3 minutes ago, Turin Turambar said:

I'm Really confused about both of your stances here. All the wolfy actions RTE has shown throughout the game are nullified by a self vote? I don't really get it. I also don't see how you can say RTE is off the table but Heavy isn't? His meltdown didn't meet your threshold? The way I look at it after being burned by people using it as a ploy is that it has no bearing on how I look at the game thread. I want to help in the moment but no passes given.

#heartlessSoaB

 

It's that plus bouncing on TWTBAW

 

Like also I typically think it's always the right move to lunch the mislunches only CW next day unless claim proof etc 

Just now, Verbal32 said:

 

Let me elaborate.  I was taught this game and mentored by Kivam.  When somebody gets really upset and looks like they want to quit, to me that's too much.  I don't want people that upset, so it impacts my thinking of them.  This is a game about lying, but it's still just a game.  If people look like they are legit upset and want to quit, to lie about that (for me) is outside the spirit of the game.

For clarity I voted for myself partly out of frustration but mostly frustration that it looks like a lot of people here need my flip to happen and can't get past it until that happens. 

 

It will be another mislynch but if it means you play a perfect game after that then I'm happy to take one for the team. 

 

Based on these posts though there seems to be very little chance my lynch gets us any closer. I don't think town deserves to win at all so far. I think our accountability towards all players this game has been poor and disproportionate and play styles are clashing too much and creating too much noise to find wolves. 

5 minutes ago, Turin Turambar said:

I'm Really confused about both of your stances here. All the wolfy actions RTE has shown throughout the game are nullified by a self vote? I don't really get it. I also don't see how you can say RTE is off the table but Heavy isn't? His meltdown didn't meet your threshold? The way I look at it after being burned by people using it as a ploy is that it has no bearing on how I look at the game thread. I want to help in the moment but no passes given.

#heartlessSoaB

 

I very much respect this stance.  I hope you can also respect mine, as it differs slightly, but has the same impact.  If mafia has become a game where we gauge each other's tantrums to see if it's true or not, then this game has passed me by and it's time to really give it up.  I already have kids, I'm not going to read tantrums in games, too.

3 minutes ago, Gudrean said:

you wanna write them for me sir?

You got any more pockets? 

 

Spoiler

 

3 minutes ago, Verbal32 said:

 

Let me elaborate.  I was taught this game and mentored by Kivam.  When somebody gets really upset and looks like they want to quit, to me that's too much.  I don't want people that upset, so it impacts my thinking of them.  This is a game about lying, but it's still just a game.  If people look like they are legit upset and want to quit, to lie about that (for me) is outside the spirit of the game.

Is that meaningfully different from the whole "Coming back was a mistake, return to retirement" posts? It didnt contain a self vote but imo that's just as much AtE.

6 minutes ago, Lenlo said:

Id still like a Dice explanation. I've asked for one all day but no one has given me one, but they are willing to give me crap for apparently not getting something that has never been explained. You want me to understand, have issues that I dont get half your reads? Gimme this one. Cause we both know Zander is not equipped to actually explain this read to anyone.

 

I don't have a specific Dice read, I'm sheeping Zander on it as he's also confirmed town.  And just look at POE options, it's not crazy to have him in there.  Or Turin.  Or you.

4 minutes ago, ReleaseTheEvil said:

 

 

Sure. They can't be any less useful to town as the vast majority of your current posts... 

wolf says what?

7 minutes ago, Gudrean said:

you wanna write them for me sir?

 

You have a very sharp wit, I love it.

1 minute ago, Gudrean said:

wolf says what?

 

3 minutes ago, Gudrean said:

wolf says what?

You could prove me wrong like Cairos did D1

2 minutes ago, ReleaseTheEvil said:

 

Well we can't all be Gud but we can all play a good game. So I'll do me and you do you, K?

3 minutes ago, Verbal32 said:

 

I don't have a specific Dice read, I'm sheeping Zander on it as he's also confirmed town.  And just look at POE options, it's not crazy to have him in there.  Or Turin.  Or you.

I think its crazy to be completely ignoring RTE/Cairos, and I would like more reason than "I'm sheeping". To me, thats not how you find wolves. You're just putting names in a barrel and pulling one out, theres no solve there. Surely you can understand that issue?

