Turin Turambar

Challenge accepted Andy!!!! Actually, I only got to see the first 15-20 minutes during the fan event because working. Looking forward to seeing it when I can.

Monopoly

*looking around not at all suspicious * I didn't do it this time. It's not my fault. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Yes, I'm trying to be nicer, less in people's faces aa I think we overly dominated the thread last game and it nearly went all wrong. There were a few critical things that helped pull our bacon out of the fire. Also, some things going on so sadly this game is not my top priority at the present. Finally, although you have pinged me some here, I haven't seen the TOWN LEADER thing so much so haven't had to rail against it, because no one should dominate the entire thread. At least imo.

This is the wolfiest post EVAH!!!!!!

Zander, I asked you earlier if all of your game start things about me (wolfy for posting memes,etc...) was you just trolling me as a Wolf because "Turin is always a wolf" or if you were serious? I asked for a reason not just related to you.

And now it is bedtime. See you in the morning.

I would. There was very little actual interaction between me and Zander. It was basically him calling everything I did wolfy, and me going "no you", because I thought it was just him trolling me as he always thinks I'm mafia. I asked him about it but I don't know if he answered.

They don't like to follow the rules I think. I peeked in on the game at my break. Someone had a question for me. I forgot who tho. I'm gonna look for it.

OK. I've got to get ready for work now. Be good.

Now my head hurts... Two ways to look at this. 1. If you happen to watch a wolf, the only info you would get is if the vig shot them. Then you get the vig conf town. 2. If you watch a townie, you only get info if the vig, or mafia kill them. Then you get info as to who killed whom.

No this is wrong. This is what a tracker does. A Watcher picks a player and gets a report of who visited THAT PLAYER that night. It only gives valuable info if they choose the victim of the NK in thus game. The complicated part is it might be the vig or a mafioso, or both.

I probably wasn't clear here. Let me out this another way. If everything is a joke, then nothing is a joke. How are we to tell? Regardless, it didn't go anywhere so it's kinda moot, except you seem defensive about it. Does this ring as a town response by Zander?

Why watch? I mean if the lynch flips mafia maybe. Or are you mixing up tracker and watcher?

The vig in this game a 1x. Meaning they only get one chance to kill someone at night. I think they can choose to not shoot (it's not clear in the setup I think) The Watcher can visit someone each night. They will get a report of everyone that visited the player. In this game it could only be the vig or the mafia. So if only 1 person dies at night and the Watcher visited that person, they would know who killed them.

OK. I'll keep it under advisement. Yes we do. Not even gonna go into this. Idont think it will be helpful. You say it as a joke, but the tone doesn't read that way and along with your lololololol posting style people could easily take it at face value. Hence, baguette

This I don't like. It is trying to lean on skill and clout to bully suspicion off you. If your really town, and think he's egging you on, don't take the cheese. Keep your head on a swivel. But this post I do like. RTE, if you are town, you should know better. It would be weird for you to be W/W with each other I think. Noting for later.

Not sure what you mean here. Would you clarify please? I think that I was trying to explain my mindset in that game. It is apparently distracting so I'm gonna drop it. My point is that the TOWN LEADER shtick is anti-town in itself due to the ease it can be abused. The fallback of "bad town" is troubling. And I didn't quote it , but I have been mafia with you and I know you can plan.

my numbers for clarity 1. I took all of your first 5 pages or so where you said basically everything I posted was wolfy to be trolling? We're you being serious? 2. I was trying to explain where I was coming from last game. Why you were so suspicious to me. I noted your level of leadership was lower but the end of your Lenlo argument read to me as you saying that no good villager could possibly find you sketch. This plays into psychology and it is a tactic I do associate with the TOWN LEADER players. 3. You being after me, just the general back and forth of the previous game. 4. Lenlo's post about T/T bothered me because it's too early imo for him to make that read, and there hadn't been much to our interactions. His explanation made sense to.me and the way he handled himself with you seemed pretty good. None of these reads are really very strong, with Shad being my strongest Town read and you being my strongest mafia read (and that isn't very strong tbh) 5. We try to regroup and take your stances into account. Reread your posts (torturous as that might be), and study how people interacted with you. If I was the vig I would only shoot tonight if I felt confident, meaning no YOLO shot. 6. It's not because you made a joke about it. It's because it was a suggestion. I think it is inconclusive because it couldn't continue due to RTE noting there is no hammer this game. Adding it to the other things that bothered me has you as my most likely mafia at this point. The other two things of note off the cuff were the "bad villager" line and when Len made what seemed a valid point you just said that didn't matter. It felt like moving goalposts.

