1 hour ago, ReleaseTheEvil said:

That's a good question.

 

Your group is old timers experienced folk. 

 

Other group is newer blood/less experienced in Mafia. 

 

Based on probabilities and the fact I'm not so sure about the 6 of you, I think at least two of you are scum. 

 

FYI I'm not new - and my intro to this game was 1 x VT, followed by inheriting the curse of wishing I had been wolf and then being gifted Leelou's scum rands for the next ?12 - 14 games?... I'm probably still not recovered XD

 

I'm curious as to why you put me in your 'newer/less experienced in Mafia' group? I don't think we played many games together, but there was at least one near the end of my game days IIRC, and you mentioned recognising me as not new in the signups?

 

 

 

 

If it helps, I was thinking you might be sus for pretty much fluff posting and then sticking with Lenlo on the Zander LynchDiceWhileSleeping!! joke, but going back, immediate responses there plausibly add up and so are NAI in themselves XD, and slightly less sus equity exists with the increased engagement, content-analysis aside. Easy-seeming sense of humour on most things - except the aforementioned Dice callout?

 

which... IMO really just follows the pattern of Zander/Dice and Dice/Zander Yo!Bro! game tradition in both alignments and is NAI/expected at that point. 

 

It would be highly unusual for either of them to do that, in either alignment, with the deliberate intention to start a lynch train on the other that way, FWIW.

 

Would/Do wolf!Z or wolf!Dice probably feel the expectation to use it and do so hoping it slides by if the other was Town? Sometimes. Do Town!Dice/Town!Z also do this, both for lololol and interaction? Yep.

 

But it's never a Wolfy "This is your train, Townies hop on!!" 

Hence, I think, Z's 'Dude just lol' post at the level of seriousness Lenlo interpreted/projected it as.

 

@Zander? - TLDR, If you're Town asking if I'm struggling with Lenlo's vibe/tone/possi-gaslighty twisty feels in those interactions with you - yes. 

Is he actually a wolf for it? Iunno yet. Can you remember anything about how you read him previous games?

4 hours ago, Cass said:

@Zander? I see your post ❤️ Pls have patience, I'm old, tired, sore and mentally/physically slooooowww af rn - like reeeeeeeeeeeallly slooooooooowww - but I'll get there (hopefully).

 

# yourcallisimportant,butpleasehold

 

 

WRT 'Lenlo-you' situation - I'm up to pg 19... to that point I have been wondering if Lenlo was always as serious/hypervigilant/sensitive as I'm first-impressioning here. This is based on pretty much nothing but the way he reacted to what I see as jokes from Heavy and you. 

Not sure the joke reactions are AI. 

 

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beyond my insta-Tinfoil

 

Have noted the reasons/responses he gave to my thoughts at the time, with hope that there's more to get feels on as things go forward.

 

All I can remember of past meta is that there was a general consensus he was hard to read - can't remember why, can remember that once he was Town and I 'got' it, can't remember what made it so. 

 

If noone else has commented on it, or seemed to try and figure him out at all since then.... then o.O

 

AAaaaand if you're talking about something else that happened after that, then see above and hope there's good hold music?

 

(I'll give impressions when I have caught up/as they change - nothing more conclusive as of where I'm at rn).

 

A bit uncomfortable with this post.  It reads like something I would say as a wolf.  Very verbose summary of what happened fronting for an absence of alignment-relevant thoughts beneath.  But I get the impression I'll stumble into your thoughts between here and the present so put a hold on that suspicion.

4 hours ago, Cass said:

 

Sorry if this has already been addressed/discussed later on, but -

 

The Lenlo-Z probably not WW I can see/tend to agree with so far, but Where/How for the same impression on Lenlo-Turin?

Light, I miss ISO.

 

Honestly

 

No clue at this point beyond that the feeling there wasn't half as strong.  One of us will have to ISO me.  XD

3 hours ago, Verbal32 said:

Also, did Shad just hop into Zander's pocket?

 

I'm completely drenched in tatter tot and cheese ball grease

Going to humor the if shad was a wolf comments on page 35 for my amusement

 

If Zander and Lenlo were v/v, I think I would stay largely out of it and focus on some low hanging fruit with the hopes that Zander gets mislynched today anyway and I can offer up my D1 push for sacrifice tomorrow.

