@Cass why you around reacting to posts but not posting asking for a friend.......

15 minutes ago, Ithillian Turambar said:

That goes out to everyone BTW.

 

Waking up to all you grumpy peoples

 

Can confirm is grumpy till has morning Timmy's!!!!!

11 minutes ago, Ithillian Turambar said:

 

Everyone just assume I posted THAT Diehard gif in response because I would obviously get in trouble for actually doing it Yippee ki-yay..... Frands LOLOLOLOLOL 

47 minutes ago, Zander? said:

 

Pretending for a minute I thought you were Town....how would anyone know what you actually claimed?!??!?!?!  According to your own words one was a denial and the other just wasn't a confirmation?!?!?!!!   Like seriously man I just don't even know what else to say I even tried telling you at one point what you could do to likely convince me to at least back off and maybe give you more time but you doubled down...again.  I just put together how a Village thinks this play would be +EV for Town.  I get more caught Wolf trying whatever to get off the noose which I can respect than I do getting frustrated Towny.    I'm also pretty sure you said federalist wasn't your PR and that you weren't going to share it iirc?  

I was pretty clear about what I actually claimed. 

I'm town

I'm a Federalist 

I'm George Washington. 

 

I think it is also clear what I didn't do that people have read into my statements. Wether that is a simple mistake or due to dubious intent is open to debate. 

You say that you now know how my actions COULD BE POSITIVE for town. If you had that in your head back when I started would your response have been different? Maybe you wouldn't be so committed to Turin is a wolf, and maybe thinking I don't agree but I see where you're coming from. It may be too.late but I know I'm town and I don't want.town to lose a player today, so I'm Still gonna defend myself. I think there are definitely mafia on my train. None of the people voting have a strong case in my opinion.  At least they didn't give them when they voted. 

You know your own, and if all of them.at.least it is consistent.  Plus you are obviously town.

Cass said something like she would rather have darthe around (ouch!! Shots fire, lol)

DPR talked about being emotional, what?

Dice admitted his was a bad vote, and then talked about a bunch of things that flat out didn't happen. 

 

I think they think I have a big role and are banking you won't get out of your tunnel.

 

And no I'm not claiming anything and I'm not fear mongering.  I'm just trying to get you to see. Glglglglgl

21 minutes ago, Zander? said:

 

I think you got caught like last time day 1 but you know I said after last game I'm not backing off again trying to tip toe around pushing incorrectly I do better when I stick to my Gut.  Am I gonna be wrong yes a fair but but so is everyone else I just do it more spectacularly lolololol.

 

No you pushed at me BEFORE I revealed and knew you had to back off so you started with the whole I hate when people call themselves the most villager it's sus but calling yourself just a villager is fine semantics talk while calling yourself a Village THAN came the whole LD debacle then the whole character claim didn't claim but actually did claim character but after creating a metric ton of WINFOMing proceed to pick back up the LD stick asking everyone to say they're town which at the beginning of the game you said you sussed people for like the part of your initial move on me before i got mod cleared.  And on TOP you refuse to claim knowing that normally might look ok but not in in an advanced game.  So no homie right or wrong I'll not accept blame for this one sorry bro.  You at least know I'm Town and this is how I truly feel.  

You didn't catch anything last game. You went ooh meta, he's being nice.  I was being nice. It was NAI. I am just trying to be.nicer. BTW, what does that say about.me.now? 

You admitted that you were being sketchy on purpose to get reactions. I'm not going into that because it's not productive.  Your obviously town so just wrong here. It appears you aren't changing your mind so let me get you a head start. Treat this as a mental exercise.

 

 I'm flipping town. 

 

Where do you go from here? Who looks bad? Who looks good?

 

If I have to die, let it be worth something at least. Get your thoughts together now in case you die tonight.

 

I'll be back with my thoughts on people.

3 minutes ago, Turin Turambar said:

I was pretty clear about what I actually claimed. 

I'm town

I'm a Federalist 

I'm George Washington. 

 

I think it is also clear what I didn't do that people have read into my statements. Wether that is a simple mistake or due to dubious intent is open to debate. 

