Turin Turambar

Lololol. It would if it ends up going nowhere.

Also. That is fishing for the cop. If you knew it then probably Sooh and Dice know it and why. I said I don't really go for that stuff. I do love the.mechanics of power roles and how to interact with them at night but never liked those kind of tricks.

Okay. I didn't go there because I don't really like the whole code words thing. Like making everyone say I'm town in LD games. I think it is against the spirit of the game So, fair enough

This is twisting and makes me doubt you more. I never said they couldn't say. I said it was a bad idea as they would be killed.

I doubt you do that if you are the cop. But it could be WIFOM. OK, at least as a mental exercise, if I'm wrong and it isn't you and Heavy. Your also wrong and I am town. Who do you think are mafia?

Yes. There is a role in the game called cop. Each night they can select.one.player to visit. They get a report of.the.alignment of that player. Either town or mafia. The problem is if they say they are the cop or give their results then the mafia know who they are and will kill them the next night. So right now the cop knows the alignment of one player. The complications are that the could be Mills, who is dead or they could have visited the.mafia Godfather. Visiting them, would give a false town read on the first trip.

Nope. You been around the.block. mentioning a.peek right at start.of day is fishing for reply from the cop. Deny it.all you want. Or trying to breadcrumb for a.later reveal.

Actually, that was you fishing to start with. The out of the blue peek mention is begging to get reactions. In this game the cop is likely to be a newer player based on numbers and random.org so it was possible that they might have jumped out and said their results. You denying the possibility or discarding it out of hand is disingenuous.

Oh, come on. You gave me lip because my windows 7 computer.

No. I may have got it on DVD for you.

That's because you can't mislynch mafia. Even Z.knows he's mafia.

Heavy, can you give me your thoughts on Andy? You think she is town or mafia? Why? Just for Heavy, no.peeking.you. Kidding. Is just some general mafia advice from a bad player that doesn't understand philosophy, lol.

Andy, can you explain the "2 wolves on Turin " post?

Thanks for the effort you were able to make. As for your questions... I am pretty much committed to lynching either Z or Heavy today. The whole frenemies thing is too much. I might be convinced of Andy. The Dice, Mills, Cairos was an early thing. I am mostly looking at Dice as a villager as he has recently begun doing some #work and he has seen some of the same things I did. Like the potential Andy slip. That he went full Dice on it isn't surprising.

In b4 "fishing" comments. I have already said to the cop, "DO NOT REVEAL ".

I seeing them as fully W/W based on their interactions from D1, and the Z issues I just posted. Sorry it.is.lengthy. I do have independent problems with both however. So if one.flips town, the.other is.not clear. But.ifone.flips.mafia, I'm lynching the other the next day barring a red peek.

The first line.should be NOT liking. I declare, DM has been committing the NOT in so many posts this game.

Heavy, will try to explain my entire thoughts process. This is me talking so no quote or things, just my remembering and impressions... In other liking Zander much this entire game for several reasons. 1. Game start he LOCK CLEARS Cairos. This looks even worse to me knowing that Cairos was mafia, busy, and self-described not good at mafia.i could easily see Z work to "protect" him (yeah, I don't care about "Z is willing to bus", people have meta so they can break.meta) 2. The argument with YOU. That it was with you doesn't matter with regard to my take on him. It could have been with anyone and I would not like it in my take on Z. (It does matter in my take on you however) 3. I did not see Zander drive to lynch you. You don't know because you haven't played but this is Zander lite in this game. He is tenacious when he thinks someone really is mafia. That your back and forth with him never seemed to go anywhere felt off to me. 4. His actions at EoD. He put the brakes on @L-2. (On one level this is null as we have many new players, but I think no one was really around. Could be wrong about that). He advocated for Mils as a lynch option along with you when Mills had NO VOTES and there probably weren't 6 people available to vote. To me it again was odd to throw a random person that had some suspicion in along with someone he had been saying was mafia all day. That Cairos ended up voting you could easily be a plan to make you look better and give him an out to switch from you to me(this is actually a good reason for the Millls kill as it establishes that the known mafia voted Heavy instead of a known townie) 5. The entire VILLAGELEADER shtick. The purpose of it is to establish a cover that can be used as being non-alignment indicative. But the reasoning for it is something that gives an ample place to hide as mafia. Just the meta gives him the D1 pass from Soo and Dice. This is a small game. We have ONE mislynch before we lose. No one should have a pass. That is enough about Z. I put him on the back burner yesterday because there was no way I would get a lynch on D1. Sooh and Dice clearly stated they were not gonna even look there yet. I was asleep when Cairos and Mills both came on nudging I thought they were both bad but Cairos came first so I didn't want to switch. When Z (and then later Dice), called for a halt, I listened because you always want as much info as possible on D1. I know they are both good players so I respect when they ask for things. They also see the game differently than I do so it could be something I missed. Looking back I think Z was trying to see if he could get the lynch of Cairos. I'm not sure if it was a potential bus attempt on you or just trying to lynch Mills. You are implicated in part for your interactions with Z. Again I saw it as 2 mafia barking at each other but not really doing much. It also allows you both to stay out.of the main fray as you were locked on each other. You had your own red flags. My main one was you were determined it seemed to be more sus of me even than the person you thought was so mafia. So why vote you now when I feel Z is mafia? We have to catch all of you. I don't really care which goes first. Z and Dice both have you on their target lists even if their reasons vary. So if they will actually help lynch you then it tells me something about them. Personally, I don't think Z will. He has come up with many #reasons to avoid pushing for your lynch despite how much he says you are mafia.

Okay. Sorry. I didn't mean anything to be personal.

Heavy, I think it is very obvious that you and Zander had a big hullabaloo yesterday of calling each other wolves without actually making any serious attempt to get each other lynched. This is one of the more we'll known gambits in mafia for mafia teammates to perform. It works because people don't like confrontation and couldn't imagine such a thing being made up. That you continue the snark with no substantial effort makes it stand out to me. I have you guys as the remaining wolves and am probably not voting anyone other than you 2 today. Your own behaviour has been shady. If you look at early game I was waiting for people to show up before voting you because early game is fun and I wanted to let people have their silliness before getting serious.

*casually balefires random object* That is very fun.

Goodnight Dice. No one is ever "never mafia".

My take is they are taking the wonder girls back to TV to get back training and to let everyone know about Liandrin. Possibly everyone else is tagging along. Also, Rand isn't going to Tear yet. That seems quite clear.

UNVOTE VOTE HEAVY I think he's mafia. Z you were on him all day yesterday but now seem to be trying to come up with ways to clear him. Dice you think he is mafia because of Andy potential slip. I think he is the best choice. Still not lynching Gudrean. Thinking much more likely she is newb town, not newb mafia. Dice you went down to about 70% town with that. We only get 1 mislynch.

Dice, how's your migraine doing? I know it usually takes Ithi like 3 days to get over them. I do needy our input on Z/Heavy, EoD, stuffs. It's late here again. Stupid work. I can call work Stupid, right? I'm just gonna go to sleep. See ya in the morning.