 

If Lenlo was a wolf, yeah I could see myself playing it about the same way.  I'd sacrifice an easy Zander mislynch to get my partner out of harm's way and be "more correct" about the villager than the wolf while doing it.

 

If Zander was a wolf, uh, I don't even know it's harder for me to imagine that exchange coming from Zander as a wolf than my own reaction coming from myself as a wolf lol

1 hour ago, Gudrean said:

What's a roll up the rims at Tim's?

Tims Hortons is the Best Coffee franchise in the World.  Tim Hortons was originally an NHL hockey player for the Toronto Maple Leafs.  It's based majority in Canada tho I believe Maine has some too in the US.  Roll Up the Rim is a month long promotion each year where your coffee comes in a cup with a chance to win prizes under the rim as well as they have a points and pay app where if you use it you get another chance to win online as well 

3 hours ago, Gudrean said:

However, is it at all possible when you made the post about the possible scum and left a spot open with ??? it was because you know who the 3 are and didn't want to out your teammates? At least maybe you outed one for continuity but added a townie and left ??? for the third? Just asking 😇

 

I've noticed a couple posts from Gud now, think the other was about Dice, where her reads are sort of predicated on the notion that wolves avoid lying.  Moments where she suspects that someone is deliberately softing that they are not a villager.  Did she make these sorts of reads last game?

1 hour ago, Cairos said:

So Zander why did you vote for RTE? Can you give me an example on your read of him and why? Maybe that’ll help me be better at reading people. L

 

Less a read man and what he did.  It's called fishing, something Wolves typically do to try and get Town players to poss hint/out their PR (Power Role) of they have one.  But honest it was so bad  I honestly am not sure a Wolf would out themselves so blantlty it's literally the most insane fishing I ever seen in all my 100+ games....lolololol

2 hours ago, Verbal32 said:

 

Regardless of your alignment this game, what you see is a fundamental difference in how the game is played.  You and I come from a time when wagonomics and analysis (obv useless D1) was the primary driving force on scumhunting.  You can see this method work wonders in the first few seasons of the mafia championship.

 

Then a newer crowd came in and played differently.  I'm not saying it's better or worse, just different.  That's where the "lock clear" and "D1 pass" and "tone" come from.  For a player like me, it's impossible to align with that type of alternative style, and it always rubs me the wrong way.

 

All that said, that's a me problem, and maybe doesn't apply to you.  Part of the reason I'm playing again is I'm trying to better understand and work with this other style that I admittedly hate so much.  I'm too stubborn and I'm trying to fix that.

Total agreement there.

 

30 minutes ago, Cass said:

 

If it helps, I was thinking you might be sus for pretty much fluff posting and then sticking with Lenlo on the Zander LynchDiceWhileSleeping!! joke, but going back, immediate responses there plausibly add up and so are NAI in themselves XD, and slightly less sus equity exists with the increased engagement, content-analysis aside. Easy-seeming sense of humour on most things - except the aforementioned Dice callout?

 

which... IMO really just follows the pattern of Zander/Dice and Dice/Zander Yo!Bro! game tradition in both alignments and is NAI/expected at that point. 

 

It would be highly unusual for either of them to do that, in either alignment, with the deliberate intention to start a lynch train on the other that way, FWIW.

 

Would/Do wolf!Z or wolf!Dice probably feel the expectation to use it and do so hoping it slides by if the other was Town? Sometimes. Do Town!Dice/Town!Z also do this, both for lololol and interaction? Yep.

 

But it's never a Wolfy "This is your train, Townies hop on!!" 

Hence, I think, Z's 'Dude just lol' post at the level of seriousness Lenlo interpreted/projected it as.

 

@Zander? - TLDR, If you're Town asking if I'm struggling with Lenlo's vibe/tone/possi-gaslighty twisty feels in those interactions with you - yes. 

Is he actually a wolf for it? Iunno yet. Can you remember anything about how you read him previous games?

