Verbal32

No, I knew you would. I was just snapping at Zander for jumping in.

No shit, I want Lenlo to answer.

I disagree with "every way". I'm sure I've said stuff that seemed townie, just you think I said more that seemed scummy. Agree with that?

Well I came back to the thread and saw I was the lynch leader - exactly what did you expect me to do?

So what exactly will your explanation be when I flip town? Oh, Verbal just defended poorly, he just played bad?

I can read tone, too. That's not a townie town - that's a mocking one.

Oh that's not my only defense, brotato chip. As for the talk about playstyle, I could see it was bothering another player (RTE) and I was trying to explain things to get us past that. And it's D1, so not like there's a lot of other stuff to go on. It's just conversation and nitpicky things. I'll give you that my initial push on you could be called nitpicky, but hey - it's what I saw.

not to mention the easy explanation that a team member found something easy for you to push me on.....

So you're saying you slow rolled me?

I'd also like to point out that townies often make those little mistakes with words because we're less worried about mistakes like that than scum are.....

Both answers look bad for you. If you're putting words in my mouth, that's scummy. If I was poor with my words and you pounced on it, that's scummy. Pick your poison.

Dude, never do that again. If somebody reads your post and it sticks in their mind that's what I actually said, it would be false. Mess with your own quotes for fun, but that's no bueno.

This is what Lenlo had in his spoiler tag before: "Here we get his first, and only, scum list where he lists me and Zander (This is in the middle of our spat) as wolves. No support, no nothing. Me I get, even if his reasoning is bad at least he has a reason and has voted me. But Zander? He hasn't mentioned anything about him at all, but this list seems to imply we are wolves together. He even later clarifies that he added the ??? because there are 3 scum in the game, so he clearly intends this as a list and not a "One or the other", as shown in the quotes below." Except....I literally said "part" of the scum team. I already said it could be v/v or v/w. And that the other slot is unknown to me completely as in no other major suspects at that time. You're trying to put words into my mouth, which is the same thing as lying. Lynch all liars.

Yeah, that's not happening.

Not gonna lie, I'm not a fan of this after Cass starts the vote off on me.

Zander could be town, sure. I could be as well. If you need to lynch me to move the game along for town, go for it. But I don't know if lynching me does that. Hell, I don't know if lynching Zander does either, and I'm voting Lenlo currently, so there's that.

Sorry, wasn't able to get online before now. I think I have 10ish pages to catch up on, but looks like I'm in the lead for a lynch? That sucks.

We're playing the game that's literally referred to as an internet game of Guess Who. heh

I'm curious about the case syntax as well there. And for me, I have no idea what my meta would be now - it's been too long. I think I used to be better at being scum/3p, and barely average at being town. I'd venture that I'm probably average now as scum, and pretty crap at being town now, heh.

Don't let yourself fall into the trap of thinking the second style doesn't work, or isn't well-informed. I did that at first, and players like Cory and Clov showed me it can be done well (just like the older style). Maybe things improve with time, who knows. Maybe my method is outdated and I need to adopt a different style. I know guys like Shad and AJ then came and kicked some @$$ with that second style and won plenty of games. So it works.

I like this answer, thank you.

Regardless of your alignment this game, what you see is a fundamental difference in how the game is played. You and I come from a time when wagonomics and analysis (obv useless D1) was the primary driving force on scumhunting. You can see this method work wonders in the first few seasons of the mafia championship. Then a newer crowd came in and played differently. I'm not saying it's better or worse, just different. That's where the "lock clear" and "D1 pass" and "tone" come from. For a player like me, it's impossible to align with that type of alternative style, and it always rubs me the wrong way. All that said, that's a me problem, and maybe doesn't apply to you. Part of the reason I'm playing again is I'm trying to better understand and work with this other style that I admittedly hate so much. I'm too stubborn and I'm trying to fix that.

What does me being nitpicky on verbiage have to do with being scum? The post with the ??? was because I know there are 3 scum and I only listed 2 potentials....so the 3rd is a complete unknown and therefore reflected with a ???

I have zero experience with you, so I'm inclined to think you mixed me up with somebody else's post.

@Shad_ Scenario: there are 2 players, and you think one of them is potentially scum. You plan to lynch one and cop the other. Good or bad idea? (don't take this game's roles into consideration - only the scenario above, please)