1 minute ago, Verbal32 said:

 

So you've probably seen that both Zander and I are taking RTE off the table.  If we are wrong, trust me - that will end up being a self-fulfilling prophecy in that we'd never make that mistake again and it wouldn't be possible to.

 

Heavy is partially in the same boat, but as a new player is getting a tiny bit of leeway in that maybe still scum?  So let's say Heavy can stay in the POE for argument's sake.

 

Cairos is not very active, and we just don't have time to policy lynch based on activity.  

 

So who else (maybe 2 more players?) would you be willing to add into the WTL for today, assuming Cairos and RTE are not allowed?  Humor me, please.

I'll repeat that I think the complete and total refusal to look into RTE is going to lose us the game, because it's not based on any actual in game information but personal feelings/dislike. I'd also repeat that my read of Cairos is not one based on inactivity, but on his interactions with RTE. It's not a policy lynch from me.

 

Anyways barring RTE/Heavy, I'd go Dice, then Gud, then Turin in that order. The order matters because after removing the ones you mentioned, there are only 3 people left in the game, so I figured order would make that make more sense.

 

1. @HeavyHalfMoonBlade - Accepted PoE by you

2. @Gudrean

3. @Zander? Town Watcher Claimed

4. @Cass BLUE - Town Original Watcher. Lynched D1

5. @ReleaseTheEvil - Off the table by you

6. @Cairos - Off the table by you

7. @Turin Turambar

8. @dicetosser1

9. @Shad_ GREEN - Town Vanilla. Killed Night 1

10. @Lenlo Me Hi

11. @Verbal32 Vig Claimed

23 minutes ago, Lenlo said:

the only person who I think has an actual justifiable reason for voting me atm is Verb

 

I missed this when I was multiquoting.  For reference, this is what scum!Verbal would say in this position.  Town!Verbal would fire back and try to completely remove the "reason".

 

I know that's just me, and you're a different player.  I'm just commenting on something that pings in my head when I see it.

2 hours ago, Verbal32 said:

 

 

 

 

Weird vibe.  It didn't feel like busting his chops - it felt more like you walking back your comments.  Which makes no sense because you know he's cleared, but still.....weird vibe.

 

 

 

 

Agree with losing to the other 3.  And on the WTL.

 

 

 

 

In retrospect, I don't think I was as crazy suspicious and obvious as Lenlo makes it seem.  I was misplaying, yes, but there was still a counterwagon and some of the votes on me weren't super confident.

 

I think Lenlo overplayed his hand there, honestly.  If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, and I'll apologize to Lenlo after the game.

Verb, if you can't see that I was joking about the entire thing,I just don't know what to tell you. Just the fact I posted it AFTER HE WAS LOCKED AS TOWN should make it obvious. You can think me many things but I don't think dumb is ever one of them. Maybe I am though 🤔. 

I don't really agree on the reason people refuse to look at me but given I'm town I'll take it...

3 minutes ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

This is behaviour consistent with someone in their second game?

 

I don't care that it's your second game my guy, new people have just as much a chance of rolling wolf as old people. Your time in the game doesnt matter, wolfy moves are still wolfy moves. Should I just ignore tells because you're new and don't know they are tells yet?

 

3 minutes ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

 

I don't see that I was misrepresenting anything. I feel like you are trying to deflect the issue, that your suspicions of me are paper thin. 

 

But of course I would think that. But in the interest of Town I'm trying to meet you halfway here. 

Well, I tried. You say you want to meet me half way here, but you're refusing to accept one of my core issues.

2 minutes ago, Lenlo said:

I'll repeat that I think the complete and total refusal to look into RTE is going to lose us the game, because it's not based on any actual in game information but personal feelings/dislike. I'd also repeat that my read of Cairos is not one based on inactivity, but on his interactions with RTE. It's not a policy lynch from me.

 

This is absolutely fair, but look at it from my POV.  I'm saying RTE is town, so would that negate the interaction-read between RTE and Cairos?  If RTE was mod-confirmed town right this second, would that change your read on Cairos?

2 minutes ago, Verbal32 said:

 

I missed this when I was multiquoting.  For reference, this is what scum!Verbal would say in this position.  Town!Verbal would fire back and try to completely remove the "reason".

 

I know that's just me, and you're a different player.  I'm just commenting on something that pings in my head when I see it.

Imo, with the time we have left for the day, I saw more merit in addressing the weaker reasons for players I see as scummy voting me than I did in starting an argument with a confirmed town. If I make it to D3, I'll gladly try to do that. But I didn't want to bog the thread down arguing with our confirmed vig when I could focus on players I find scummy.

