24 minutes ago, Gudrean said:

Feel it, know it, believe it! I am all Gud. 😊

 

Originally read that I am All God lololokol

18 minutes ago, Cairos said:

I was at work and had some downtime to read and catch up. Even though it was busy, I had time to read. Why being so defensive?

 

Because between you prolly at least a Wolf.  Tho your post I quoted did feel Villagery homie.  If you're Town this game and trying to figure stuffs out.  Just share your takes on the players and ask questions and don't fret it.  If you're a Wolf again ..... I still hate you and DIAF lololololol 

33 minutes ago, Zander? said:

 

You used big words and confused the Zander and I didn't understand what you were saying so tried explaining it in Zanderese lolololol

 

Also you wolfing Verb?!?!?!  

 

 

 

Like as I type this sitting in Gud's pocket I may be a tad bias lol but to those who played last game with her I'm not imagining this right?  This is pretty much the same as last game I'm seeing right?

 

What does me being nitpicky on verbiage have to do with being scum?

 

 

 

32 minutes ago, Gudrean said:

I did a quick look through of ALL the pages just looking for posts from you and I could not find anything about me so I have mixed you up yet again with another player. My sincere apologies Sir Verbal!

 

However, is it at all possible when you made the post about the possible scum and left a spot open with ??? it was because you know who the 3 are and didn't want to out your teammates? At least maybe you outed one for continuity but added a townie and left ??? for the third? Just asking 😇

 

The post with the ??? was because I know there are 3 scum and I only listed 2 potentials....so the 3rd is a complete unknown and therefore reflected with a ???

Town?

Zander 

Lenlo

 

1 is scum newbies*

Cass

Cairo

Gudrean

 

1 is scum oldies

Dice

Turin

Verbal 

 

Null

Shad 

Heavy

 

I think heavy was playing bad rather than playing scummy early on. They are just new. Could be scum but too early to say.

 

Tbh I feel pretty good about the 3 being among the 6. But if you want me to pick another, then Shad. Doing a lot of posting without offering a lot of their own info about their views and reads. 

 

*I realise nor actually DM or even Mafia noobs in some cases but it's the name I'm going with. 

 

Also using they/their because can't remember everyone's sex and actually thought heavy was female when they joked about being a simple gal earlier 😂 

20 minutes ago, ReleaseTheEvil said:

Something feels very insincere about the people being too nice and trusting of each other. Feels like it is rubbing me the wrong way. The falling over themselves to try to clear each other and trust each other to the death sorta deal. 

 

Being Town required a player to do 3 things all equally important IMHO 

 

1. ) Town Tell, make it easy as you possible can for other Villagers to feel your Town.

 

2). Find Townies, if you're a Villager your reads can be hella wrong.... believe me I know very well from personal experience lol and having players you feel you can trust can help you.

 

3.) Without an iota of mercy or care of decency.... Painfully and Brutally find, stalk, hunt and hang Wolves.

2 minutes ago, Verbal32 said:

 

The post with the ??? was because I know there are 3 scum and I only listed 2 potentials....so the 3rd is a complete unknown and therefore reflected with a ???

*nod nod*

1 minute ago, Zander? said:

 

Being Town required a player to do 3 things all equally important IMHO 

 

1. ) Town Tell, make it easy as you possible can for other Villagers to feel your Town.

 

2). Find Townies, if you're a Villager your reads can be hella wrong.... believe me I know very well from personal experience lol and having players you feel you can trust can help you.

 

3.) Without an iota of mercy or care of decency.... Painfully and Brutally find, stalk, hunt and hang Wolves.

Besides point 1 which admittedly I'm doing a poor job of myself, not sure how this relates. 

 

Number 2 at this point of the game is mostly guesswork unless you're scum and then can confidently say who's town 

23 minutes ago, ReleaseTheEvil said:

Something feels very insincere about the people being too nice and trusting of each other. Feels like it is rubbing me the wrong way. The falling over themselves to try to clear each other and trust each other to the death sorta deal. 

 

Regardless of your alignment this game, what you see is a fundamental difference in how the game is played.  You and I come from a time when wagonomics and analysis (obv useless D1) was the primary driving force on scumhunting.  You can see this method work wonders in the first few seasons of the mafia championship.

