check people or switch them all I can do is ask questions and listen to the answers. That you think I am being anti-town by asking you questions troubles me as much as anything else you have said or done.

 

I say again. I AM TOWN. Lynch me if you will.

Here is what Ithi had fixated on by the end of the day:

 

I rather like the idea of a random but since the rest of you want to avoid it

 

vote Nya

 

Razen and Len, very quick to hop on the Nya lynch now, when they have had plenty of opportunity to do some consolidation voting before and didn't. Also Mafia always like a random - there is always a greater chance it will hit Town.

 

They probably think they will be getting rid of a nice Town role easily. Sneaky mafiosos obviously think the radar gets turned off towards the end of a deadline. Eeeeeny meeeny miney mo. Razen or Len, which way to go?

 

You forget that I have been wanting Arez for the majority of these pages. Besides as I explained earlier to Tress random has its pros and its cons.

 

Rubbish.

 

Unvote - Vote Len

 

 

Can't not go with my conscience.

 

Nooooo! A vote! My confidence is disappearing on the wind!

 

*Dies*

 

Seriously though we have, I think, just about an hour left. I dont think anyone else is going to be able to get on right now.

 

Comedic response noted.

 

She and BG had been hoping for people to switch their votes to Nya. Then along comes Lenlo and myself. I voted for Nya, and then Lenlo said that he wouldn't mind a random lynch and voted for Nya. This is contradictory on his part. Why would he want to help consolidate a lynch if he says that he would prefer a random? And then Ithi runs with the idea. I think that Lenlo has been laying pretty low in this game, as I don't remember much of what he's posted. Also, where did Nya get off to? I haven't noticed her post for a while.

 

I'm going to go with Ithi's conscience on Lenlo.

yes but at the time I was basing it off of the vote jumping and read my role wrong, so I was seeing which one turned out to be the true mafia, I was trying to get a omg what happened reaction did not expect one of them to die.

So you thought both BG and Ithi were mafia?

yes but at the time I was basing it off of the vote jumping and read my role wrong, so I was seeing which one turned out to be the true mafia, I was trying to get a omg what happened reaction did not expect one of them to die.

So you thought both BG and Ithi were mafia?

 

I thought one was, but Ithi was mod confirmed town due to the kill I redirected, and the kill was intended for BG so I feel I was wrong on both accounts.

but I posted those points where I casted my suspicion because you asked for them not because I was building a case as I said I am getting defensive townie read from you

but I think you would be better suited to cast your suspicion elsewhere because I am town right there with you

Here is what Ithi had fixated on by the end of the day:

 

I rather like the idea of a random but since the rest of you want to avoid it

 

vote Nya

 

Razen and Len, very quick to hop on the Nya lynch now, when they have had plenty of opportunity to do some consolidation voting before and didn't. Also Mafia always like a random - there is always a greater chance it will hit Town.

 

They probably think they will be getting rid of a nice Town role easily. Sneaky mafiosos obviously think the radar gets turned off towards the end of a deadline. Eeeeeny meeeny miney mo. Razen or Len, which way to go?

 

You forget that I have been wanting Arez for the majority of these pages. Besides as I explained earlier to Tress random has its pros and its cons.

 

Rubbish.

 

Unvote - Vote Len

 

 

Can't not go with my conscience.

 

Nooooo! A vote! My confidence is disappearing on the wind!

 

*Dies*

 

Seriously though we have, I think, just about an hour left. I dont think anyone else is going to be able to get on right now.

 

Comedic response noted.

 

She and BG had been hoping for people to switch their votes to Nya. Then along comes Lenlo and myself. I voted for Nya, and then Lenlo said that he wouldn't mind a random lynch and voted for Nya. This is contradictory on his part. Why would he want to help consolidate a lynch if he says that he would prefer a random? And then Ithi runs with the idea. I think that Lenlo has been laying pretty low in this game, as I don't remember much of what he's posted. Also, where did Nya get off to? I haven't noticed her post for a while.

 

I'm going to go with Ithi's conscience on Lenlo.

 

that's good reasoning, there has been way to much scummy behavior this game, I'm thinking maybe third party survivor for Len, it would explain why he'd like a random and his "joke" reaction

if it goes Len's way I'll go with it for my theory on him, but I'd prefer a Roo or darthe lynch at this moment unless we get some more info.

Ok as I am getting a defensive Townie read from Turin I'll go back to one of my Day 1 train of thoughts on someone who went from really active in the joke phase to stealth mode in srsbsns phase

 

unvote vote roo

 

Regarding Roo, I just scanned back through my notes and actually he was quite active in the D1 Nolder case. When that fell apart, he seemed to be defending Taltos mildly, and when EP called him out on it and voted him, that's when he seemed to dial back his activity a bit. D2 he voted Nya, and was involved in a bit of a discussion about bandwagoning on other peoples' reasons. Player called him out for "playing it safe", but I don't really see him as being in stealth mode. N2 and D3 so far, we haven't really heard much from him - I don't blame him for not saying much in night phase, I generally try to avoid anything but spam and jokes unless I know I can protect myself (see Commuter in Red's Lolz Apocalypse game). Now that BG has indicated his results for N2, which is what Roo among others were waiting for, it would be good to see what Roo's thoughts are.

