Hybrid hammer is really nice with night chat cause you get the best of both worlds.  Idk, I mainly think it’s a QOL improvement for most games.

Just now, Darthe said:

Scratch this. I don’t want to bully you into your votes.  But I do need to stop flipflopping on your slot. Who’s your top wolf pick?

 

Probably leelou.

2 minutes ago, Darthe said:

Hybrid hammer is really nice with night chat cause you get the best of both worlds.  Idk, I mainly think it’s a QOL improvement for most games.

 

The first game I played with night chat was really odd.  I actually like the break at night so I can reread and collect my thoughts without having the distraction of the thread, but I can see where it can be hugely beneficial to town as a whole.

23 minutes ago, TrippedOnReality said:

Probably leelou.

Is this related to your read on Clov or something else?

Tripped, any thoughts on a Clov/Hallia pairing?

Cory could you one or two line me on your Verb and SD reads?

2 minutes ago, Cory Caboose said:

Tripped, any thoughts on a Clov/Hallia pairing?

 

I'd have to go back and reread their interactions more closely, but I can't think of any reason they couldn't be teamed.  Hallia parking a vote on Chris isn't super inspiring for teammate equity though.  I don't think Chris would want to be bussed.  

 

 

4 minutes ago, whiskey delta said:

Is this related to your read on Clov or something else?

partially that, and partially I feel better about/have decent reasons for everyone else.

 

Like, if Leelou is mafia, i'd feel significantly better about Chris.  the downside is if Leelou is town, we just end up right back here at Chris needing to be resolved. 

I don't think the hallia's vote itself is probably enough for an anti-team.  It was early enough where it could still be moved.

1 minute ago, whiskey delta said:

Cory could you one or two line me on your Verb and SD reads?

 

Verb - The claim is the only relevant thing to his alignment to me, I think we both have thought through the lines for which he would claim that in either alignment. If not for the claim I'd want him to be another wagon today.

 

SinisterDeath - I didn't put a ton of weight into the mech spec talk that I remember a few people marking as positive. I think there's plenty of worlds where SD is the kind of player who might feel it could be advantageous to (even knowingly wrongly) spec on the game mechanics just as a "playing dumb" tactic. That's definitely a vibe read though. He's a lot chattier this game compared to Fireball, though I'm not sure how I feel about that. The wolf case exists and I've seen similar efforts from newer wolves (being very chatty, almost uncomfortably so, but lots of nearly nonsensical speculation of mechanics and probability in lieu of thinking about the players). I get the impression he's been more straight-forward today but its more an impression than memory which has me wanting to give the slot another day.

*sigh* I'm kind of frustrated because I don't want to hold up game solving progress because of my read, but I also realize Chris probably isn't going to be able to resolve himself at this point (largely because of time).  I mean, unless SD is somehow mafia I guess, (but I don't think even Chris believes that and is only voting there out of self-preservation) so I think of those two SD is probably at least as likely, if not more likely to flip town.  I also pretty much only signed up for this game so I could play with Chris and I'd feel like a complete asshole for helping misyeet him if he's town (which I realize is entirely a me problem).

I wouldn't make any anti-reads on Verbal's posting today btw.

 

If he's a wolf the vig claim is more of a buy time than win the game tactic. Typically when doing something like that you've accepted that your future in the game may be very short and you are already thinking of ways to confuse town when people are looking for spew after your death.

1 minute ago, Cory Caboose said:

I wouldn't make any anti-reads on Verbal's posting today btw.

 

If he's a wolf the vig claim is more of a buy time than win the game tactic. Typically when doing something like that you've accepted that your future in the game may be very short and you are already thinking of ways to confuse town when people are looking for spew after your death.

This is a fair point.

9 minutes ago, Cory Caboose said:

The wolf case exists and I've seen similar efforts from newer wolves (being very chatty, almost uncomfortably so, but lots of nearly nonsensical speculation of mechanics and probability in lieu of thinking about the players).

 

I have seen this as well.

Cory, did you have thoughts about Chris/Hallia pair?

1 minute ago, TrippedOnReality said:

Cory, did you have thoughts about Chris/Hallia pair?

 

Nothing specific. I feel Hallia is relatively >rand V and I'm not actually sure she would vote Clov there if they were w/w and nobody was pushing her to vote. Halls is pretty reluctant to bus and in context that's a pretty threatening vote with little fanfare. Overall there are not many teams Hallia makes sense on atp for me.

My thing with Chris is I don’t know how to frame his reentry. How far does his line about not caring go? A lot has developed in the last 24 hours and it’s never fun to come back to the thread and find yourself the lead wagon, but no mention of anything at all? That’s weird to me

1 minute ago, Cory Caboose said:

 

Nothing specific. I feel Hallia is relatively >rand V and I'm not actually sure she would vote Clov there if they were w/w and nobody was pushing her to vote. Halls is pretty reluctant to bus and in context that's a pretty threatening vote with little fanfare. Overall there are not many teams Hallia makes sense on atp for me.

 

yeah, that's kind of where I was at.  I don't know Hallia as well as some of the other people here, but she seems like she'd be hesitant to bus in general.

1 minute ago, whiskey delta said:

My thing with Chris is I don’t know how to frame his reentry. How far does his line about not caring go?

 

I think it's all pretty NAI. I imagine he feels like his inability to commit more time to the game is only reason he's being voted out regardless of whether he's town or mafia and that can just make you not care. If he had the time I imagine he'd be in here calling us all chimneysweeps if he's town or calling us all chimneysweeps & also getting us all to unvote him if he were scum

Just now, Cory Caboose said:

 

I think it's all pretty NAI. I imagine he feels like his inability to commit more time to the game is only reason he's being voted out regardless of whether he's town or mafia and that can just make you not care. If he had the time I imagine he'd be in here calling us all chimneysweeps if he's town or calling us all chimneysweeps & also getting us all to unvote him if he were scum

 

yeah, i think this is a pretty fair assessment.  Hence my comment about not being able to resolve himself.

I need to get some sleep.  You guys can decide if you wanna hammer now or later.

 

Vote Chris

Your move @Clovdyx

a bit further on my reread and maybe biggest takeaway is hallia's d1 was a lot more villagery than i remembered or gave her credit for

AJ,

 

sorry about d1

 

i'm going to consider the me/darthe thing from d2 start as karmic retribution for making you second guess yourself for no real reason

On Clov:

His d1 was clean as you'd expect in either role. The Leelou vote as he left didn't feel weird to me at all, the dice wagon was at the time the only real wagon that had formed to that point and it was mostly just ~active people wagoning an inactive~, so putting some weight to a counter wagon to fetter information is the expected 'Clov' thing. him not being available for the most important part of the day is unfortunate but obviously NAI.

 

What I hoped to see more of was instances of Clov sticking out his neck for something because he feels its right regardless of how the thread may see it. The only time I felt he really stuck his neck out was his reaction to Sinister's mechanical spec, but I could see that coming from wolf!clov who is annoyed that a newer forum mafia player has derpcleared himself through way off speculation on the # of wolves in the game (amongst other things).

I say blame Dice and call it fair

 

Out of respect for everyone’s time I won’t hammer yet but I plan to soon since DL is tmrw. also Sooh isn’t here to post a flip anyway and that would be kinda awkward
 

See you when I wake up (PST)