 

Then a newer crowd came in and played differently.  I'm not saying it's better or worse, just different.  That's where the "lock clear" and "D1 pass" and "tone" come from.  For a player like me, it's impossible to align with that type of alternative style, and it always rubs me the wrong way.

 

All that said, that's a me problem, and maybe doesn't apply to you.  Part of the reason I'm playing again is I'm trying to better understand and work with this other style that I admittedly hate so much.  I'm too stubborn and I'm trying to fix that.

1 minute ago, Verbal32 said:

 

Regardless of your alignment this game, what you see is a fundamental difference in how the game is played.  You and I come from a time when wagonomics and analysis (obv useless D1) was the primary driving force on scumhunting.  You can see this method work wonders in the first few seasons of the mafia championship.

 

Then a newer crowd came in and played differently.  I'm not saying it's better or worse, just different.  That's where the "lock clear" and "D1 pass" and "tone" come from.  For a player like me, it's impossible to align with that type of alternative style, and it always rubs me the wrong way.

 

All that said, that's a me problem, and maybe doesn't apply to you.  Part of the reason I'm playing again is I'm trying to better understand and work with this other style that I admittedly hate so much.  I'm too stubborn and I'm trying to fix that.

Really well put. 

 

It's just the second style seems like it has nothing to do with the game at hand and everything to do with personal friendships and relationships and potentially based on meta from other games, the last one being what I would consider the only relevant thing (and doesn't need the friendship to work) 

27 minutes ago, Zander? said:

 

Only for today homie if it's that exact scenario.  I've done ok enough reading Shad historically just takes a couple phases lolololol.   D1 is EBOLAIDS as you know.  I need flips, Wagonomics, spew etc to really start making sense of it all.  I always take that going into D2. ( Providing in still alive lol). And reevaluate if necessary.

 

I like this answer, thank you.

26 minutes ago, Gudrean said:

Yes Ma'am I am.  Don't have any evidence but not sold on a Verbal town yet. Time will tell

and even tho I don't want Cairos to be wolf I am not sold on his township just yet.

I might also be letting the exciting posts of z/L make my judgements of Lenlo fuzzy. 

 

XD Got room in that pocket? I won't take it, but it looks semi-comfy from here so far XD

 z/L 'exciting' and 'fuzzy' how? (and is the lower case/capital specific)? 

 

NB/People correct me if I'm wrong, but Verb's meta = a pretty 'even'/'balanced' player, tone-evidence-wise, and Lenlo's = often fuzzy, so glgl to us all here.
 

4 minutes ago, ReleaseTheEvil said:

Really well put. 

 

It's just the second style seems like it has nothing to do with the game at hand and everything to do with personal friendships and relationships and potentially based on meta from other games, the last one being what I would consider the only relevant thing (and doesn't need the friendship to work) 

 

Don't let yourself fall into the trap of thinking the second style doesn't work, or isn't well-informed.  I did that at first, and players like Cory and Clov showed me it can be done well (just like the older style).  Maybe things improve with time, who knows.  Maybe my method is outdated and I need to adopt a different style.  I know guys like Shad and AJ then came and kicked some @$$ with that second style and won plenty of games.  So it works.

15 minutes ago, ReleaseTheEvil said:

Town?

Zander 

Lenlo

 

1 is scum newbies*

Cass

Cairo

Gudrean

 

1 is scum oldies

Dice

Turin

Verbal 

 

Null

Shad 

Heavy

 

I think heavy was playing bad rather than playing scummy early on. They are just new. Could be scum but too early to say.

 

Tbh I feel pretty good about the 3 being among the 6. But if you want me to pick another, then Shad. Doing a lot of posting without offering a lot of their own info about their views and reads. 

 

*I realise nor actually DM or even Mafia noobs in some cases but it's the name I'm going with. 

 

Also using they/their because can't remember everyone's sex and actually thought heavy was female when they joked about being a simple gal earlier 😂 

 

@ReleaseTheEvil

15 minutes ago, ReleaseTheEvil said:

Town?

Zander 

Lenlo

 

1 is scum newbies*

Cass

Cairo

Gudrean

 

1 is scum oldies

Dice

Turin

Verbal 

 

Null

Shad 

Heavy

 

I think heavy was playing bad rather than playing scummy early on. They are just new. Could be scum but too early to say.

 

Tbh I feel pretty good about the 3 being among the 6. But if you want me to pick another, then Shad. Doing a lot of posting without offering a lot of their own info about their views and reads. 

