HeavyHalfMoonBlade

Actually on my PC now so jumping to pages is easier - and Zander actually was very vocal about me or Mills in the dying minutes and Cairos literally asked him who to vote for and Zander replied. Which is kind of messed up with everything that has happened since, but I don't really know what to make of it. But definitely feeling Zander wolf vibes, increasingly. VOTE ZANDER Can always change later if circumstances change. Mills is dead Zander, trying to lynch him is probably unnecessary.

I've read most of it - I think I missed the last page because I miss clicked but I did not really see anything standing out. Most people on Cairos said nothing and stuck. Thing I don't get is Cairos was getting voted - only real other alternatives were me and Mills both town. The only person really agitating for changing to us was you. Dice was saying this is sus, but not really saying anything other than he was staying on target. Zander was sticking with his "he is too good to be a new player, he keeps changing" (though Dice has said that too)... Unless I have missed it, if Dice, Zander you and me are town the wolves did nothing to save Cairos. And Cairos followed your directions in voting just before you pulled the hammer. I've checked what Mills posted, which is next to nothing. He was sus on me for Towniest of Townies, then Cairos, and his only other suspicion was Turin. Either he was taken out randomly (perhaps due to his rl circumstances, a mercy killing there would not reveal anything about the wolves plans), or you did not want him to vote for you, or the wolves want to make it look like that. Or something I haven't thought of. *whistles tunelessly* Which doesn't help at all, so there is that.

I wasn't expecting Millon. I'm starting to feel increasingly suspicious of the quiet people. But it is difficult to form any suspicions if they don't say anything. Sooh or Gud could easily mafia. They have done little to garner attention. Don's reads seemed a bit off, but he missed a lot, again not a lot to go on. Mills was sus af, but town and dead. RIP. Andy warmed up and made sense, but also was snarky in replies - kind of directly negative without really adding to stuff. But I can follow that - easier to answer directly than comment on the big picture that you cannot see and don't even know which direction it is in. Don't have a clear read. Z appears to 100% wolf. But I am getting the idea that this is his tactic - he is never wolf pretending to be villager, he always acts like a wolf so no one can read him. Turin and Dice both make sense, generally, but also give off sus vibes. But I guess anyone solving does that, to some extent. You need to look between the lines. So I am back to looking squint eyed at Zander. Cannot really think how Cairos can figure into any team. Sooh/Gud make a compelling mafia team but I am not sure then how Cairos would fit in. I'm thinking something like Zander/Sooh, but have nothing to base it on concretely. Why Mills? I can nearly only think to kill any leads... but lots of us suspected him, so...yeah, I dunno. That is my summary. You are all totally suspicious, I haven't got a clue. Looking forward to hearing from everyone else.

I've been very sus of Mills - though that has been tempered with his real life explanations. But at the end of day he changes his vote from me really early and that sets the scene that it is more or less Cairos or no one as there wasn't a lot of other movement of votes. Which leaves me questioning why a wolf would not wait around a bit. No lynch should not be that much of an issue for the mafia, and why not wait and see if some others change their vote to me. I dunno. Don't have a clear read on it as nearly everything else has seemed very wolfy. Maybe it was a time issue. Dice seemed to be sounding out someone else leading a train on someone else, but it could also have been exactly like he said. I definitely got the read wrong on Cairos and I also kinda felt we were destined to lynch a townie D1 no matter what due to the odds and lack of material. So it is difficult to judge Dice for questioning Cairos wolfness when I was as well. But at the same time, why have such confidence in his vote on Cairos but look so hard for another option. Why both? If he wasn't changing his mind... Why try to change others? But it is definitely plausible. Turin could have put on Mills earlier then he wouldn't have been voting for me but preferring someone else. Zander, acts like a wolf even if he is a townie? So I'm confused on Mills, who I had thought was strong mafia candidate. Still feel like one of Z/Dice/Turin at least is playing us. But the EoD confused me. Everything seemed to change as the deadline approached. It was a real physical wrench when the hammer came down. Was really happy that I had not voted for Cairos and then he was mafia (at first I thought "someone planted a hammer in his room as well, poor guy" before the penny dropped). So I feel very unsure at the moment. Guess I'll need to just see how things develop. Tldr for Zander: Zander is wolfy mcwolf.

Well, you could have some trees. Only takes a few decades for tame chestnuts to mature. A friend of my ex has a garden full of them from a seedling she cultivated and every autumn she has a chestnut party to collect them all and make use of all the hands to peel them, roast them, puree them, make soup, etc., and then have a feast and music as a reward. If I didn't live in a flat and wasn't as old as the hills it sounds like a great plan.

Ah the last paragraph is answering Andy who used the term Godfather while meaning mafioso and Dice was correcting her. Or follow the quote and you'll see the context better.

You thinking of this? Ignore the first quote. Searching for godfather in last week only turns up these and you (Turin) saying something about expecting the Godfather to vote wolf for extra protection. Also looking at this both Cairos and Mills make a comment about Dice's mafia genius at the very beginning of the game, though to be fair Cairos was referring to the ability to multi quote. Why are you all so suspicious? Scratching head.

Dice's not liking how the votes are stacking up on Cairos but not changing his vote but agitating Turin and Z to find other theories is totally consistent with being mafia. Not sure it is inconsistent with being town though.

Can a man not even ponder in his spare time any more?

You're not comfortable with lying? Why would you need to lie in this game? *ponders*

So 436 posts with follow up posts saying lolololololol is OK but something that adds to the literary richness of the English language is not ok? 100% Wolf behaviour.