You say that you now know how my actions COULD BE POSITIVE for town. If you had that in your head back when I started would your response have been different? Maybe you wouldn't be so committed to Turin is a wolf, and maybe thinking I don't agree but I see where you're coming from. It may be too.late but I know I'm town and I don't want.town to lose a player today, so I'm Still gonna defend myself. I think there are definitely mafia on my train. None of the people voting have a strong case in my opinion.  At least they didn't give them when they voted. 

You know your own, and if all of them.at.least it is consistent.  Plus you are obviously town.

Cass said something like she would rather have darthe around (ouch!! Shots fire, lol)

DPR talked about being emotional, what?

Dice admitted his was a bad vote, and then talked about a bunch of things that flat out didn't happen. 

 

I think they think I have a big role and are banking you won't get out of your tunnel.

 

And no I'm not claiming anything and I'm not fear mongering.  I'm just trying to get you to see. Glglglglgl

 

No I didn't say I found what you did could be positive for Town except your dying and actually somehow being a Villager would at least indicate Wolves on you but Also made it so Townies who called you town prior look sus for that Call because I can't see how anyone would actually think that, they'd have to KNOW that.  If you're a Villager leave your last will and testament.  All your reads with reasons and closer to DL who you think the Wolves are on your train.   I still think you're a Wolf and if you don't do that that just makes me more sure but it happens I've tried Gambits before and got Mislunched shrug.  If you're actually a Villa we can talk post game and you can explain to me like your explaining it to a child of 5 because that's roughly my IQ level.  All that said I just think you're a Wolf or made a mistake but atp I can't let it go because I can't ever see a Villager doing it.  

1 minute ago, Turin Turambar said:

You didn't catch anything last game. You went ooh meta, he's being nice.  I was being nice. It was NAI. I am just trying to be.nicer. BTW, what does that say about.me.now? 

You admitted that you were being sketchy on purpose to get reactions. I'm not going into that because it's not productive.  Your obviously town so just wrong here. It appears you aren't changing your mind so let me get you a head start. Treat this as a mental exercise.

 

 I'm flipping town. 

 

Where do you go from here? Who looks bad? Who looks good?

 

If I have to die, let it be worth something at least. Get your thoughts together now in case you die tonight.

 

I'll be back with my thoughts on people.

 

No I did both you and Lenlo I just didn't pursue it hard and then got off track.  Usually I don't let that go but either way whatever agree to disagree.

 

I've dropped in thread thoughts about you being Town and where that leads me.  Your game has literally created 2 starts of World Views In my head.  I assumed since we've been back and forth you would have known that as I posted it more than once.  I've left my thoughts I'll hopefully have more closer to DL and I'll at least have the Night phase once I can see at least one flips and Day 1 Wagonomics which are lowest accuracy but still.  Also I'm only an IC...yes Wolves have to kill me at some point but maybe the go PR hunting for a PR that can hurt them more than me or maybe they cap me....either way I'll leave my last will and testament tonight before start of Day 2 

A lot.of this has to do with their stances and interactions with me. It is the first thing in mind. 

 

DPR: mafia. His reason seems to be bad village play, which is still not mafia. 

 

Gudrean: null to slight mafia. Her early position seemed based on the last game which is not great , but as the game has gone along it seems she has been better. This read is leaning down just on the link I have of her and DPR. 

 

Darthe: true.null. Darthe doing Darthe things. His dealing with me has me leaning mafia because I know his suspicions toward me.are.at.best wrong. He has shown some highlights dealing with other things. Maybe I'm biased.

 

Zander? Philip Hamilton- Town - Innocent Child

 

Verbal32: mafia lean. His choice to sit on the sidelines in the vote today is suspicious to me. He also resisted the prod to get an i'm town out of him. 

 

keyholder21: solid town. She is the only one that really got it. If she is.mafia and pulled this off, then she deserves an Academy Award. 

 

7. @Turin Turambar: George Washington  town Federalist (role tbd)

 

Cass: mafia lean. Her stated reasoning  for her vote on me was bad imo. She seemed very offended that I wrote out stuff about her and then only said yep, same about Hallia. I don't think she has responded at about either my message or my I'm town request. 

 

seph: town lean. He seems to.have similar questions as I do but he also.seems to think.i should be a target today so he definitely doesn't get it. 

 

dicetosser1: mafia lean. At best wrong about me. He stated his vote was bad and still.made it. Could be just grumpy but it feels like.he is hiding in the grump if you know what Mean. 