 

*I realise nor actually DM or even Mafia noobs in some cases but it's the name I'm going with. 

 

Also using they/their because can't remember everyone's sex and actually thought heavy was female when they joked about being a simple gal earlier 😂 

 

@ReleaseTheEvil pg 37 3rd post from Top 

 

Believe me I've noted it. I waited to wait and see people interact with it and their posts.  And who doesn't Because there's a few players particularly I'm wondering if and how and what they say irt this.

2 minutes ago, Verbal32 said:

 

Don't let yourself fall into the trap of thinking the second style doesn't work, or isn't well-informed.  I did that at first, and players like Cory and Clov showed me it can be done well (just like the older style).  Maybe things improve with time, who knows.  Maybe my method is outdated and I need to adopt a different style.  I know guys like Shad and AJ then came and kicked some @$$ with that second style and won plenty of games.  So it works.

I guess I just don't understand how it works unless you all know each other and your playstyles really well 🤷 otherwise how do you not chalk it up to some luck? 

3 minutes ago, Cass said:

 

XD Got room in that pocket? I won't take it, but it looks semi-comfy from here so far XD

 z/L 'exciting' and 'fuzzy' how? (and is the lower case/capital specific)? 

 

NB/People correct me if I'm wrong, but Verb's meta = a pretty 'even'/'balanced' player, tone-evidence-wise, and Lenlo's = often fuzzy, so glgl to us all here.
 

 

I'm curious about the case syntax as well there.  And for me, I have no idea what my meta would be now - it's been too long.  I think I used to be better at being scum/3p, and barely average at being town.  I'd venture that I'm probably average now as scum, and pretty crap at being town now, heh.

1 minute ago, ReleaseTheEvil said:

I guess I just don't understand how it works unless you all know each other and your playstyles really well 🤷 otherwise how do you not chalk it up to some luck? 

 

We're playing the game that's literally referred to as an internet game of Guess Who.  heh

1 hour ago, Verbal32 said:

@Shad_

 

Scenario:  there are 2 players, and you think one of them is potentially scum.  You plan to lynch one and cop the other.  Good or bad idea?

 

(don't take this game's roles into consideration - only the scenario above, please)

 

Better to kill both of them if neither improve.

 

I'm of the opinion cop peeks belong in the middle of the pack.  Let's say it's getting close to end of D2 and at this point there are two players you are dead convinced that short of an award winning performance have to be villagers and two more player who you think are likely wolves.  Peek belongs in the four in the middle.  Generally ideal to peek players who you think will not be killed any time soon by either faction.  They're the ones who the late game is contingent on.  If your reads are heavily at odds with thread consensus and your other wolf is part of that middle of the pack collectively, then you can have your cake and eat it too.

@Verbal32 and @ReleaseTheEvil

As a newer player I really don't know what the heck I'm doing so can you guys tell me in the past how exactly would you play the game? I mean to say, what kind of posts should be made D1 and then how would you guys use those posts to have a clue who was who?

 

If you can give verbiage examples that would be great but if not just a thorough description of how it's supposed to go. I'm just winging it so far and trying my best.

22 minutes ago, Verbal32 said:

 

What does me being nitpicky on verbiage have to do with being scum?

 

 

 

 

The post with the ??? was because I know there are 3 scum and I only listed 2 potentials....so the 3rd is a complete unknown and therefore reflected with a ???

 

The post I quoted isn't why asked that.   I've seen a few things this far.....I've also seen you as Town run some plays that I'm like WTF but I wanted you to at least be aware I have some concerns.   Lol 

 

 

17 minutes ago, ReleaseTheEvil said:

Besides point 1 which admittedly I'm doing a poor job of myself, not sure how this relates. 

 

Number 2 at this point of the game is mostly guesswork unless you're scum and then can confidently say who's town 

 

I vehemently disagree with your #2 responses.  As one who attended and graduated from the CCSoHW with a degree in LOLOLOLOLOL'ing, Winning at Crayons 101 and Extreme Villageryness the most important tenant of the school was #2.  I hold Mr. Cory Curren still as the Best Pure Consistent Town player I've ever had the pleasure of playing with and always looked to Town tell and Villas before considering hunting .

