2 minutes ago, Cairos said:

Sorry for not being around. RL stuff does happen. Been in the hospital after coming back from NYC and still in the hospital. 

I am really sorry to hear that. You should be replaced in that case @Ithillian Turambar

I hope you feel better soon and can get home shortly 

Just an aside and not relevant now, but Andy buddying Dice in PM was a real out of game indicator that he was town. Andy had already played as a wolf, to be mentored by Dice, he had to pretty much to be 100% town. Shame I didn't see this earlier, though not sure that should count and as I wasn't voting Dice perhaps it is moot. 

16 minutes ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

If RTE was town, why would the three wolves not have hammered you? We aren't talking suspicions. We are talking objective fact. At least one of you is a wolf, or the wolves don't want to win, or something like Cairos cannot make it online at a set time so they are waiting, but seems unlikely. And we will lose as soon as they are online at the same time. 

Oh my dog! I know what your saying. The signs all point to him as mafia. Why have I been pushing so hard? Why am I willing to let you go for Len first? What I'm saying is that I have been absolutely certain many times and ended up wrong. Maybe the wolves are waiting to make it look like he is mafia. Len could orchestrate that. He is cunning enough. I'm saying that although  every fibre of my being screams he.is definitely mafia,  in some strange set of circumstances I COULD BE WRONG.

3 minutes ago, ReleaseTheEvil said:

I am really sorry to hear that. You should be replaced in that case @Ithillian Turambar

I think he means at work, right @Cairos?

4 minutes ago, ReleaseTheEvil said:

You don't make sense. If I am town how do I know I sided with a wolf? And how many townie have this game considering we haven't found a wolf? Why am I any more culpable than anyone else? I didn't gaslight Zander and I am sure he would say the same. 

Why in a game where you don't know you is a wolf would you back up a player without knowing their alignment? As town, you would have realized that you could have been making things difficult for your own side of Lenlo had randed wolf. But you have spent considerable time and effort bigging up Lenlo in everyone's eyes. 

Clearly if you feel that I should be replaced because of my inactivity to post so be it due to RL problems. I understand that you can post while you do your things RTE. very mafia wolf for trying to have people sub out or lynch for inactivity. I’m here now and will try to help figure this game out. I’m willing to vote Len or RTE still. 

Why in a game where you don't know who is a wolf... 

 

Sorry 

@Gudrean no I’m not at work. I’m in the hospital sick. 

4 minutes ago, Gudrean said:

I think he means at work, right @Cairos?

Ooooh oops. 

2 minutes ago, Cairos said:

@Gudrean no I’m not at work. I’m in the hospital sick. 

Awww I'm sorry hun, I hope you get better quickly. You want me to go beat up that mean NYC that made you sick? I'll totally do it brother.

3 minutes ago, Cairos said:

@Gudrean no I’m not at work. I’m in the hospital sick. 

So sorry to hear that, Dude. I hope you are better soon. 

6 minutes ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

As long as everyone town votes Lenlo, that is fine. Don't understand why I have to be a counter train, unless you mean Lenlo is already voting for me. 

By Verb's logic (and yours) there is exactly 1 mafia in each voting pair, because otherwise a mafia pile on would have happened. There is a possibility that there is a mafia voting another in a big gambit. I know this isn't the case in my situation. I am doubtful it is in yours. Therefore,  we must lynch within the voting pair. One of the two is mafia. I believe this is why you are certain Len is mafia. 

 

Does that make sense?

7 minutes ago, Cairos said:

Clearly if you feel that I should be replaced because of my inactivity to post so be it due to RL problems. I understand that you can post while you do your things RTE. very mafia wolf for trying to have people sub out or lynch for inactivity. I’m here now and will try to help figure this game out. I’m willing to vote Len or RTE still. 

If you feel you can play then sure. 

