17 minutes ago, Zander? said:

 

I'm not quite sure if it's one or both and if they're the same or different if the town player with the PR dies. But iirc it's a x 1 vig shot which is basically a Villager with a NK like a Wolf they can use once per game themselves and hopefully try and kill a Wolf and not a Villager.  A watcher chooses a target and sees if that player visits another player.  So in this game if the watcher chose the Wolf who submitted the NK who see that player visit the person the killed and know they're a Wolf.  Only issue with Watcher is if we have both the Watcher and a Vig and he choose the Vig and would look the same as the Wolf submitting the NK but he only sees he visited that person but not their alignment like a Cop.

No this is wrong. This is what a tracker does. A Watcher  picks a player and gets a report of who visited THAT PLAYER that night. It only gives valuable info if they choose the victim of the NK in thus game. The complicated part is it might be the vig or a mafioso, or both.

18 minutes ago, Lenlo said:

Yes, and there's at least one high profile game where we did that exact thing to a victory.

 

Yeppers

 

I forgot the name of the game but pretty sure Cory and Dice were also residents of the Minority Village with Len and I.

13 minutes ago, Turin Turambar said:

Does this ring as a town response by Zander?

 

Hate to agree with him here, but it is NAI right now.  That said, I think he's painted himself into a corner with Lenlo and I do think we should lynch in that duo for D1.

 

 

 

13 minutes ago, ReleaseTheEvil said:

 

But with these roles, watcher will only tell us who visited someone if that person died. And the person who visited them could be mafia or vigilante, and not clear to me if we'd know what the person's role was, or just who person that visited was.

 

We should be able to piece it together reasonably well.  For example, if the mafia and vig both shoot, the vig would likely reveal that next day and we could use that info properly.  Scum would be unlikely to counter as it would be easy to just lynch them and test.

2 minutes ago, Turin Turambar said:

No this is wrong. This is what a tracker does. A Watcher  picks a player and gets a report of who visited THAT PLAYER that night. It only gives valuable info if they choose the victim of the NK in thus game. The complicated part is it might be the vig or a mafioso, or both.

 

Wait the Watcher watched themselves?  And if sees I'd someone visits themselves ?  Now I'm confused lololol.

Just now, Zander? said:

 

Wait the Watcher watches themselves?  And if sees if someone visits themselves?  Now I'm confused lololol.

 

FTFM

4 minutes ago, Zander? said:

 

Be Good right?!!?!

 

Lolololol

 

What was that you said to all us in the JN game...Get on you level was it?!?!!  Lololololol. At least I think it was you but definitely sounds like a LolPac quote lololololol 

 

My persona on JN is very different than my persona here.  JN has much less code of conduct rules and we are pretty nasty to each other, but it's done with respect and humor.

 

When that happens here, it gets nasty and nonproductive.  Basically, it's because we're all book nerds here, and JN is a jocky sports site, lol.

3 minutes ago, Verbal32 said:

 

Hate to agree with him here, but it is NAI right now.  That said, I think he's painted himself into a corner with Lenlo and I do think we should lynch in that duo for D1.

 

 

 

 

We should be able to piece it together reasonably well.  For example, if the mafia and vig both shoot, the vig would likely reveal that next day and we could use that info properly.  Scum would be unlikely to counter as it would be easy to just lynch them and test.

 

I don't necessarily hate the thought process here except I know there's a 50% you lunch a Villa and after last game I'm still not yet 100% on Lenlo has he could just be lolTown! but I'm just as sus of RTE fishing as Len ATP.  

2 minutes ago, Verbal32 said:

 

My persona on JN is very different than my persona here.  JN has much less code of conduct rules and we are pretty nasty to each other, but it's done with respect and humor.

 

When that happens here, it gets nasty and nonproductive.  Basically, it's because we're all book nerds here, and JN is a jocky sports site, lol.

 

JN, blast from the past as well

Clarified the Watcher role in the OP.

2 minutes ago, Zander? said:

 

I don't necessarily hate the thought process here except I know there's a 50% you lunch a Villa and after last game I'm still not yet 100% on Lenlo has he could just be lolTown! but I'm just as sus of RTE fishing as Len ATP.  

 

Those aren't bad odds for D1, broseph.

Good clarification, slightly less useful now but can still make it work I'm sure.

1 hour ago, ReleaseTheEvil said:

I probably shouldn't be asking this, but Zander I don't remember where but did you also hint at you being the vigilante? Something about a gun. 

 

While I don't want the mafia to know who the vigilante is, I'd rather we didn't lynch them D1 before they could shoot N1. Besides, if you aren't scum, would be stupid for mafia to kill you.

 

Nowhere did I breadcrumb a Vig shot, I literally said I'm not sure if it's Watcher or Vig or Both the only thing I can think of for you're fishing is the Batman post, gif and reference maybe?