1 minute ago, Verbal32 said:

 

This is absolutely fair, but look at it from my POV.  I'm saying RTE is town, so would that negate the interaction-read between RTE and Cairos?  If RTE was mod-confirmed town right this second, would that change your read on Cairos?

Yes, if I accept the premise that "RTE is Town, mod confirmed", that would change how I interpret their past interactions.

Official Vote Count

 

RTE - 2 (Dice, Turin)

DICE - 4 (Zander, RTE, Cairos, Lenlo)

LENLO - 3 (Gudrean, Heavy, Verbal)

 

Not Voting: 

 

This is a Deadline Game. This means whoever has the most votes as Deadline will be Lynched. Don't be shouting at me to do multi vote counts. If there is a Tie, RandomOrg will decide between the players on the Lead Trains. It's in your interest to not leave Lynches up to chance.

 

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1 minute ago, Verbal32 said:

 

This is absolutely fair, but look at it from my POV.  I'm saying RTE is town, so would that negate the interaction-read between RTE and Cairos?  If RTE was mod-confirmed town right this second, would that change your read on Cairos?

 

Verb I have an yucky feeling in my tummy.

 

2 things we need to discuss....I'm starting to really waver on RTE like bad and thinking the worst is maybe what happened.  Not like 100% but ya it's there.  And second and maybe lolme but does Wolf!Lenlo put in this much work/effort/fight?!?!?

1 minute ago, Zander? said:

 

Verb I have an yucky feeling in my tummy.

 

2 things we need to discuss....I'm starting to really waver on RTE like bad and thinking the worst is maybe what happened.  Not like 100% but ya it's there.  And second and maybe lolme but does Wolf!Lenlo put in this much work/effort/fight?!?!?

 

Just thinking...are we over thinking this and it's like just Turin Dice and some RTE or insert someone else maybe?

2 minutes ago, Lenlo said:

I don't care that it's your second game my guy, new people have just as much a chance of rolling wolf as old people. Your time in the game doesnt matter, wolfy moves are still wolfy moves. Should I just ignore tells because you're new and don't know they are tells yet?

 

Well, I tried. You say you want to meet me half way here, but you're refusing to accept one of my core issues.

Your core issue is that I am deliberately misrepresenting you. I don't think I am. 

 

I pointed out before I felt a smoking gun was when you, then RTE, jumped on Cass for changing her vote. Given the hindsight that both Verbal (who she took her vote off) and her were Town, doesn't that make you look bad? Is that not much more specifically using "pre-flip" information that directly lead to Cass's lynching? Even when it was proven that her moving her vote from lock clear Verbal, was not in any way wolfy? 

 

By what standard did me talking about my fears and suspicions, that showed no preknowlwdge and did not lead to the lynching of a townie, more suspicious than anyone else's EoD1, specifically yours? If you were so OK with lynching RTE, why not just move to that train? I cannot see how your criticism of me stands up. 

1 minute ago, Zander? said:

 

Verb I have an yucky feeling in my tummy.

 

2 things we need to discuss....I'm starting to really waver on RTE like bad and thinking the worst is maybe what happened.  Not like 100% but ya it's there.  And second and maybe lolme but does Wolf!Lenlo put in this much work/effort/fight?!?!?

 

Then it's a self-fulfilling prophecy like I said, and it can't ever happen again.

 

And yes, Lenlo would put in this much effort, because it's currently "easy effort"  Arguing semantics with Heavy without having to ISO people or fight wars on multiple fronts isn't that hard for a seasoned player like him.

 

Also:

 

RTE - 2 (Dice, Turin)

DICE - 4 (Zander, RTE, Cairos, Lenlo)

LENLO - 3 (Gudrean, Heavy, Verbal)

 

Do we really think Dice & Turin, 2 players in our POE, are bussing at this point in the game?  Same for the Cairos/Lenlo vote on Dice.  I don't see bussing at this point - I see a scum team trying to secure a town mislynch and put us in mylo.

....which give me pause on Dice & Lenlo as scum together.  I'm not sure bussing here would be the right play for scum.

Just now, Verbal32 said:

 

Then it's a self-fulfilling prophecy like I said, and it can't ever happen again.

 

And yes, Lenlo would put in this much effort, because it's currently "easy effort"  Arguing semantics with Heavy without having to ISO people or fight wars on multiple fronts isn't that hard for a seasoned player like him.

 

Also:

 

RTE - 2 (Dice, Turin)

DICE - 4 (Zander, RTE, Cairos, Lenlo)

LENLO - 3 (Gudrean, Heavy, Verbal)

 

Do we really think Dice & Turin, 2 players in our POE, are bussing at this point in the game?  Same for the Cairos/Lenlo vote on Dice.  I don't see bussing at this point - I see a scum team trying to secure a town mislynch and put us in mylo.

