Has Ithi confirmed that if we don't get 6 votes on a player it will go to a no lynch? Like if it's not tied, will the person with the most votes die?

yes she has @Sooh

9 hours ago, Zander? said:

 

The DM Rule....always lunch the claimed Doc Day 1 lololololol 

Unless it's Hallia. 

8 hours ago, Zander? said:

Does a new player start making early day 1 connections like this?!?!!

 

@dicetosser1

@Turin Turambar

@Sooh

 

Just like to hear some experienced players weigh in on this for me please 

I'm not sure what connections you're referring to? To me it sounds like a summary of early game tbh.

 

Also I'll be back in a bit. Got to do some actual work-that-I-get-paid-for work

1 minute ago, dicetosser1 said:

yes she has @Sooh

Oh no.. I was hoping for the cliffnotes version 😛

 

Can you tell me please? 

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

 

TURIN - 1  (Andy)

CAIROS - 2 (Dice, Turin)

HEAVY - 2 (Millon, Zander)

ZANDER - 1 (Heavy)

MILLON - 1  (Sooh)

ANDY - 1 (Cairos)

 

NOT VOTING - Cairos, Donchadh, Gudrean

 

6 to Lynch - Hammer Game

 

End of Day 1 Timer

 

https://stagetimer.io/r/UVDHPDFH/

 

Votes in Bold Red. You must Unvote before changing your vote.

 

If a Majority is not achieved there will be No Lynch

Just so you know, I am at work for the next 7 hours so will be a bit sporadic:)

7 minutes ago, Sooh said:

Oh no.. I was hoping for the cliffnotes version 😛

 

Can you tell me please? 

 

See the bottom of Ithis VC above

7 hours ago, Andy MacLeod said:

Here's what I'm getting... Zander, Dice and Turin seem to act as a team and ask each other's opinion under cover of being experienced players and so openly that they are going to say Mafia would never do it in the open... but hiding in plain sight is as old a strategy as the world... 

 

Here's how I see them play:

- Zander's seeds confusion by creating an avalanche of posts - his task seems to be to create confusion through sheer explosion of posts and accusations in every direction... Meanwhile, he throws very half-hearted dirt at Turin but in the same post clears Dice... smells like a well-oiled team at work to me.

- Turin "takes the fall" with one vote against him from his team to dispel suspicion that they might be working together, while Dice and Zander continue to saw suspicion towards other players. His role is to articulate very reasonable reasons and play friendly with the Town folks

- Dice shapes the narrative towards Cairos being a wolf and calls to his teammates to maintain the appearance that he's not in cohoot with them... but in effect, both him and Turin vote for Cairos... I saw veteran-wolfs are piling on... maybe?

 

ALSO: I like you all, this is a game, please don't hate me 🫣 You asked for patterns of people that could go together, and, well, that's what I see...

 

Andy, this is a good post. I don't remember seeing it last night. That was probably because I was reading Zander roll on.

 

It's at least partially wrong because I'm town. However the thought process is reasonable and it is a scenario that could have happened. 

 

What is your take on Cairos?

8 hours ago, Gudrean said:

would it be logical to assume they will also vote for townies to throw the rest off?

Just trying to see if I can use logic and deductions to figure out who might be

Wolves will vote both townies and wolves alike. People attempt to read vote counts and trains to find wolves, but it's only semi-successful in my experience.

8 hours ago, Cairos said:

Sorry, just waking up and being quiet for some time. Yes my RL job sometimes takes me away from mafia. Had to read through 3 pages lol. I’m still half asleep and need to go through the pages again. 

3 pages? Try 8. Also who is scum in your opinion? Give me a bottom 1 or 2 that you think.

8 hours ago, Zander? said:

 

Kinda agree ATM with Dice seems Dicey.

 

Tho if he is a Wolf I'd look real hard at Turin and or vice versa I made a comment on this upon catchup if you are wondering why I think this.

I saw. You think they are buddy-buddy?

8 hours ago, Zander? said:

 

I'll be honest I find Sooh and Turin really hard to read for me personally I tend to almost always find them Scummy in most games ....I've been wrong on them a fair bit.

 

Not always but ya just figured I'd mention it

*mumbles*

7 hours ago, Zander? said:

 

I call myself town leader in pretty much every single game as I truly believe in always the TOWNIEST TOWNIE TO EVER TOWN in my heart and soul lol.

 

I quoted it I think about whiteknighting.  Pretty sure it was IRT you.