 

 

Len:

His end of D1 acceptance of a random lynch pinged quite a bit at the time... I haven't seen him as being particularly lurkish, though, he's been fairly involved in the discussion most of the time. Aside from Ithi's "conscience" vote and the random lynch bit, I'd have to see a better case on him.

 

 

Darthe:

Has seemed a bit suspicious. He appeared to be defending Taltos D1, beyond even the noob pass that several of us were trying to allow. N2 his discussion about who the power roles were going to target pinged me... He may be a good way to go today.

 

Nolder:

Aside from the fake claim D1, and the ensuing arguments, Nol has been pinging me all game. He tunneled fairly hard on Volke D1 and D2... Blamed Ithi and BG for the random D1... Several posts have stuck out to me where Nol has pretty much outright stated he didn't believe people are mafia when they were being tossed around as suspects, including: Arez, Turin, and Tina/BG. Then right after Volke flipped town, he "apologized" for the mislynch, and immediately started trying to line up a lynch on Arez D3. Right now I'd like to hear his reasons for voting Darthe, since he didn't give any.

 

 

The Turin/EP argument is making my head swim tonight, although it seems to be mostly over at this point. I can see Turin's point, somewhat, although I'd prefer to trust BG unless someone comes forward and counters him. The bus driver role makes me wary, though, and can cause just as much chaos for town as it does for mafia.

 

Not quite ready to place a vote just yet, there are others who haven't said much today I'd like to hear from.

Hmmm

 

Not sure where I want to go from here tbh

 

Gotta thank scum for eliminating the most suspicious player and saving us a mislynch though

Good job guys

 

Nolder, what makes you think that the scum killed Arez? Because I can't see a reason why they'd try for him, because as you pointed out, he was the most suspicious player up to that point. The way that I can think of that happening is if the scum team is all newer players that shot themselves in the foot by wasting a NK.

There was one kill

 

Unless you or someone else would like to fess up to being a vigilante I see no reason to suspect anyone else but scum

 

I don't think there is a vig, why would a vig shoot the 1 claimed doc?

exactly

Nolder:

Then right after Volke flipped town, he "apologized" for the mislynch, and immediately started trying to line up a lynch on Arez D3.

I apologized for tunneling on a newbie

I felt bad that I was the driving force behind his lynch

 

As for lining up a lynch on Arez

You seem to be implying that my actions are scummy

As part of the scum team why would I line up a lynch on someone and then nightkill them? That doesn't make any sense

She and BG had been hoping for people to switch their votes to Nya. Then along comes Lenlo and myself. I voted for Nya, and then Lenlo said that he wouldn't mind a random lynch and voted for Nya. This is contradictory on his part. Why would he want to help consolidate a lynch if he says that he would prefer a random? And then Ithi runs with the idea. I think that Lenlo has been laying pretty low in this game, as I don't remember much of what he's posted. Also, where did Nya get off to? I haven't noticed her post for a while.

 

*waves* I'm here, watching!

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_h_qHrMSqk5M/SGeRuQ9sS3I/AAAAAAAABl8/1FttDfRl5Zo/s400/M-G-2673-Little-Owl,-10x10.jpg

Because I didnt want to contribute my usually rather confused and silly "I dunno who to vote so yeah" posts

 

But the arguements today have interested me more seriously.

 

I wasn't sure about either Turin and EP first, but Turin is seeming very towny at this stage, I agree.

 

EP, however, has pinged me for quite some time. I'm not familiar with this 'bus driver' or 'switcher' role, but tell me this - wouldnt it be easy for him to say he switched BG and Ithi if he was scum, and the REAL Doc had protected BG that night anyway? As EP claimed that had happened after everything happend, that should be fairly easy to fake claim then...

 

I agree BG should please tell us who he viewed last night, pronto. I also want to believe him, as he's claimed Cop and no one else has counterclaimed that, so I kinda feel that vets him.

 

Lenlo's action on contradictorily hopping on my train D1 looks slightly suspish, but I literally think like Song here:

Len:

His end of D1 acceptance of a random lynch pinged quite a bit at the time... I haven't seen him as being particularly lurkish, though, he's been fairly involved in the discussion most of the time. Aside from Ithi's "conscience" vote and the random lynch bit, I'd have to see a better case on him.

 

Hmmm...and yeah I'd like to hear more from Roo and Darthe about what's been said of them, but either my memory is poor or my pinging sensors are still underdeveloped, as they haven't drawn my attention very much asides from the slight glance now and then...I'd need to hear more about that.

 

 

Oh, look! I actually made a serious mafia post! *swells with pride*

Boo I forgot the image code for my likkle 'watching' picture Oh well.