 

Ok on Lenlo it's was purely his effort that's kept me not PoEing him awhile ago.

 

Yes tho about them bussing but ofc if Lenlo a Wolf moot point I suppose lol

 

So Dice Lenlo Turin?

54 minutes ago, ReleaseTheEvil said:

But they aren't tied now... So I don't get your point?

He is trying to show his thoughts and be consistent if he should decide to.move a EoD. He thinks Dice is.mafia. Knows the case isn't super strong but still can't shake the feeling. That's my take anyway.

1 minute ago, Verbal32 said:

 

Then it's a self-fulfilling prophecy like I said, and it can't ever happen again.

ngl, I really hate this. You're just washing your hands of the game and accepting a loss off of something multiple people have done this game.

 

1 minute ago, Verbal32 said:

 

And yes, Lenlo would put in this much effort, because it's currently "easy effort"  Arguing semantics with Heavy without having to ISO people or fight wars on multiple fronts isn't that hard for a seasoned player like him.

Is that not what I'm doing as I'm interacting with you and Dice? Also "seasoned" my guy I havent played for like 7-8 years.

 

1 minute ago, Verbal32 said:

 

Also:

 

RTE - 2 (Dice, Turin)

DICE - 4 (Zander, RTE, Cairos, Lenlo)

LENLO - 3 (Gudrean, Heavy, Verbal)

 

Do we really think Dice & Turin, 2 players in our POE, are bussing at this point in the game?  Same for the Cairos/Lenlo vote on Dice.  I don't see bussing at this point - I see a scum team trying to secure a town mislynch and put us in mylo.

Then why not vote dice with me? You say that Me/Cairos vote on dice is trying to secure a mislynch, but in the same breath say Dice/Turin are in your PoE with us. So why not clear that up, and let me work towards a solve, rather than filling half your votes with people who just dont like me personally.

1 minute ago, Verbal32 said:

....which give me pause on Dice & Lenlo as scum together.  I'm not sure bussing here would be the right play for scum.

 

They know they still gotta deal with you tomorrow.  I was a minority Villa with Cory Lenlo and Dice....they will bus.  It's not like a favorite or first play but it's definitely possible....not even  just slightly possible but ya it could be happening here especially where they know they're our top 2 candidates today.

2 minutes ago, Turin Turambar said:

He is trying to show his thoughts and be consistent if he should decide to.move a EoD. He thinks Dice is.mafia. Knows the case isn't super strong but still can't shake the feeling. That's my take anyway.

Lol the most obvious Wolf answer ever lololololol

1 minute ago, Zander? said:

 

They know they still gotta deal with you tomorrow.  I was a minority Villa with Cory Lenlo and Dice....they will bus.  It's not like a favorite or first play but it's definitely possible....not even  just slightly possible but ya it could be happening here especially where they know they're our top 2 candidates today.

Buddy every time you bring up that game I have to remind you that I didn't want that bus. That was all you.

3 minutes ago, Turin Turambar said:

He is trying to show his thoughts and be consistent if he should decide to.move a EoD. He thinks Dice is.mafia. Knows the case isn't super strong but still can't shake the feeling. That's my take anyway.

 

Like if Turin a Wolf he just spewed RTE clear imho.

Just now, Lenlo said:

Buddy every time you bring up that game I have to remind you that I didn't want that bus. That was all you.

 

My idea yes.   But you still agreed to do it lol

4 minutes ago, Lenlo said:

ngl, I really hate this. You're just washing your hands of the game and accepting a loss off of something multiple people have done this game.

 

Is that not what I'm doing as I'm interacting with you and Dice? Also "seasoned" my guy I havent played for like 7-8 years.

 

Then why not vote dice with me? You say that Me/Cairos vote on dice is trying to secure a mislynch, but in the same breath say Dice/Turin are in your PoE with us. So why not clear that up, and let me work towards a solve, rather than filling half your votes with people who just dont like me personally.

 

You're agruement for yourself against season completely 100% contradicts your Cairo's defense from me saying new players and you being lol Cairo's ain't new...lol. I know you're gonna argue this and prolly sound better but I see you clearly now Lenlo... lol 

1 minute ago, Zander? said:

 

You're agruement for yourself against season completely 100% contradicts your Cairo's defense from me saying new players and you being lol Cairo's ain't new...lol. I know you're gonna argue this and prolly sound better but I see you clearly now Lenlo... lol 

What? I don't know how often Cairos has played since then?