You quoted her earlier mention already with her vote?

Bah. So new day, er night, and all that. Recap. Seems to me unlikely that all the wolves were on Cairos. That would make it too likely the hammer would fall early when maybe a townie could have been lynched. It's good to to look innocent, but it would be better to look innocent and get to day 2 with three wolves. Turin is an enigma. Zander starts the ball rolling with a vote. Andy looks sus as she immediately backs it up. Cairos, Mills and Don all look sus for backing up Turin suspicion without actually voting. So from this most people correctly coalesce on Cairos but me, Andy, Z and Turin are looking for another option, despite most of us saying Cairos is sus. I admit I got my read wrong on Cairos, I admit now his "you would say you weren't Mafia, Heavy" and mistake voting just seemed a bit rushed due to RL. Turin seemed to be ringleading Cairos suspicions, which seemed sus if Cairos was town. But he wasn't. But then why wasn't Turin following through? Why all the last minute angst? Surely on D1, none of us know anything and it is largely a stab in the dark. All this who will we tactically vote for seems to just obsfucate people's real thoughts. But presumably Dice would be saying we need to talk this through if he was a wolf or villager, otherwise it would be rather easy to tell when he was which. I mean this drives me mad. Town Heavy is making all these deductions (OK being generous there) but mafia Heavy could make exactly the same. The only difference is the wolves know who is who and they have a secret chat that could make them act in ways that doesn't follow from the main chat. Is Turin helping or manipulating? Is Z really just like this all the time? Does security follow him around the supermarket on a good day? Is Dice always this grumpy or is he trying to make himself hard to read? Are people pretending to like wrestling so we'll underestimate them assuming they are stupid? How far can we really trust the mild mannered quiet people munching popcorn at the back? Still think I'm the only town and you guys are all as sus as someone saying it wasn't me, honest guv. Huge markers have to go against Z and Turin for suspecting me, but I can imagine none of the rest of have quite the same motivation to think that. I mean the we are going to lynch you tomorrow, quite aside from how impolite that is, isn't helpful. If I get NKd then it cannot be them as they were going to lynch me. Unless that is what they are planning all along. Or Sooh will NK me so it looks like Zander is doing a double bluff to make himself look innocent. Or Turin is to make Sooh look like she was setting up Zander to look like he was using his unreasonable suspicion of me to make himself look innocent. Or Dice... Well you get the point. Me and when I was saying all the wolves couldn't have been on Cairos I was forgetting there are only two of them now. Still seems like at least one was voting for some else. *eyes Zander* No idea who that could be though. I hate this game. And also low key kind of like it.

Anyway I'm hitting the sack. Well done everyone. I felt pretty ill when the hammer came down. It seemed so sudden. It was actually a surprise that Cairos wasn't innocent. I was nearly hoping that he could swing the vote my way Though in hindsight, that would have been bad. So wait, your argument is Cairos is an idiot that messed up incriminating me and not deliberately running interference? Or making an honest mistake? Weak sauce dude. Though like Dice I did think Mills at first and not much has changed on that front. Except Turin and Z doing everything possible to look guilty.

You still pushing me Zander? Because the mafia accused me of being mafia? I must be missing the application of logic there. You and Turin could not be looking more wolfy if you were wagging your tails. But we'll see how every one else reacts. But the voters on Cairos look a bit more dependable. You two though. Hmpf. Doesn't help your pushing me for no reason than I'm vocal in trying to solve it. Doesn't look good on you even if you are town.

Wolf chat obviously told Cairos to switch votes. Who else was trying to get votes changed? Z, Turin and to a lesser extent Dice. Now Sooh could have been distancing herself from Cairos but in general looks to me like a Turin, Zander, Cairos wolf chat. But we'll see. My suspicions of the quiet people has been really torn given Cairos being mafia. But I did say Turin would look bad if Cairos was town... Bluff or double bluff? From Sooh or Turin? Or both? I hate this game, lol. So Cairos being town both incriminates and relieves the suspicion of everyone. Dagnamit.

No I was voting Mills (I think, lol) and then Turin.

So. Points for our quiet peeps. Looking sus for me, Andy, Z and Turin. And Turin and Z have wolfy mcwolf all leading up to votes. I really was doubting Cairos despite early suspicions.

This is awkward as it looks like Cairos or no one at the moment and I don't feel too happy with either.

I'm confident in my reasoning. But we are working on vapours of facts. And you and Turin are both acting so wolfy that it almost impossible to believe you are mafia. If it is the quiet people, one of us loudmouths is going to die tonight and I'm not sure that will make anything clearer.

And there is my confidence shattered in my deductions. Shucks. Still not buying it at this point. Lets face it, if the wolves are not you mouthy guys then it is probably Sooh, Gud and a plus one. How likely to be a mixture?

Because people are leaning towards town when people don't act like wolves. For a new player that seems to make sense. The distinction between prolly Town and Null at this point seems rather thin. From my pov at least.

Those are the quiet ones. Which is suspicious on one hand but also means apart from that there is not a lot to get suspicious about.

Turin, how could I convince you I am town? I'm suspicious of you and Zander who are acting as wolfy as wolves with doctorates from the University of Higher Wolfing. If that doesn't convince people that I'm town I'm out of arguments. Negotiating votes is sus. That removes responsibility for the votes and makes it some kind of group think.

That's OK. I use the little known application for things like that. It's called an Internet search engine. They are really cutting edge, not surprised you havent heard of them yet. When I flip town, it is going to make you and Zander look really sus. Which means the you are probably not wolves, don't know why you are both pushing this train.