 

Hallia: town lean. I think she gets it but doesn't like that she gets it. Maybe it's just cause she was reading me town.

 

 

That's where I am. Hopefully I don't die today. If I do, then pay heed. I may not be completely right but I don't think I'm completely wrong. 

Just to clarify,  my Gudrean read is pretty dependent on DPR being a wolf.

9 hours ago, seph said:

Meh, I was already thinking about pushing hallia or Cass tomorrow

 

why those two in particular?  This whole game feels like I’m a day ahead of everyone but hally has been a nothing burger to me so far.
 

7 hours ago, Zander? said:

 

 

Like seriously if he's a Villager I'm literally gonna have to stay away from the thread awhile so I don't say anything that's insulting or gets me in trouble. Absolutely nothing he's done is Towny except maybe confirm suspicion/theory I had irt  to someone else and if that's wrong will he likely got another Townie killed FML

 

Villagers trolling this much and WINFOMing this much are 10000000% -EV and I've never seen a Villager troll and WINFOM this much in over 100 Plus games.  He's made his bed and can only hold himself responsible for it.  Sorry but not sorry but I can't even pretend or imagine a Villager doing this purposely.  Like I'm literally, like I mentioned earlier almost convinced he's a Joker or something and his WinCon is getting lunched or like a Bomb cause it just doesn't make a single iota of sense.

definitely still true but I’m trying to catch a wolf, not a bad villager.  Tbf he still could be one but this play is -10000000 ev in either alignment. Unfortunate, but what you’re describing is a tunnel, not a read.

 

7 hours ago, keyholder21 said:

dang it, I forgot to add my comment about Seph in that last post.  Underlined, re: Seph, But what about all the rests of his posts, or his reads?  I get that he said that and it is okay a scumtell for you, but what about the content of what was actually said?  This sounds like you are just contributing *something* for the sake of contributing.

I’m literally just quoting you so I have something of yours to respond to.  Your posts are tooooooo loooooooong.  Stop it. I can’t say shi- when someone has to guess which sentence of war and peace I’m responding to.  And on that, you’ve been discussing me a lot, but I think it lacks substance.  A few good early posts are caring much of the read I have on you, would like to see more focused work if you’re town.  I do like the way you’re fleshing out thoughts on DPR, he’s warranting the attention. 
 

1 hour ago, Turin Turambar said:

He's salty because he doesn't get it. OR maybe he understands, but is feeling left out.

Yo I’m giving you a string, not a rope.  If you are town do something with it, cause the lolcatting is just not fun and no one cares about the theme.

Hah actually helpful reads list.  1 issue, you’ve been intentionally inviting sus.  Everyone should be sus of you, so highlighting that as a reason for your read doesn’t fly.  I could understand if they did it in a way you had an issue with, but that’s not what’s said above.  So gimme something better on dice, casss, and Wes.

14 minutes ago, Turin Turambar said:

A lot.of this has to do with their stances and interactions with me. It is the first thing in mind. 

 

DPR: mafia. His reason seems to be bad village play, which is still not mafia. 

 

Gudrean: null to slight mafia. Her early position seemed based on the last game which is not great , but as the game has gone along it seems she has been better. This read is leaning down just on the link I have of her and DPR. 

 

Darthe: true.null. Darthe doing Darthe things. His dealing with me has me leaning mafia because I know his suspicions toward me.are.at.best wrong. He has shown some highlights dealing with other things. Maybe I'm biased.

 

Zander? Philip Hamilton- Town - Innocent Child

 

Verbal32: mafia lean. His choice to sit on the sidelines in the vote today is suspicious to me. He also resisted the prod to get an i'm town out of him. 

 

keyholder21: solid town. She is the only one that really got it. If she is.mafia and pulled this off, then she deserves an Academy Award. 

 

7. @Turin Turambar: George Washington  town Federalist (role tbd)

 

Cass: mafia lean. Her stated reasoning  for her vote on me was bad imo. She seemed very offended that I wrote out stuff about her and then only said yep, same about Hallia. I don't think she has responded at about either my message or my I'm town request. 

 

seph: town lean. He seems to.have similar questions as I do but he also.seems to think.i should be a target today so he definitely doesn't get it. 