 

Lock clear comments a joke man how are you pushing that...that pushing a narrative because you know someone CAN'T BE LOCKED CLEAR TILL MOD FLIPS 

 

You can hopefully see why I have some suspicion on your slot.  You have made some good posts and some posts that pings me.  I'm not good at reading you so I don't wanna push too hard one way or the other till I feel I have a better grasp on your alignment 

I think that I have explained that I see the entire town leader thing to be potentially a strong mafia player being the loudest voice to poo-poo any discussion on a weaker teammate to protect them just by repeating how that player is town to them. Especially when the other player has come across in thread as shady(sorry Cairos, but in game you are shady to me). That you only softly sussed him later while still pushing at me and now Heavy (who could be mafia) strikes me as trying to walk the line of not defending Cairos but not really being willing to lynch him. You know that is a place mafia like to stay in regards teammates. 

 

You can be sus of me all you want. Ask yourself this, am I working to solve? Or am I pushing a narrative? I like that you seem to be working now. I am not really interested in trying to lynch you today. I think Cairos is the way to go. Can you at least acknowledge that what you do is a technique that mafia have used to cover teammates? 

Think im going to bed early.  i will be up early and will stick my head in the thread. 

 

Deadline is 9am for me which means i will NOT be here for the last half hour as I have to run a meeting and not dedicated and possibly  not at all for the half hour before that.

I will do my best to be on while on the train but the internet along the route is spotty.

7 hours ago, Zander? said:

 

Putting yourself on your own list Wolfy AF.

 

We agree on Dice as a Day 1 Villa at least.  Disagree completely on Heavy I've recently just started sussing Gud andi can't barely remember a single post of Don off top lol 

 

Maybe I'm thinking of someone else but weren't you leaning Town on Sooh a little while ago?  Please correct me if in wrong just so I can see.

 

If you're actually a Villa too we may be in trouble.

You starting your post with a semantic argument is weak. Dice is on pause, I think he is town but no one is securely in my village but me right now. My read on Gud is most likely newb, but could be hiding behind it. Andy I  didn't like the way she voted me. It didn't look logical to me. Don has been missing too much to read. If this wasn't such a small game I might be willing to lynch him on General Principle. Sooh is interesting.  Now I get she is busy. She has two handfuls of things going on. It is mostly she has earned a spot in my village  and there were a few interactions that bothered me. It could be just Sooh being friendly but I also saw it as a way to ignore looking deeper at people.  I think it was you and Mills. So some of.my Sooh read is other people dependent.  As is my read on you.

 

I'm definitely town so, if you are then we need to work to find the wolfs. 

 

BTW, I forget. Have you read the books? I think it might help explain some behaviour if you get into the mindset of a WoT fan.

8 hours ago, Zander? said:

 

I legit lolololol'd reading this for some reason 

Hey, if I'm not going to be able to play this game as properly or consistently as I want, at least I want to have fun with it 😉 Happy to have made you laugh, buddy ❤️

8 hours ago, Millon said:

So, so far, this post now seems to be the most suspicious to me. My only reasoning for voting Heavy was a statement like this. Now, a person as thorough as you, does the same thing? I can’t help but feel like it’s a bait for me to call it out as well.  Or you’re poking fun at me hahahaha, fair. Lol. Which only leaves me conflicted on which of the two wolves to vote for first. I said I was going to stay on Heavy and then I all of a sudden have a list of people saying I’m sus. The only other person I have my eye after him is Turin. I know you’re a good helpful guy but I also know you play your strengths and you’ve really been leaning on that a bunch in game. I’m not certain you’re scum but I have ideas. 

I feel like there's a process here, but I'm not sure I can clearly see it. What two wolves are you talking about? Do you have like a tier list of people from most to least trustworthy? Or maybe just give me those you suspect and a short reason why.

8 hours ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

At the moment Zander I am surprised your little wolf paws can hold that shovel so well that you are digging that hole deeper with. 

 

To an extent my suspicions revolve around other players reactions your moves. 

 

So that could leave you innocent. But it is almost as if you are doing everything to double down on your first reactions rather than reacting to the *many* people that have backed you up on Turin without voting. Or, in Andy's case, with voting for little reason.

 

If you are Mafia, you know I am not...

 

Course, maybe Zander and Turin are deliberately trying to split into two camps so that if one gets flipped no one will suspect the other. Has anyone ever seen them together in the same room? Do we even know they are not the same person? Has anyone considered that?

 

Could be you are innocent and say, Mills, Cairos and Andy are leeching off your early vote. But why are you not suspicious of them but of Turin, Dice and me?

I kinda love the tone of this post. 

7 hours ago, Zander? said:

 

What are the other reasons since you refuse to answer 

Mainly, was the manner of her vote on me. She joked about with other people and kinda just slid the vote on with minimal reasoning.  Plus, to use a Zanderism,  she was 2nd on a bad train.

There hasn't been much solve coming out of her until the one post mentioned a bit ago. 

