HeavyHalfMoonBlade

Sounds like a winning formula. Ignore the wolf I'm 100% certain about and vote for the most tenuous of my suspicions. I'm totally down with that.

Amn't I saying I am worried? I don't quite get what you are trying to say I'm afraid. My wolf-speak is a bit rusty.

Thank you, sweetcheeks.

No, you agreed with him that eliminating Dice was classic DM mafia, and then joined in with Lenlo attacking him for joking about, while also piling on negative pressure about his posting style. But yup, it must have been such a surprise to you both that Z was spamming. I totally get it. No way you could have seen that coming.

Quoted, silly autocorrect.

Quote for truth. Probably not really appropriate here, but it sounded good in my head.

Cairos is an easy finger. His posts have been kind of awkward throughout, possibly due to RL. But Turin has buddy buddied me and Gud all day. Hasn't accused us once of being a wolf when he should be a suspicious of everyone as I am. Turin says don't vote. RTE and Lenlo both vote. Look how different they are. RTE is a wolf, he is pushing Turin, look at the vote, either RTE or Turin is a wolf! Lock clear Turin. Who is town's best friend. Turin was instrumental as an established player for bringing down Dice. Or... It is simply Cairos. Or Gud. Meh, why isn't this easier? I knew I just should thrown Turin in the airlock early doors.

Yes you do. As you explained. As VerbL explained. If you were both Town, that would leave three wolves to jump on the vote and we would lose. We haven't lost, ergo there aren't three wolves to jump on the vote as one wolf (at least) is involved in the vote. I'm in exactly the same situation. Lenlo is voting for me. If we were both town it would be game over. I know I'm town, so he must, 100%, no doubt, be a wolf. You should have had the same the experience if you were Town. Why don't you see this despite explaining the no vote thing in the first place?

Out

Also I managed to read about the first 30 pages of the game and I'm questioning Turin's claim to not only have read the entire thing but also be considering reading it again for more clues. In those first pages you can clearly see RTE and Lenlo gaslighting Zander, so I would recommend town players to read it, the game starts on page 6 and if you manage past page 20 I think you should see their treatment of Z and have an idea how likely it is someone would read all 120 pages twice.

Yes. I was looking up some terminology and I saw a guide to how wolves most often act and it said just like RTE is playing in your game right now. QFT.

I meant what if it is not Turin and RTE. Wish I was that certain,lol. I mean I am, how do you like those apples? I see through your plan! Choose me or RTE, I can live with it! Of course you can, you win either way wolf! #turintrustissues #ih8uall

I'm just nervous that this is a big brain move by the wolves. It is not Turin or RTE, but Turin and RTE. Nothing stopping them both from being wolves. I asked them both how certain they were that the other was a wolf, and both came back with arguments about why they are suspicious. They should have known if they were town, the other had to be 100% wolf. Why did not this occur to them? Is it because they are not town at all, either of them so they cannot see things through town eyes? I know Lenlo is a wolf. Why do Turin and RTE not know the other is a wolf? That said, Cairos is also really suspicious with the way he posts and even Gud makes me think twice. Why are you all so suspicious all the time? Do we not even have a consensus that RTE and Lenlo are wolves?

People just cannot go talking about walking about naked and not expect it to have an effect on people. It's not my fault I'm not a well adjusted adult.

Comfort

So at least Verbal understands. I cannot help but feel this slightly AI that people are in the same situation as me but don't have the same experience. Like, as I said, they are thinking about how it looks to the town players rather than seeing it as town players. I'm certain Lenlo is a wolf. He must be. RTE is as much a wolf as he can be, but of course I'm not 100%. But who is the third? Cairos's posting has seemed a bit wooden, forced. Really got bad vibes off his "vote Dice k thx bye" but there was nothing objectively suspicious about it. Nudey cutey Gudey seems genuine, can totally empathise with the way she feels, except for her reluctance to see RTE and Lenlo as wolves. Why so hesitant? Turin seems so logical, helpful. But is he really just bussing his teammates for victory on final day? I'd say we should eliminate Lenlo, as I have no doubts about that, but if we can use Lenlo's vote to eliminate RTE maybe we should do that. Depends on Verbals's policy position.

But that isn't the case. You have backed Lenlo up from his first post, where you said he had a very special skill for making reads on people from spam. And you have not ever stopped, not even when he has called you mafia throughout. Mostly you have applauded when he attacked his town "teammates" and made derogatory comments about new players. You also don't seem to be able to grasp the reality of this set up. The wolves cannot mechanically be the three you have listed. It isn't possible - not unless the wolves are sleeping, but eveyone has been active here except Verbal. So why are you getting it so wrong? I kind of feel it is because you are trying to imagine what it is like for us townies as opposed to actually experiencing it. Or do you mean you don't understand the implications of this round? You are right though, if you are town then we are almost certainly beaten. But like Lenlo, you don't show much enthusiasm for team Town. You seem to be more focused on criticising it, than supporting or helping. I'm worried about Gud, Turin and Cairos. I'm sure for those of you who aren't me, add me in that mix. All it takes is one wolf to slip through. But you and Lenlo? What world would town players ever act like you two have, bashing town players, recommending policy eliminations even if players are town, fishing for the Vig, stirring bad feeling, being involved in eliminating Town players without a hint of remorse or regret.

If Cairos will vote Lenlo, I think we should just get that done. Lenlo is 100% wolf. Lenlo having the same takes as you RTE, does not seem AI and I cannot understand why you would confuse these things. They arent the same.

Yeah I'd like to hear from Cairos as well. See where his suspicions lie. And Verb.

RTE did, that is one of the sus things he did. This is horrible, as if RTE is a wolf and Verbal won't vote for him we are guaranteed a randomised outcome at best, unless we use Lenlo's vote (or the other wolf's). Am just worried we are still getting played. There is zero chance Lenlo is town, but where the other wolves are I don't know. At D1, everyone getting voted for was town, except for RTE. If he was town as well, then why did people change to Cass? None of that was wolf motivated? So are you willing to vote for RTE Gud?

I'm nervous about it. 100% sure Lenlo is a wolf. So much makes more sense if RTE is as well, but I'm not certain. Cannot be sure of you, Turin or Gud, not 100%,so that leaves a small door for a loss right here. But I am pretty sure RTE is a wolf...

Those dishonourable dogs! lol

Honestly not sure. Their interplay has felt wrong to me all game, though what they are trying to achieve I don't know. Now I know Lenlo is definitely a wolf, it could be just RTE has been trying to give him plausible town cred, while also being a potential bussing target, or just that Len has sussed him is meant to be even more town cred from a different angle.

Well I might come back to this point later. There are implications for having so many wolves about that I don't think everyone is picking up on and I wonder if this could be AI... a certain blindspot for our furry friends, so to say. Just wanted to hear your thoughts. Or of course I am wrong, or I'm just trying to pull the wolves' chain and see if they react. Been reading the early game (so not a lot of fun) and can see where Lenlo tells Zander that wolves joke about eliminating people early then denies that he ever said anything about alignment and he was only talking about the joke being appropriate or not. I also have read where you RTE agree with Zander that eliminating the unCC'd doc and Dice when he is asleep is classic DM mafia and agree with Lenlo that it is really suspicious that Zander is joking about it. There are some nuggets of information in all that spam.

I thought repetition was a cornerstone of the game *shrugs* Here is a thought experiment for you, @ReleaseTheEvil. Why at this point in the game would a player be pushing a wolf team that it is mechanically impossible, except in the most extreme circumstances? I can only think that would be because they are a wolf and are pushing a confusing narrative. What do you think?