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No, I'm saying that I find it curious how quickly Turin bought the claim, considering how easy and risk free of a claim it could be. I still think Zander is town, I always have, though this crashout is concerning. Also, still down for RTE.

It's worth mentioning, watcher is replaceable, so imo it has nowhere near the same level of "We have to respect it" as other role claims. A bit concerned about how quickly this was dropped, even if I disagree with pushing Zander

I'm not sure I've ever seen Zander crash out like this before tbh.

It sounds to me like RTE's flip cracks a lot of this open for most everyone. The only issue is I dont want to spend the next days assuming an RTE lynch and get nothing done, that's just a waste of our available time.

Sure, I'm not saying he's 100% right, that's why I'm questioning his push of you. All I said was that I put more stock in his words because I know they are coming from a town place.

I'm legitimately surprised at this tbh, considering how aware you were of your bad D1 play. Yeah I was gung-ho, because I thought we had caught a solid wolf D1, something that's usually rather difficult. Fair enough I guess. You are the only confirmed town in the game though, so I hope you can understand why I'd put a bit more stock in what you're saying.

What do you think about RTE today? I feel like that clears up a lot of the confusion in the game atm, between the switch to Cass from Zander, Heavy's feelings of w/w teaming between me and him, not to mention all the other scum reads on him. Or are you all in on Zander?

You keep listing me in your sus list, do you have any reason for that beyond... "Has been on my sus list"? Cause from where I'm sitting, your reason is circular, he's there because he was always there. I'm not even casing/accusing you, I just want an actual reason for it, because I haven't seen a good one all game.

Super quiet? I was pretty active at the time, plus I had just finished pushing him and was content with my vote until his vig reveal. Of course I'm going to look for alternatives when he clears himself with the vig claim. Also, I made it clear I'm down with RTE or Cass, I asked Zander which he would prefer. You keep acting like I'm trying to keep RTE alive when I've been down to lynch/vig him for the past two (in game) days. Nothing you're saying makes sense, nor reflects reality.

Yeah I was about to say, where's Gud in all of this? Because I know you're pocketing/all in on her, but she hasn't been seen for a bit and I think now is the time to maybe revisit some of those early reads.

Imo lets not go off the deep end/panic yet today. Crunching the numbers, even if we mislynch today and then a NK goes through tonight, we'll have D3 as our last shot. Obv I'd rather get a wolf today, make things easier for us, but what I'm getting at is we shouldn't panic, we need to focus up, look at how D1 went, and we should have a good shot. No way something like D1 goes down without wolves making moves, we just need to find them. I think we find at least one in RTE/Heavy/Cairos.

Their loss our gain I say, whatever their reason we have a lock clear town active and playing now, which can go a long way.

The funny thing is, I have to take everything Verb does seriously, cause he's the only confirmed person in this game, so every read/choice he makes is guaranteed to be coming from a town perspective. He's the wall I have to bounce ideas/reads off of now lol

Well that's definitely a reverse. Thank God we have days to talk this out cause I'm curious. One town core is voting another town core in my book

Someone needs to explain this dice case to me, cause I still have no idea what it's about. I'm open to it, I'm neutral on the guy and dont think he's town yet, but I have no idea what the case is.

Ohhh I see the issue, Zander I think the tie random means it randoms between the tied wagons, not all 4 wagons. Ithi can confirm, but I think I see the confusion now.

You're saying so much while saying so little.

Anyways, dinner time, VOTE HEAVY Put my money where my mouth is before I head out.

I have not seen the previous game at all, this is the first mafia game I've look at in years. I'd be willing to lynch RTE first and see how that confirmation affects Cairos though, like I said I'm not super confident on that 3rd slot. Could also be Dice, though I don't really understand your push on him fwiw

Yeah... This doesnt make sense with what you said before and seems like you're pulling it out of your pocket while continuing to do this whole "I'm confused and it's your fault so your a wolf" thing, despite spending most of the night phase trying to setup lynches on people. Anyways like I said, my current wolf team is Heavy/RTE/...Cairos? Least sure on Cairos, there was some back and forth between him and RTE in D1, but that could easily have been distancing since no votes/serious pushes really came from it that I can remember. Right now, that's the group I'd look at and it would give us two wolves on the Cass train, which would make sense.

You're not wrong, I have 2 on me. You wanna talk, got any questions, we can figure it. I'd say though, we have 1 conf town voting another conf town in Verb/Shad and you/me voting Cass, and all of us were wrong. If we have at least one experienced wolf, that means they probably shot Shad to avoid the watcher? Unless Verb holstered, but we'll get his thoughts tomorrow.

Final vote of D1. The 3 confirmed town are Shad/Cass/Verb. Not a single one of them were on the Cass train. So... What is Heavy talking about?

Wait Shad wasn't even on that train at all. Who the heck is Heavy talking about?

That... is a good point. I didn't catch that, I thought he meant Cass. But Cass was the one being voted so... Who is the other person he means?

Well hopefully now that Verb doesnt have to hide/ride that line to avoid being NKed he will be more helpful. Dudes thoughts/words are the only guaranteed town thing we have, we can trust everything he says is coming through honestly, which is helpful.