 

Since people are asking about "the thing". It was activity based. Earlier in the game she was pretty silent here but was quite active elsewhere on DM. I know because I was in those threads too while posting here. I have found that it is common for new wolves to be unsure of what to do and lurk early until they have had a chance to contact their teammates and/or get a better feel for the game. I have since decided to disregard that as I'm thinking that it is just as likely to happen as a townie given her posting about not wanting  to "throw dirt" I think was her term. 

8 hours ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Methinks the lady doth protest too much. Its almost like you are town and want me to think you are mafia, but that wouldn't make sense. 

 

I asked the question here and clearly got an answer. I am a clever little Accepted so I can figure hypotheticals out without needing to have played before. 

 

You are acting as sus as a wolf with a ball of cotton wool on its head saying "baaa" trying to get into a sheep only bar.

I like this, because I feel like a new player would be less bold if they were trying to conceal something.

8 hours ago, Zander? said:

 

He's not lock clear.  He's not even A Town read.  Not saying he's a Wolf yet tho he's certainly trended down upon catch up.  I'm ok giving Dice a D1 Town read.  I'd almost wager my life on min 1 Wolf in the new players.

 

You've been back and forth for me.  Tho it's tough because I've always sucked at reading you.  Sooh is the same.

 

But like right now gun to head.  I'd at least give d1 passes to Dice and Soon and likely even you depending on how you answer some of my catchup that might change.  

 

Heavy has really fell off for me.  Cairo's has dropped.  Mills pretty Null ATP.  Not really sure how to read him....I mean...he's a Bills fan most likely so there's that...lawl

Not sure I understand your read on Heavy. Mills and Cairos I can agree with. Don is a true null read for me atp, and yeah... I guess so is Gudrean and Andy. D1 is fun everyone!

8 hours ago, Zander? said:

 

Ping Ping Ping Ping Omg

 

Hate hate Hate Hate Hate Hate this in bold....

 

I think it's majority so maybe most votes?  Have to check with @Ithillian Turambar

 

Why do you hate that?

20 minutes ago, Turin Turambar said:

 Sooh is interesting.  Now I get she is busy. She has two handfuls of things going on. It is mostly she has earned a spot in my village  and there were a few interactions that bothered me. It could be just Sooh being friendly but I also saw it as a way to ignore looking deeper at people.  I think it was you and Mills. So some of.my Sooh read is other people dependent.  As is my read on you.

That should read Sooh has NOT earned a spot in my village. 

Spoiler

BTW,  I hate my phone keypad. It takes me forever to type because I keep hitting period instead of space so everything gets jumbled together. 

 

8 hours ago, Andy MacLeod said:

Here's what I'm getting... Zander, Dice and Turin seem to act as a team and ask each other's opinion under cover of being experienced players and so openly that they are going to say Mafia would never do it in the open... but hiding in plain sight is as old a strategy as the world... 

 

Here's how I see them play:

- Zander's seeds confusion by creating an avalanche of posts - his task seems to be to create confusion through sheer explosion of posts and accusations in every direction... Meanwhile, he throws very half-hearted dirt at Turin but in the same post clears Dice... smells like a well-oiled team at work to me.

- Turin "takes the fall" with one vote against him from his team to dispel suspicion that they might be working together, while Dice and Zander continue to saw suspicion towards other players. His role is to articulate very reasonable reasons and play friendly with the Town folks

- Dice shapes the narrative towards Cairos being a wolf and calls to his teammates to maintain the appearance that he's not in cohoot with them... but in effect, both him and Turin vote for Cairos... I saw veteran-wolfs are piling on... maybe?

 

ALSO: I like you all, this is a game, please don't hate me 🫣 You asked for patterns of people that could go together, and, well, that's what I see...

 

I don't hate this post. Especially with no meta knowledge on anyone it makes sense that these things would stand out about these three. 

 

Got any sense on who could be town and trusted?

8 hours ago, Zander? said:

 

Yes and no some players when randing Minority Villager love to do what's called Bussing where Scummates will push their one, some or all their teammates in the the game for Town cred upon flips.

By "some players", do you mean Zander? 

8 hours ago, Zander? said:

 

It's interesting how we come to the complete opposite conclusion.  Like to me this slot is in one of three categories :

 

1.)One of the greatest first time mafia players of all time able to make reads, connects etc.

 

2.) Has played before

 

3.). Is being coached and or playing with TMI and crafting narratives.

 

So to me odds are it's one of the 2 negatives.  Not saying they can't turn into an amazing Mafia player.  But I've not played any game with a first timer who was smashing connections they seem to claim confidence on less than halfway through D1 of their first hand... just sayin....

I didn't think the connections he made were things that were that hard to figure out from context or even from a first timer. I guess you do you, and then we disagree as usual. 

7 hours ago, dicetosser1 said:

Spoiler

quotes and what part of those quote hit you would be good

 

 

Nope. As mafia your number one wish is for people to think you are town.