Its like every single person is ignoring what I actually said at the start, "This is a bad joke". How has this morphed into me trying to gas light some train on Zander for it? I get y'all are going to give Zander a pass for posting 80% lololol comments, I dont like it but I've accepted it, but you could at least actually read what I wrote. Christ.

 

Anyways, catching up now. Early reads from what I've seen while skimming a bit, I'm very nervous about the Gud pockets, theres like no effort going into actually reading them instead just passing them by, Shad looks good even if I disagree with him in multiple places that's fine, Cairos ngl I'm not seeing much and these sort of "look just busy enough" posts are pinging me, RTE I think people have valid reasons for but outside of that one vig comment I havent seen anything terrible. It's day 1, so we dont have much more to go on though.

1 hour ago, Shad_ said:

Wagonomics never make sense to me with a field this small because any given individual has a high chance to deviate from expectations.

 

They certainly hold weight in big games.  The patterns are true and actionable on a larger scale.

 

How dare you!!!!

 

47 minutes ago, Shad_ said:

RTE's summary on p33 clicks with a number of unexpressed leans I've had and I can definitely see his role fishing as twtbaw given how blatant he was about it. 

 

Back to neutral for you.

 

I've been bouncing back and forth on this but I've also been burnt bad on writing players off for TWTBAW that I refuse to do so anymore .... FML 

 

40 minutes ago, Shad_ said:

 

In tracker land it's saying "Hey town PR, you should totally use your ability on [player who would almost certainly never, if wolf, carry the kill.]"  It serves a wolf agenda in a lowkey way that wolves actually do often (unlike say, RTE's very blatant fishing which throws caution to the wind).

 

But we're in watcher land.

 

But Verb thought we were in tracker land.

 

But it turned out actually almost no one in the thread knew what they were doing including myself so I'm tempted to just dismiss the thought entirely lol

 

Fair enough...that aside where you at with Verb Shad and why?

1 minute ago, Zander? said:

 

Less a read man and what he did.  It's called fishing, something Wolves typically do to try and get Town players to poss hint/out their PR (Power Role) of they have one.  But honest it was so bad  I honestly am not sure a Wolf would out themselves so blantlty it's literally the most insane fishing I ever seen in all my 100+ games....lolololol

 

What rubs me more than that isn't exclusive to RTE.  I caught a waft of "Zander might be town but we should still lynch him for the thread state/information" that didn't sit well with me at all.  I believe all of RTE, Verb, and Heavy did it, but don't quote me on Heavy, I'd have to look back to confirm.  I think wolves are more likely to +1 that vibe, secure an easy mislynch while preemptively washing their hands of it.  Frankly, the sense that wolves were eager to chop you today is another factor in why I think you're town.

2 minutes ago, Zander? said:

Fair enough...that aside where you at with Verb Shad and why?

 

Still my best guess at a wolf but I don't want to commit to anything yet and am especially eager to see where cass and cairos go.  Had to stop reading top of page 36 and probably won't be invested again until after my work shift.

39 minutes ago, Cass said:

 

FYI I'm not new - and my intro to this game was 1 x VT, followed by inheriting the curse of wishing I had been wolf and then being gifted Leelou's scum rands for the next ?12 - 14 games?... I'm probably still not recovered XD

 

I'm curious as to why you put me in your 'newer/less experienced in Mafia' group? I don't think we played many games together, but there was at least one near the end of my game days IIRC, and you mentioned recognising me as not new in the signups?

 

 

 

 

If it helps, I was thinking you might be sus for pretty much fluff posting and then sticking with Lenlo on the Zander LynchDiceWhileSleeping!! joke, but going back, immediate responses there plausibly add up and so are NAI in themselves XD, and slightly less sus equity exists with the increased engagement, content-analysis aside. Easy-seeming sense of humour on most things - except the aforementioned Dice callout?

 

which... IMO really just follows the pattern of Zander/Dice and Dice/Zander Yo!Bro! game tradition in both alignments and is NAI/expected at that point. 

 

It would be highly unusual for either of them to do that, in either alignment, with the deliberate intention to start a lynch train on the other that way, FWIW.