 

Replacing you as scum with someone new would be even worse for town 

8 minutes ago, Turin Turambar said:

Oh my dog! I know what your saying. The signs all point to him as mafia. Why have I been pushing so hard? Why am I willing to let you go for Len first? What I'm saying is that I have been absolutely certain many times and ended up wrong. Maybe the wolves are waiting to make it look like he is mafia. Len could orchestrate that. He is cunning enough. I'm saying that although  every fibre of my being screams he.is definitely mafia,  in some strange set of circumstances I COULD BE WRONG.

So... You are saying the wolves could be refusing to win the game, so they can make a town player look bad so they have a slightly better chance of winning the game. Rather than win the game in one stroke. 

 

That is your logic? Can you maybe see a tiny flaw in it? Potentially, at least. 

 

And if I remember right you said one thing you are not is dumb, so why are you arguing this? 

It’s appendicitis. So gotta take my appendix out now. I’m still willing to play! Town gotta win. So I’m willing to lynch Len if that’s where town wants to vote. I want to help out in any way even though I’m in the hospital. 

10 minutes ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Just an aside and not relevant now, but Andy buddying Dice in PM was a real out of game indicator that he was town. Andy had already played as a wolf, to be mentored by Dice, he had to pretty much to be 100% town. Shame I didn't see this earlier, though not sure that should count and as I wasn't voting Dice perhaps it is moot. 

This is false. And not important at this time. It can be discussed after the game.

8 minutes ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Why in a game where you don't know you is a wolf would you back up a player without knowing their alignment? As town, you would have realized that you could have been making things difficult for your own side of Lenlo had randed wolf. But you have spent considerable time and effort bigging up Lenlo in everyone's eyes. 

Why did Zander back Gud? 

 

This is the double standard Lenlo keeps talking about 

2 minutes ago, ReleaseTheEvil said:

Why did Zander back Gud? 

 

This is the double standard Lenlo keeps talking about 

He didn't it was a joke because she is so wholesome and pure and lovely. It absolutely said nothing about her alignment, it said everything about her soul. 

Just now, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

So... You are saying the wolves could be refusing to win the game, so they can make a town player look bad so they have a slightly better chance of winning the game. Rather than win the game in one stroke. 

 

That is your logic? Can you maybe see a tiny flaw in it? Potentially, at least. 

 

And if I remember right you said one thing you are not is dumb, so why are you arguing this? 

Have you heard of playing with your food? I never said it was logical. I certainly wouldn't do it. I do have to try to consider the possibility.  

 

I believe I have been saying RTE IS A WOLF AND VOTING ACCORDINGLY SINCE DAY 1. So there is that.

7 minutes ago, Cairos said:

It’s appendicitis. So gotta take my appendix out now. I’m still willing to play! Town gotta win. So I’m willing to lynch Len if that’s where town wants to vote. I want to help out in any way even though I’m in the hospital. 

Ahhh I had that done at 14! It sucks. 

 

You will have loads of downtime to play though. 

3 minutes ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

He didn't it was a joke because she is so wholesome and pure and lovely. It absolutely said nothing about her alignment, it said everything about her soul. 

It was absolutely not a joke 

1 minute ago, Turin Turambar said:

Have you heard of playing with your food? I never said it was logical. I certainly wouldn't do it. I do have to try to consider the possibility.  

 

I believe I have been saying RTE IS A WOLF AND VOTING ACCORDINGLY SINCE DAY 1. So there is that.

Well, can you see how a wolf would want maximum confusion and uncertainty, so even in a situation where there were certainties if you make assumptions, they would claim it wasn't certain? 

 

Like if we believe you are town, we still cannot be certain RTE is a wolf. But logic states if you are town, RTE is a wolf. If RTE is town, you are a wolf. Or you both are. 

 

It is very wolfy that you are muddying the water. 

1 minute ago, ReleaseTheEvil said:

It was absolutely not a joke 

Wordless. 

 

Sure, whatever. 

3 minutes ago, ReleaseTheEvil said:

Why did Zander back Gud? 

 

This is the double standard Lenlo keeps talking about 

Because he spent an entire game getting to know me and trusting I was town, which I was. So in this game I felt exactly the same for him, and that's because I am town again. You could say I was trained by him on how to be town and he was watching me play the same. I'm just following in his footsteps as to how to be town.