And if we concentrate only on these "some" at either end of the spectrum, then we can have a lovely "social war" discussion full of hatred and vitriol. 

 

Or we could discuss the actual books and show on their merits.

 

I dunno what you guys would prefer but I would prefer to discuss the Wheel of Time. It doesn't really help to preempt people's arguments (strawmen rarely fight back) or to reply that "your side is worse", but whatever floats your boat. Personally, my experience would point to fans of the book being divided in their enthusiasm for the show, depending on how much they liked the show, not by predisposed political views. So this tribalistic them and us mentality I don't get. 

1 hour ago, Mailman said:

 

Some of those who like the show will invent as many ways as possible to apologize for the show, and also hate on those who dare to give criticism of the show, and insult those people as not real fans, because only they know what the books are truly about, what RJ would truly have wanted, and anyone who does not conform to their worldview is some racist bigoted religious nutjob whose sole mission in life is to destroy the show.

 

 

My post was not directed at you. It was directed at this comment: "There are thousands or even more posts about TSR being so bad that the writers of the show have to correct the countless faults of the novel and improve upon Jordan's abysmal planning and execution..."

 

There are hundreds of reasons to dislike the show legitimately and with fair criticisms. Even if I don't agree with some of those criticisms, I can usually tell when the person is genuine versus the quote above. Hell, I don't even know if I would class myself as liking the show at this point (but am cautiously optimistic for S3).

 

Unfortunately there are an awful lot of bad faith critics of the show who frankly, I can't believe have the energy to constantly invent new ways to hate Rafe Judkins. 

12 hours ago, books of Robert Jordan said:

I predicted the disparagement of Book (1-2-3) 4, and my prediction has come true... There are thousands or even more posts about TSR being so bad that the writers of the show have to correct the countless faults of the novel and improve upon Jordan's abysmal planning and execution...

Decrying TEOTW, TGH, TDR, TSR all the time, and decrying Jordan too... and they call themselves fans...

 

Words really fail me...

I have seen exactly zero of these “thousands” of supposed criticisms of TSR. Perhaps you would be kind enough to provide a link. 

Edited February 27Feb 27 by Elder_Haman

8 hours ago, notpropaganda73 said:

 

My post was not directed at you. It was directed at this comment: "There are thousands or even more posts about TSR being so bad that the writers of the show have to correct the countless faults of the novel and improve upon Jordan's abysmal planning and execution..."

 

There are hundreds of reasons to dislike the show legitimately and with fair criticisms. Even if I don't agree with some of those criticisms, I can usually tell when the person is genuine versus the quote above. Hell, I don't even know if I would class myself as liking the show at this point (but am cautiously optimistic for S3).

 

Unfortunately there are an awful lot of bad faith critics of the show who frankly, I can't believe have the energy to constantly invent new ways to hate Rafe Judkins. 

I have seen your original post a few times before on this forum and others from other posters nearly as a word for word reproduction. I was not taking it as a direct attack on me. I just find it amusing that changing a couple of words makes it just as valid going the other way.

 

You speak of bad faith actors, and yes there are some that attack the show for incorrect reasons. But then you do not comment on the possible bad faith actors on the pro show side. And if you don't think the industry is buying creator content then you are wrong.

14 hours ago, Mailman said:

I have seen your original post a few times before on this forum and others from other posters nearly as a word for word reproduction. I was not taking it as a direct attack on me. I just find it amusing that changing a couple of words makes it just as valid going the other way.

 

You speak of bad faith actors, and yes there are some that attack the show for incorrect reasons. But then you do not comment on the possible bad faith actors on the pro show side. And if you don't think the industry is buying creator content then you are wrong.

 

that's absolutely fair, I was very grump yesterday and seeing that post set me off a little 😅

 

oh I've no doubt Amazon are doing that, I know Daniel Greene talked about it after S1 aired and how they weren't happy that he wasn't lavishly praising the show or something along those lines. I think I just don't take creator content all that seriously for the most part - I just get annoyed when some critics of the show tell me I can't possibly be a true fan of WoT if I enjoy aspects of it or dare to try and talk or think about choices made. It's exhausting to see so much criticism of the show that stems from an assumption that Rafe and the creative team are making changes out of some sinister motivation to destroy RJ's work. 

 

like I say, I was grumpy making that post!

I too feel the writers should have kept more closely to the books. The characters are but a shadow of those created by Robert Jordan.  I have to forget that I have read the series several times in order to enjoy Amazon’s production.

 

Peter Jackson did an amazing job of maintaining the integrity of Tolkien’s writing. It is sad that the makers of Wheel of Time could not be as dilligent.

This is very old, but I just read an article about Lord of the Rings.  Apparently, Ian McKellen instructed Sean Aston to grab Elijah Wood’s hand when he first sees a recovered Frodo in Rivendell because it is a small detail in the books that fans would be looking for and would be excited to see.  Now obviously LotR is not a spot-on adaptation, but this is the way to approach it - what details, no matter how small, can we squeeze out of the books while doing our best to adapt the author’s story to new medium.

 

This show very, very clearly takes a polar opposite approach - what details can we change while changing the story in a way that we think it should go.