 

Would/Do wolf!Z or wolf!Dice probably feel the expectation to use it and do so hoping it slides by if the other was Town? Sometimes. Do Town!Dice/Town!Z also do this, both for lololol and interaction? Yep.

 

But it's never a Wolfy "This is your train, Townies hop on!!" 

Hence, I think, Z's 'Dude just lol' post at the level of seriousness Lenlo interpreted/projected it as.

 

@Zander? - TLDR, If you're Town asking if I'm struggling with Lenlo's vibe/tone/possi-gaslighty twisty feels in those interactions with you - yes. 

Is he actually a wolf for it? Iunno yet. Can you remember anything about how you read him previous games?

 

Not allot tbh.  I know he's a smart so a pretty decent player and that's why I'm thrown off by it.  Part of me says meh just different approaches as Villas part of me says maybe Wolf team is all or mostly exp players who were like we should see if we can get Zander mislunched for lols by winding him up lolololol.  He's not like for sure Scum to me and not Town but Im not thinking about him being lunch ATM fwiw.

3 minutes ago, Shad_ said:

 

What rubs me more than that isn't exclusive to RTE.  I caught a waft of "Zander might be town but we should still lynch him for the thread state/information" that didn't sit well with me at all.  I believe all of RTE, Verb, and Heavy did it, but don't quote me on Heavy, I'd have to look back to confirm.  I think wolves are more likely to +1 that vibe, secure an easy mislynch while preemptively washing their hands of it.  Frankly, the sense that wolves were eager to chop you today is another factor in why I think you're town.

 

Welcome to my world...this happened.....alot lolololol

36 minutes ago, Shad_ said:

 

A bit uncomfortable with this post.  It reads like something I would say as a wolf.  Very verbose summary of what happened fronting for an absence of alignment-relevant thoughts beneath.  But I get the impression I'll stumble into your thoughts between here and the present so put a hold on that suspicion.

 

I don't disagree with YOUR take on it because if it were most anyone else I'd be there with ya.  But for Cass at Worst NAI.  Cass the smarter pretty better more WiM having awesomer cooler female me.... lolololol like seriously right down to the music we listen and both being ENFPs CassGOATENFPMUSICTWINHYDRAFRAND is typically what I call her when I'm not too lazy to type it all.   We've had a history of tinfoiling and eating crayons while being wrong and pushing each other because she has the same Zander paranoia as a Villa.  I'm not ready to say she's not a Wolf atp but this particular post definitely wouldn't make her one of itself IMHO 

9 minutes ago, Shad_ said:

 

What rubs me more than that isn't exclusive to RTE.  I caught a waft of "Zander might be town but we should still lynch him for the thread state/information" that didn't sit well with me at all.  I believe all of RTE, Verb, and Heavy did it, but don't quote me on Heavy, I'd have to look back to confirm.  I think wolves are more likely to +1 that vibe, secure an easy mislynch while preemptively washing their hands of it.  Frankly, the sense that wolves were eager to chop you today is another factor in why I think you're town.

I agree with the Verb one, he seemed resigned pretty early to the "Lynch one of Zander/Lenlo, watch/lynch the other after if the first flips town". Very little effort put into figuring that kerfuffle out either way, oddly prepared for what to do right after.

37 minutes ago, Shad_ said:

 

Honestly

 

No clue at this point beyond that the feeling there wasn't half as strong.  One of us will have to ISO me.  XD

 

123 not it!!!!!

 

 

34 minutes ago, Shad_ said:

 

I'm completely drenched in tatter tot and cheese ball grease

 

Shad sees into my Soul so much he knows what I had for lunch today lololololol

 

 

18 minutes ago, Shad_ said:

 

I've noticed a couple posts from Gud now, think the other was about Dice, where her reads are sort of predicated on the notion that wolves avoid lying.  Moments where she suspects that someone is deliberately softing that they are not a villager.  Did she make these sorts of reads last game?

 

Yes pretty much.  I've asked those who played last game with her as it was her first to make sure I'm not just being bias and pocketed for reals tho but feels very much the same thus far.

 

 

 

18 minutes ago, Lenlo said:

Total agreement there.