 

As town occasionally you might want to seem a little scummy so you dont draw the nk but that wont really apply here

 

 

 

Im an all game villager!

 

Heard WWE is coming back to Perth. They signed an agreement with the WA govt.  You could come.....

 

 

 

I think he is

 

 

 

Heavy is the reason i specifically asked who the newbies were. Im on my lunch break so not going post hunting, but im pretty sure he (She? ) said they did a lot of reading of mafia games looking for stuff in the white tower, but then pulls the noob card out every now anfd then.

 

Seems inconsistent to me and is in my may be scum pile

 

 

nope. It doesnt.

 

 

Wrong. Im Town

 

 

 

Typically paranoid Zander. Hes wrong but i will probably get mislynched because of it

 

 

 

im hating that this isnt nesting quotes. IIRC this was at Gudran and to me its actually making me want to noob clear her

 

 

 

The lock clear post about Cairos was pretty obviously a joke to me.

 

 

 

bit defensive but good post. Its wrong but still a good post. at least andys thinking.

 

FYI  if we were the team, id already be dead cause zander would bus the living daylights out of me.

 

 

 

Not in this game unless the person has been viewed twice

... or the godfather is dead.

7 hours ago, Zander? said:

 

Yep gonna do this.  I know I don't read  Turin or Sooh well so I'm just gonna interact and give them the day at least so I have as much information as possible before I try and make a solid read on em and a lunch if necessary.

I'm looking forward to talking discussing debating arguing with you

4 hours ago, Cairos said:

Heavy you are very sus in trying to say that you are not mafia. Most mafia players would say that and try to lie that they hare town. How can we trust you that you are not mafia. Also you are playing really well since this is your first game. 

 

Dice is being dice and always a strong and vocal player. He can sway me either way as town or mafia. Strong players can help those newer players in how to play and strategies in talking to people. Dont hate me my Sarm brother. 

 

VOTE ANDY

Wut?

 

1+1=random vote?

1 hour ago, Cairos said:

Yes my post is confusing sorry about that. Also i'm at work when i posted it. 

1 hour ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Have to say you are all tots sus. Like really. All this cloak and dagger stuff is driving me insane. Andy actually makes the most sense, but that just goes to show how any group of players could wolves. But yes, why is Zander being Zander such a red flag to players that have so often played with him. Are they in cahoots or is Zander an incredibly suspicious dupe in all this? 

 

Just to clear a point about me seeing old posts, this was posts not threads. Finding the most recent posts involved simply looking at the users activity where I could only see their posts, not the conversation. I also had to look for the last roll call they made so that involved scrolling a bit through their activity. So lots of talk about mafia, not a lot of coherent sense. 

 

It is so frustrating as wolves don't need to do anything different from town. They can throw suspicion on each other, especially on day 1, as who takes that seriously? The only time we really see their intent is who dies, but again is that the most accurate townie or a bluff or a double bluff? 

 

Is Dice pushing for Cairos sus? Turin backing him up, based on posts Zander made? 

 

Andy hasn't explained why she voted for Turin early, not directly even though she has substantiated a very good reason to be suspicious of him. But anyone pointing out suspicious things is suspicious. What do they want us to think?

 

Personally I think you all did it and I'm the only town, lol. 

 

Sticking with Zander for now. 

Who out of the players that have played a lot with Zander suspects Zander for being Zander? Turin? Did you think of anyone else?

 

Crap.. am I starting to agree with Z now?

19 minutes ago, Turin Turambar said:

That should read Sooh has NOT earned a spot in my village. 

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BTW,  I hate my phone keypad. It takes me forever to type because I keep hitting period instead of space so everything gets jumbled together. 

 

Awww buddy lol

Alright, here's where I'm at

 

Town-ish:

Dice

 

Gudrean

Andy

 

Not touching D1: 

Turin

Z

 

Null:

Don

 

Sus:
Heavy

Mills

 

Red flags abound: 

Cairos

 

Unvote

 

Vote Cairos

About the not voting D1 guys

 

Turin seems ok to me so far. No strong pings either way. 

Z is like a hurricane when playing, and he is the same gimmicky villager/minority villager regardless of alignment, so I'm content with not reading him D1. With any luck if he's an actual villager, the scums will take care of him overnight anyway 😛

3 minutes ago, Sooh said:

Wut?

 

1+1=random vote?

6 minutes ago, Sooh said:

Who out of the players that have played a lot with Zander suspects Zander for being Zander? Turin? Did you think of anyone else?

 

Crap.. am I starting to agree with Z now?

 

I'm talking about Turin and Dice being so suspicious of Zander's memes in the first ten minutes of the game. I get we don't have a lot to go at that point, but shoildnt we be reserving judgement until we see a pattern? 

 

That said Zander did choose those memes and subjects deliberately so...