Nya I would not have claimed responsibilty of Ithi's death if I were on the mafia team, just saying

This is just a rushed read but it's a long weekend so ill be back tomorrow with a better clearer read through

 

 

lynch me if you think I'm lying, but I'm not, I had no reason to even bring it up. so what would have been the point use your head

This jumps out at me. It's very melodramatic. Kinda an almost giving up type speech. It makes others think that there if you arent going to defend yourself you must be town since mafia often go down fighting. It's not really true. Most times this is used the person suddenly gets more fight as soon as the votes start coming in. I think a similar this was used in a recent game but by a mafia player wasnt it?

I dunno it just tickled a memory

 

I think it was post 1358 (dont quote me on that memory is pretty flimsy there) but he busts it out again

 

Hmmm

 

Not sure where I want to go from here tbh

 

Gotta thank scum for eliminating the most suspicious player and saving us a mislynch though

Good job guys

 

Nolder, what makes you think that the scum killed Arez? Because I can't see a reason why they'd try for him, because as you pointed out, he was the most suspicious player up to that point. The way that I can think of that happening is if the scum team is all newer players that shot themselves in the foot by wasting a NK.

I dont like either of these posts but Raz's much more. I feel like he is talking down the mafia to distance himself from them in a way. Personally I dont think it was the best kill but I can see why the chance to take out a doc would be taken.

@Raz; who do you think the mafia team at this point? (just if you had to choose)

 

Nya I would not have claimed responsibilty of Ithi's death if I were on the mafia team, just saying

I agree with you it would be an odd thing for one to do. I still dont trust you though

bah you don't have to trust me for me to hinder the mafia team, me just surviving hinders them they don't know who is safe to target anymore lol :P

I think this is right....

 

 

Vote Count:

Darthe (3) -- Lenlo, BG, Nol

Firebird (1) -- BG, Turin

Tress (0) -- Firebird

Turin (0) -- Firebird

Roo (1) -- Firebird

Lenlo (1) -- Razen

Countdown

@ Dap - I was looking for a reaction to see what Nolder would say. EP joined him on a similar train of thought. I can tell you all for a fact that the mafia did not kill Arez. Which means that the doc guessed right in whomever they protected last night.

 

I did. I'm the vig that shot him. Look at the scene if you don't believe me. It said that Caterpie saw sunlight before she was knocked out. My Pokemon is Bulbasaur, and the move it knows is Solarbeam. Which is a sunlight based attack move that is very powerful for those of you that don't know the Pokemon universe.

 

You have no idea how nervous I was when Arez revealed as Doc after I submitted my kill on him. I couldn't take it back, so I was sweating, hoping that he had protected himself and hadn't been switched around. But it turned out that he wasn't the doc. That made me relieved, but Nolder and EP's reactions to the point that I brought up are quite interesting, saying that since there was only one kill that they would believe it was mafia unless a vig came forward.

 

To answer your question, Dap, about whom I believe to be mafia, at this point, I'm only guessing, but I think that Lenlo, Nya, and Roo all look scummy to me and are at the top of my most likely to be scum list. Especially since I haven't really heard much from Roo the past few days. Lenlo is going off of Ithi's case on Day 1, which I went back to because my own suspicion (Arez) ended up being town. And Nya is more of a gut reaction than anything else. Look at how she popped up after I asked where she'd been. Did someone on her scum QT poke her in this direction?

No my statement was why would a Vig shoot a claimed doc but that is answered above, I'm thinking Nya is safe atm, however Len and Roo both are good places to look imo

My apologies for my quietness everyone, I have reasons but I doubt anyone wants to hear about RL stuff.

 

I still feel like Nya's rather panicked half claim deserves some attention, especially as she's been as quiet as I have, and I have taken some heat for it.

 

I would have had Taltos near the top of my list for his OMGUSing and bandwagoning, however obviously he has been replaced and it's difficult to question Wombat about the actions of someone else.

 

I'm struggling to wrap my head around the Turin vs EP argument, I don't particularly suspect either of them so it doesn't matter.

 

I am in no way satisfied by BG though. He has openly claimed cop yet refuses to state straight out who he viewed (unless I've missed something which I don't think I have)

 

Ithi's case on Len makes sense to me.

 

Problem is, for me nothing's really standing out right now.

oooh vig claim... I'm not sure what to think of that very much. OK then why the kill?

It's a rogue Bulbasaur!

I thought that he was the scummiest player up to that point. I submitted my kill on him before he claimed Doc, so I had no way to take it back. So I was forced to watch with agony as he revealed. And then curse myself for having a happy trigger finger and not waiting to see how things played out. It could have gone extremely badly if Arez had turned out to be the real doc.

how many times/how often can you shoot Razen?

I thought that he was the scummiest player up to that point. I submitted my kill on him before he claimed Doc, so I had no way to take it back. So I was forced to watch with agony as he revealed. And then curse myself for having a happy trigger finger and not waiting to see how things played out. It could have gone extremely badly if Arez had turned out to be the real doc.

 

and why should I believe that you're not mafia?