 

Its like every single person is ignoring what I actually said at the start, "This is a bad joke". How has this morphed into me trying to gas light some train on Zander for it? I get y'all are going to give Zander a pass for posting 80% lololol comments, I dont like it but I've accepted it, but you could at least actually read what I wrote. Christ.

 

Anyways, catching up now. Early reads from what I've seen while skimming a bit, I'm very nervous about the Gud pockets, theres like no effort going into actually reading them instead just passing them by, Shad looks good even if I disagree with him in multiple places that's fine, Cairos ngl I'm not seeing much and these sort of "look just busy enough" posts are pinging me, RTE I think people have valid reasons for but outside of that one vig comment I havent seen anything terrible. It's day 1, so we dont have much more to go on though.

 

I've touched on Gud fwiw as I was in her first game last game.  If you don't trust my take Dice , Heavy, Turin, Carios off top come to mind who also were in that game.  Feels very similar to me at least admittedly biased and inherited pocket still since last game lolololol

19 minutes ago, Shad_ said:

 

What rubs me more than that isn't exclusive to RTE.  I caught a waft of "Zander might be town but we should still lynch him for the thread state/information" that didn't sit well with me at all.  I believe all of RTE, Verb, and Heavy did it, but don't quote me on Heavy, I'd have to look back to confirm.  I think wolves are more likely to +1 that vibe, secure an easy mislynch while preemptively washing their hands of it.  Frankly, the sense that wolves were eager to chop you today is another factor in why I think you're town.

 

You seem quite certain of this....likely no chance it was basically all Town trying to mislunch me again.....like last game lolololol but seriously the Red and Bold is the first time you've sketched me some...maybe I'm just a bit paranoid but ya that made me wonder

 

20 minutes ago, Shad_ said:

 

Still my best guess at a wolf but I don't want to commit to anything yet and am especially eager to see where cass and cairos go.  Had to stop reading top of page 36 and probably won't be invested again until after my work shift.

 

Fair enough.  So RTE and Leno prolly Town iyo?   With the exception of maybe 1 or 2 posts I'd say Cairos isn't really playing differently than last game as a Wolf tho last few pages a bit more active at least and i quoted and commented on the one post I saw of his and that felt more likely Villagery to me

@Cass is like Dice sleeping time where he is in Aussie...not to lol lunch sleeping Dice I'm just not yet xoncic in anyway really he's Town atp and feels like it's been a while since he was around tho maybe it's just me lost in time lol

9 minutes ago, Zander? said:

 

I've touched on Gud fwiw as I was in her first game last game.  If you don't trust my take Dice , Heavy, Turin, Carios off top come to mind who also were in that game.  Feels very similar to me at least admittedly biased and inherited pocket still since last game lolololol

Sure, but they are new, 1 game is not a very large sample size, and you've self admitted to hard pocketing her as carry over from the previous game. I'm not gonna just... not look at her because you said "pocket"

2 minutes ago, Lenlo said:

Sure, but they are new, 1 game is not a very large sample size, and you've self admitted to hard pocketing her as carry over from the previous game. I'm not gonna just... not look at her because you said "pocket"

I know that's why I mentioned who else was there to verify or disagree with my assessment.  And ofc I game isn't much baseline but again we approach reads differently if you're a Villa here but just thought as one of the players who played her only other game id share my take

13 minutes ago, Zander? said:

 

You seem quite certain of this....likely no chance it was basically all Town trying to mislunch me again.....like last game lolololol but seriously the Red and Bold is the first time you've sketched me some...maybe I'm just a bit paranoid but ya that made me wonder

 

 

Maybe it's a mash thing lol.  Sometimes there's no one person you can point to and go "you're the one doing the wolfy thing" but there's a clear vibe in the air that the thread is inordinately open or resistant towards lynching someone.  I felt you were being hedged over too easy.

5 minutes ago, Zander? said:

I know that's why I mentioned who else was there to verify or disagree with my assessment.  And ofc I game isn't much baseline but again we approach reads differently if you're a Villa here but just thought as one of the players who played her only other game id share my take

I'll give you this, I expect my reads to adjust/dial in a lot once we get our first flip and can use that concrete info to really dig into what was said/how people acted.