 

I think I joked about if Dice had a gun shed definitely shoot me tonight but I don't recall if that was pregame or not.

1 minute ago, Ithillian Turambar said:

Clarified the Watcher role in the OP.

 

I have a question on that role.  If the watcher "watches" a scum team member, will they see that person visit another for the scum team's factional NK?  Does the scum team pick a player to perform the NK and the watcher can only get info by watching that specific scum team member?

 

 

2 minutes ago, Zander? said:

 

Nowhere did I breadcrumb a Vig shot, I literally said I'm not sure if it's Watcher or Vig or Both the only thing I can think of for you're fishing is the Batman post, gif and reference maybe?

 

I think I joked about if Dice had a gun shed definitely shoot me tonight but I don't recall if that was pregame or not.

 

This is where ISOing you becomes a chore that most won't bother with.  It lets you skate on  stuff you've said previously, which also tends to make people want you dead early (i.e. less work later, heh).

 

Just sayin'.

1 minute ago, Verbal32 said:

 

I have a question on that role.  If the watcher "watches" a scum team member, will they see that person visit another for the scum team's factional NK?  Does the scum team pick a player to perform the NK and the watcher can only get info by watching that specific scum team member?

 

 

I just checked Watcher and it says

 

 

• Each night phase, you may choose a player in the game to watch. You will see which players target them (if anybody).

Just now, Verbal32 said:

 

Those aren't bad odds for D1, broseph.

 

Nope I agree hence I said I don't necessarily disagree but if RTE is included in ok risking sacrificing myself for Town against my 2 top Wolf reads I guess.  Tho obv bias I truly tend to get a bit better once I see flips and can use Wagonomics so I'd like to make it to day 2.  Guess we'll see how things shake out 

1 minute ago, Ithillian Turambar said:

I just checked Watcher and it says

 

 

• Each night phase, you may choose a player in the game to watch. You will see which players target them (if anybody).

 

Crap, I swapped watcher & tracker.  Ok, if the watcher watches player X, who is scum, how will their results play out?  Does the factional NK contain only 1 person at random from the scum team, or do they nominate who will show on any watch?

3 minutes ago, Verbal32 said:

 

This is where ISOing you becomes a chore that most won't bother with.  It lets you skate on  stuff you've said previously, which also tends to make people want you dead early (i.e. less work later, heh).

 

Just sayin'.

 

Agree with most of this. Dead early a bit strong, but you make playing harder with the way you post tbh

Just now, ReleaseTheEvil said:

 

Agree with most of this. Dead early a bit strong, but you make playing harder with the way you post tbh

 

The dead early thing may contain my personal bias, heh.

Hi guys. Sorry was at work all night in the ER and it was super busy and tons of sick people. I was catching up with 5-6 pages. I’ll be more around later. Got 1 hr drive home and gotta sleep. 

Just now, Verbal32 said:

 

Crap, I swapped watcher & tracker.  Ok, if the watcher watches player X, who is scum, how will their results play out?  Does the factional NK contain only 1 person at random from the scum team, or do they nominate who will show on any watch?

The person who submits the Night Action request will be the person who is seen.

3 minutes ago, Zander? said:

 

Nope I agree hence I said I don't necessarily disagree but if RTE is included in ok risking sacrificing myself for Town against my 2 top Wolf reads I guess.  Tho obv bias I truly tend to get a bit better once I see flips and can use Wagonomics so I'd like to make it to day 2.  Guess we'll see how things shake out 

 

This post was your first that really gave me townie feels. Self preservation, indication you can do better in the future, etc etc

2 minutes ago, Verbal32 said:

 

This is where ISOing you becomes a chore that most won't bother with.  It lets you skate on  stuff you've said previously, which also tends to make people want you dead early (i.e. less work later, heh).

 

Just sayin'.

 

Shrug again you know yourself it's NAI at best I've always been a super high poster as both alignments.  There's other tells to read me by.bit obviously me saying them means nothing here but fwiw I high oost as either alignment but I'm a actually trying to solve, to I seems legitimately paranoid and anyone can post alot in bursts if they so choose but how much time I'm actually spending in the thread is a tell.   As town I almost always have this open, hardly sleep, watch as close to everything I can see try to be caught up and interact.  Again I know this is not worth much from me but maybe if it doesn't make sense to any Villagers this game they'll remember moving forward.  

3 minutes ago, Verbal32 said:

 

Crap, I swapped watcher & tracker.  Ok, if the watcher watches player X, who is scum, how will their results play out?  Does the factional NK contain only 1 person at random from the scum team, or do they nominate who will show on any watch?

 

So I was right?!?!?!!

Just now, Zander? said:

 

So was I right?!?!?!!

FTFM