@Cass My lower case Z and upper case L was just bad typing or laziness to go back and make both one or the other. My point on the 2 of them was maybe all the excitement of their back and forth made me sus of Lenlo unfairly. I feel Z is town but I could just be hoping it so and so assuming Lenlos call out of Z was scum tactics.

22 minutes ago, Verbal32 said:

 

Regardless of your alignment this game, what you see is a fundamental difference in how the game is played.  You and I come from a time when wagonomics and analysis (obv useless D1) was the primary driving force on scumhunting.  You can see this method work wonders in the first few seasons of the mafia championship.

 

Then a newer crowd came in and played differently.  I'm not saying it's better or worse, just different.  That's where the "lock clear" and "D1 pass" and "tone" come from.  For a player like me, it's impossible to align with that type of alternative style, and it always rubs me the wrong way.

 

All that said, that's a me problem, and maybe doesn't apply to you.  Part of the reason I'm playing again is I'm trying to better understand and work with this other style that I admittedly hate so much.  I'm too stubborn and I'm trying to fix that.

 

Bold 100% agree the best most reliable chance of catching Wolves more often than not. 

Just now, Zander? said:

 

Bold 100% agree the best most reliable chance of catching Wolves more often than not. 

 

Wagonomics, Flips, Spew and Trains always what I look to in solidify my reads. 

3 minutes ago, Zander? said:

 

Wagonomics, Flips, Spew and Trains always what I look to in solidify my reads. 

does this mean who jumps on what bandwagon?

11 minutes ago, Gudrean said:

@Verbal32 and @ReleaseTheEvil

As a newer player I really don't know what the heck I'm doing so can you guys tell me in the past how exactly would you play the game? I mean to say, what kind of posts should be made D1 and then how would you guys use those posts to have a clue who was who?

 

If you can give verbiage examples that would be great but if not just a thorough description of how it's supposed to go. I'm just winging it so far and trying my best.

I guess to me as apparently an old school player you're coming across very innocent and like unintending to offend, with a focus on achieving reciprocal clearance of being deemed to be town and considering some else town. 

 

Basically a bit of trying too hard to be everyone's friend and make yourself look innocent and very light on reads and sharing your own insights. All marred by this being your second game so a lot can easily get chalked up to that, for better or worse

9 minutes ago, Verbal32 said:

 

Regardless of your alignment this game, what you see is a fundamental difference in how the game is played.  You and I come from a time when wagonomics and analysis (obv useless D1) was the primary driving force on scumhunting.  You can see this method work wonders in the first few seasons of the mafia championship.

 

Then a newer crowd came in and played differently.  I'm not saying it's better or worse, just different.  That's where the "lock clear" and "D1 pass" and "tone" come from.  For a player like me, it's impossible to align with that type of alternative style, and it always rubs me the wrong way.

 

All that said, that's a me problem, and maybe doesn't apply to you.  Part of the reason I'm playing again is I'm trying to better understand and work with this other style that I admittedly hate so much.  I'm too stubborn and I'm trying to fix that.

 

6 minutes ago, ReleaseTheEvil said:

Really well put. 

 

It's just the second style seems like it has nothing to do with the game at hand and everything to do with personal friendships and relationships and potentially based on meta from other games, the last one being what I would consider the only relevant thing (and doesn't need the friendship to work) 

 

XD

 

You guys sound like my hubby when we play One Night XD

 

Except he hasn't realised/admitted that the weight of nuances that knowing how a particular person is likely to think/act/react/seem in a particular alignment can really help inform actions a bit more when the odds of mechanics aren't necessarily AI. We have big 'fights' over this, because he'll vote and mislynch/lose games because odds/mechanics say it's possible even when the weight of personality/nuance of historical actions 'outweighs' it... 

 

For example, D1.

 

IIRC, DM game meta secures a D1 wolf lynch significantly beyond the probability of the mechanics/odds that would say it's all highly unlikely? Even in the last game DM game meta was probably the reason Dice, Zander and I were looking at Sooh... 

 

FWIW RTE, I think most of what you're referring to as 'personal friendships and relationships' is essentially 'meta from other games' - there are friendships too, but it's the game knowledge/history that holds the weight, because the personality/friendship stuff is/should be NAI in game - when it isn't, that's when things seem sus/get sucked into tunnels.

 

Glgl XD

 

Also, Zander - please note, again, the tunnel warning XD