Just keep paying attention to what people say and do. Ask yourself if it makes sense, bring it to everyone's attention. Explain why you noted it. Also if you find something good. Same thing.

This pic? Great thought that at the end of the day everyone hugs it out. I guess it could be a timeout (30second). *hugs everyone, town and.wolves alike* Okay, game on!!!

This is one of the good posts I am talking about. Not just because you are agreeing with me. It is straight and clear. As to Cairos, it is he hasn't had a take that I recall so the only thing I have on him is he is repeating a joke. I get it was about him and his siggy is awesome (great job Ithi), but if there are only so many seats on the village bus.

And I'm back. Took a little longer than expected due to my needy pup.we had to go out for playing twice because it's not raining. Nevermind it is still cold as, well cold. Finally got to come back in because it started to winter mix. Anyway, he's back in my face so I'll try to be quick. Early thoughts on people. It's kinda all over the place, so take it for what it is. Shad is feeling town. He's been clear in what he is saying, and I think I agree with most of his takes. Gudrean has been consistent in her tone and most of her takes. I disagree about her defense of Z irt the Dice lynch thing. More about that later. Dice has been fairly quiet. I am attributing it to early happy play with Cass. I hope to see a more involved Dice going forward. Lenlo had that weird T/T take on me and Z early. I'm always suspicious of people reading me town or defending early. I think the thing about Z and Dice rang true with how I remember his vie on the game. Verb has stuck his nose in right away. I think his vote at Len was indicative of town mindset. See thing, poke at thing. See what happens. Cass hasn't really stood out.to.me at all. The only thing I recall is a slight defense of Zander over the TOWN LEADER situation. It could be something, it could just be game philosophy. Cairos has bugged me with the recurring LOCK CLEAR references. I need more from him. RTE has been mostly reasonable. There was something that I thought weird but I can't recall and will have to look for it. I did find his catching the no hammer aspect. I kinda wish he hadn't posted it though as that.might have given more info as to Zander's intent. Heavy is confounding me. Some posts I am totally nodding.my head. Then other posts I just don't understand. I'm wondering if he is trying to create a mafia personality to compartmentalise the game from his regular DM life. I think I'm gonna back burner him for now. Zander I'm having some trouble with. Some of it may be carryover from last game. This game it seems like he's just trolling me, but why I'm not sure. I obviously disagree with his TOWN LEADER ideas because too often it gets used to "bully" (in game only) players into leaving them alone when they do something sketchy. The whole line about bad villaging because someone suspects him is troubling. It just feels wrong. I'm not sure how else to express this. I don't want this to get too long so that's it for now. Oh, my town to mafia list. These are mostly minor leans at present Shad Heavy Verb Len Gudrean RTE Dice Cass Cairos Zander

Hey everyone. I'm a bit.out of it.in general ATM. Been sorta following but not really. I'm gonna try to read through and see what I see. Z, from what I'm reading here on last page or two, what people are saying is the mania (might not be the right word) of your posts are coming off as reactionary, and they are reading that as suspicious. This bit of posting by you is coming across as frantic. I know it is hard for.you but if you are town, just slow down a little bit, compose your thoughts a little and type slower. If you can. /Zanderwhispering Okay, let me go see what you all have been up to.

Z, I think I said this last game and I'll say it again. The entire VILLAGER LEADER shtick is at its heart a mechanism to allow the more vocal, more well known mafia players to distract, diffuse and control the game protecting their teammates. That the people that use it also do it as town is simply cover for when they aren't. I'm always gonna look at least slightly askance at people that use that technique. Trying to hold back. So far willing to wait and see.