5 minutes ago, Lenlo said:

Is that meaningfully different from the whole "Coming back was a mistake, return to retirement" posts? It didnt contain a self vote but imo that's just as much AtE.

 

Let's just drop it.

 

Whoever keeps pushing this is a Wolf....or are you just pushing this because you're a Wolf and Dice and Turin your partners?

 

 

Asking for a friend....... LOLOLOLOLOL 

2 minutes ago, Verbal32 said:

 

I very much respect this stance.  I hope you can also respect mine, as it differs slightly, but has the same impact.  If mafia has become a game where we gauge each other's tantrums to see if it's true or not, then this game has passed me by and it's time to really give it up.  I already have kids, I'm not going to read tantrums in games, too.

I know where your coming from and fair enough, but I think it seems thats what Z has done. RTE is off the table despite what he's done. Heavy is still okay to go for because he struggled and lashed out a different way? I have issues with it but gonna drop it now because it doesn't help solve the game.

4 minutes ago, Lenlo said:

Is that meaningfully different from the whole "Coming back was a mistake, return to retirement" posts? It didnt contain a self vote but imo that's just as much AtE.

 

It was my reaction to gameplay.  You can't count it as AtE because the whole point of AtE is to sway votes.  I'm already cleared.  So it's just my little bit of frustration, yes.

 

So IMO it is meaningfully different, but you are free to disagree and that's cool.

1 minute ago, ReleaseTheEvil said:

You could prove me wrong like Cairos did D1

Yeah I'm not experienced enough to know how to do that just yet. But if you keep coming back and playing I'm sure in a few more games I will do just that. 

5 minutes ago, Verbal32 said:

 

I don't have a specific Dice read, I'm sheeping Zander on it as he's also confirmed town.  And just look at POE options, it's not crazy to have him in there.  Or Turin.  Or you.

 

Lenlo starting to feel a little worried....like maybe the walls are closing in?

1 minute ago, Lenlo said:

I think its crazy to be completely ignoring RTE/Cairos, and I would like more reason than "I'm sheeping". To me, thats not how you find wolves. You're just putting names in a barrel and pulling one out, theres no solve there. Surely you can understand that issue?

 

If a townie sees a confirmed townie confident in a solve, is sheeping them an awful decision?

1 minute ago, Zander? said:

 

Let's just drop it.

 

Whoever keeps pushing this is a Wolf....or are you just pushing this because you're a Wolf and Dice and Turin your partners?

 

 

Asking for a friend....... LOLOLOLOLOL 

>Makes post critiquing poor play and bad attitude

>How dare you point out my/others issues, you must be a wolf

 

Ok. Also actively ignores that all I want on Dice is an actual case.

1 minute ago, Zander? said:

 

Lenlo starting to feel a little worried....like maybe the walls are closing in?

Lenlo is annoyed that half this game have given up and crashed out. You want to make random crap up go ahead, but this is the 2nd time with you and I'm just over it.

2 minutes ago, Turin Turambar said:

I know where your coming from and fair enough, but I think it seems thats what Z has done. RTE is off the table despite what he's done. Heavy is still okay to go for because he struggled and lashed out a different way? I have issues with it but gonna drop it now because it doesn't help solve the game.

 

I never said Heavy is ok to go for, just that I'm considering still based on the null read post as I find that super scummy.  That's all.

2 minutes ago, Verbal32 said:

 

It was my reaction to gameplay.  You can't count it as AtE because the whole point of AtE is to sway votes.  I'm already cleared.  So it's just my little bit of frustration, yes.

 

So IMO it is meaningfully different, but you are free to disagree and that's cool.

 

You know what else is cool?

Spoiler

ZANDER LOLOLOLOLOL 

 

I believe many people have pointed out repeatedly that Dice is playing differently than the last game, which I am aware you weren't in @Lenlo but it is there.

 

2 minutes ago, Verbal32 said:

 

If a townie sees a confirmed townie confident in a solve, is sheeping them an awful decision?

If neither of you can explain the read at all, yeah, kinda. But screw it, fine, lets sheep it and see where it goes since you have no desire to lynch Heavy or RTE. 

3 minutes ago, Zander? said:

 

Lenlo starting to feel a little worried....like maybe the walls are closing in?

 

Please, if you don't mind, post a concise case on why you think Dice could be scum.  Try to keep it short and sweet.