Lenlo

It's not just my memory, it's there in the posts, you can go read them yourself. To be frank? No, I don't think the initial comment of "Bad joke" was in any way an over reaction or coming off to strong. After that, when I didn't back down from Zander's crap? Sure, which is why I backed off later because we were going in circles and filling up the thread with random crap. Not to say "Anyone who continues this is wolfy" as you imply. Yeah, one of those many people being you. I am well aware of how many people are using a single interaction for their entire read of me this game, they are currently voting me. I'm not? I was a participant in it, all I said was that Zander was the one to blow it up from "Bad joke bro" to "Why are you pushing me". You may not have realized this, but I really dont like it when people change what I say/make things up.

Well there's no random atm, so no reason you can't try to sell Dice to Turin/Verb. I know Heavy/Gud wont move because I've "been mean" to them and I'm the only read they've had since D1.

Dont worry, Zander will find a way to blame any resulting defeat on everyone else while taking all credit for any victory.

I never said the bold, why are you finding it so consistently difficult to repeat what actually happened in the thread? How am I not supposed to find this blatant lying about events to be wolfy? Yeah, what happened was I said "Bad joke bro" and then half the thread went "You think thats a bad joke? Why are you pushing him bro". I'm asking why people aren't pressuring her/thinking about her at all. I never asked why people weren't voting her, that's obvious.

They were fine, I was happy to get them. I was joking about how they suddenly switched the moment I finally started vocalizing my frustrations with people.

Yeah sure UNVOTE VOTE DICE I know I'm town and I'm not gonna let people who find it "rude" that they are being pressured stop me from figuring this stuff out. I'll be around at EoD, but obviously I'm not going to vote myself so I don't imagine it'll do much for you Zander

lol just noticed the votes. I guess calling out mediocre play is what switches huh? Man those dice reads must not have been very strong at all from y'all.

Except I'm not? I'm not voting her nor have I pushed a lynch on her? Why are you so consistently incapable of reporting whats actually going on in thread? "Beguiled" my guy, Zander lock cleared her from her first post, if she's wolf she won before she even had to do anything. "Work hard to cast suspicion on her" yeah, not actively participating much makes that difficult. Yes, that is how mutual exclusion of roles works.

Not what I said. What I said was that I didn't push Zander on a joke, he blew it out of proportion. I know I clapped back, there's no denying that, its in the thread. So, another point for misrepresenting what happened in this game. "Trying to help", you were actively insulting me. Well yes, making things up and misrepresenting things are wolf tactics, used by wolves to feed bad information to town and get them to mislynch people so wolves can win the game. I never called you a terrible player, I said your actions were indicative of wolfy behavior, which is no different from what you've done to me. But apparently when I do it, I'm an asshole, because god forbid I hold you to task for what you've said in game.

Now obv some information, such as roles, should be kept private as there is more power in keeping those secret, at least until the right time to reveal them. Reveal to early, get NK'ed, reveal to late, risk being useless. This balance of information is what makes mafia fun, for me at least. It's why I critique what I am.

It also just helps build a paper trail so that, as the game goes on, read/vote progression can be analyzed or looked back on in light of new information/flips. Mafia is a game of information, town want as much as possible while Wolves typically try to reduce the amount of (useful) information as much as possible. Hence it is pro-town to voluntarily provide as much information as possible.

No, of course not. No one is saying you're breaking the rules either. Who's being petty now?

It's also worth saying btw, some of the most charmed, charismatic players can be polite to a fault while wolf, and some town can be absolute raging arses. Imo, it's NAI, the content of the posts is what matters usually not the attitude. Esp cause attitude can be faked.

tbc, I dont think it's a purposeful tactic to get me to stop pushing them, I dont think its some thought out plan, if that's what you are assuming from AtE. Just seems like their default approach to the game.

Sure, that's fine. I'm not expecting you to suddenly start actually reading what Gud writes. I'm not even pushing her for a lynch, because I can separate annoyance at a player from their role in the game, I just was done with not saying what I find frustrating about half the players not actually participating in this game, in which she is included

There's AtE in that exact post I quoted, thats exactly what the "Please back off, this is rude and if you dont back off you'll look even ruder" is. If you can't see that then fine, you haven't been able to see anything Gud as written all game, but there's no other way to describe what she said than AtE. "If you're not a rude person, you'll stop treating me like this, and by treating me like this I mean pushing me".

"Crap attitude". As was said before, the Zander/Dice thing was blown out of proportion by him, I said it was a bad joke and it's gone from there. But that interaction is all you have, it's the only thing you've ever said about me, so I'm not surprised you're sticking with something that happened over a week ago as your only reason for voting me. Anything more would require some effort. So you're right, it's not a good reason, it's not even a factual one. As for being "Pissy/mean" if you can't handle a bit of pressure and that makes me look rude to you, then I don't know what to say. Zander has been far ruder to Dice but you didn't say a word to him. Heavy has been ruder to RTE but you didn't say a word to him. P certain there's a few more examples from Verb/Zander I could find as well. But the only one you care about is me, because I'm not insta pocketing you for doing nothing in a game of internet guess-who. You want to guilt trip me into leaving you alone with this whole "I hope for your sake you're town" bit? Nice bit of AtE btw. Well it's not going to work, because much like Verb I probably won't be playing another game after this. I want this win and them I'm done.

tbc I'm not even pushing Gud here, I'm just frustrated at the complete lack of anything constructive from them, similar to how you are with Dice, but Dice somehow gets this big push against them while Gud ends up in a pocket because meme clear. I feel like I have 2-3 millstones around my neck this game.

Yeah, you've just said that if Gud is a wolf GG, because you refuse to realistically consider the possibility, just accepting a loss if it's the case.

Y'all had you're turns, now its mine to late night crash out at the state of this town /s

You like to give everyone else crap for how poorly this town has run this game, but dude you're vibe clearing half of the players because "Oh they are new, this tell can't possibly be a wolfy they are just inexperienced".

I'd expect literally anything, either from y'all or someone else. I dont see you being this hands-off/soft with Heavy after all. I'd expect y'all to actually consider that new people have just as high a chance of rolling wolf as anyone else, so we can't just ignore them. Also lol "My top 3 suspects are all new players" my brother in christ, Verb is the open vig, you're the claimed watcher, I know I'm town. Most of the game that's left are "new" people my guy. Are you just upset I'm not lock sold sheep following you on Dice when your entire read is vibes based? Would me suddenly switching one of those to Turin completely alleviate this concern, "Oh well he's suspecting someone who isn't new so suddenly this sus list looks a whole lot better". Hell, in this very post you say "New players... Or someone who isn't actually a new player". How about we actually read their content in the game and don't just give people free passes, because how else do you expect them to learn.

This is what I'm talking about. You've been "Lenlo is wolf" since D1, with 0 effort in actually pushing or casing me beyond "He feels wolfy", and then you make openly opportunistic posts about "I'll go where the consensus is, I dont really care who, here's like half the game I'd accept". If you're a wolf, you're getting by via Zander's effortless pocket since no one is putting any effort/care into reading you, and if you're a town you're a millstone.

Thanks. Tbh, I'm not sure what to do today. Apparently alone on my biggest wolf read, plenty of people are casing/pushing Dice but only one of them is actually backing that up with a vote, which feels weird as hell. I'd settle for an RTE lynch, but after all that's happened today that feels kind of like a backstep to D1. I dont hate any of the current votes, excluding mine obv I'd say more about Gud if I thought anyone would actually care/bother with it, so I'm kind of just stuck wondering which I should focus on.

Survivor will forever be my favorite role