 

dicetosser1: mafia lean. At best wrong about me. He stated his vote was bad and still.made it. Could be just grumpy but it feels like.he is hiding in the grump if you know what Mean. 

 

Hallia: town lean. I think she gets it but doesn't like that she gets it. Maybe it's just cause she was reading me town.

 

 

That's where I am. Hopefully I don't die today. If I do, then pay heed. I may not be completely right but I don't think I'm completely wrong. 

For what it's worth I think you are town @Turin Turambar, but I feel like there's a possible other thing no one but maybe Zander has thought of or mentioned. Correct me if I'm wrong, but in my searching the internet to find out what all these abbreviations and weird words y'all use in mafia mean, It came up that there can be 3 alignments in advanced mafia games. Are we overlooking the neutral characters? That is a thing right?

15 minutes ago, Turin Turambar said:

Just to clarify,  my Gudrean read is pretty dependent on DPR being a wolf.

I'd swear on a bible that I am not working with DPR in any way! I've spoken to him like 5 times maybe in this whole game. 

13 minutes ago, Darthe said:

 

why those two in particular?  This whole game feels like I’m a day ahead of everyone but hally has been a nothing burger to me so far.
 

definitely still true but I’m trying to catch a wolf, not a bad villager.  Tbf he still could be one but this play is -10000000 ev in either alignment. Unfortunate, but what you’re describing is a tunnel, not a read.

 

I’m literally just quoting you so I have something of yours to respond to.  Your posts are tooooooo loooooooong.  Stop it. I can’t say shi- when someone has to guess which sentence of war and peace I’m responding to.  And on that, you’ve been discussing me a lot, but I think it lacks substance.  A few good early posts are caring much of the read I have on you, would like to see more focused work if you’re town.  I do like the way you’re fleshing out thoughts on DPR, he’s warranting the attention. 
 

Yo I’m giving you a string, not a rope.  If you are town do something with it, cause the lolcatting is just not fun and no one cares about the theme.

I was thinking the same but only because their involvement this game has been so small. (Hallia and Cass)

I know that doesn't make them wolves but it does seem to make them easy prey for wolves. Verb too to a small degree has been kinda quiet, but he was quiet in the last game I played with him so may just be a man of few words. Just sayin

19 minutes ago, Darthe said:

 

why those two in particular?  This whole game feels like I’m a day ahead of everyone but hally has been a nothing burger to me so far.
 

definitely still true but I’m trying to catch a wolf, not a bad villager.  Tbf he still could be one but this play is -10000000 ev in either alignment. Unfortunate, but what you’re describing is a tunnel, not a read.

 

I’m literally just quoting you so I have something of yours to respond to.  Your posts are tooooooo loooooooong.  Stop it. I can’t say shi- when someone has to guess which sentence of war and peace I’m responding to.  And on that, you’ve been discussing me a lot, but I think it lacks substance.  A few good early posts are caring much of the read I have on you, would like to see more focused work if you’re town.  I do like the way you’re fleshing out thoughts on DPR, he’s warranting the attention. 
 

Yo I’m giving you a string, not a rope.  If you are town do something with it, cause the lolcatting is just not fun and no one cares about the theme.

I'm pretty sure people do care about the theme, especially the person who made it! Y'all should think before you say things like this. Don't hurt Ithi's feelings dangit!!!

18 minutes ago, Darthe said:

Hah actually helpful reads list.  1 issue, you’ve been intentionally inviting sus.  Everyone should be sus of you, so highlighting that as a reason for your read doesn’t fly.  I could understand if they did it in a way you had an issue with, but that’s not what’s said above.  So gimme something better on dice, casss, and Wes.

I stated that this was largely due to my feelings how people dealt with me. I can't take.my bias out of me. Fwiw your most recent things are giving me a better lean on you. Don't let me down.

 

Tbf, I am kinda tired of not being listened to this game. I'll see if I feel more into it in a bit. 

Spoiler

My honest belief is that any townie that has been paying attention since THE START OF THE GAME should get "it" and should not be voting me, if not actively trying to prevent my lynch.

Spoiler

It's simple. Who's "the town"?

I'm town, and I'm a Federalist 

 

Even though I was suspicious,  their votes didn't have proper reasoning in my opinion, and therefore deserve scrutiny.  You yourself said that Z was tunnelling. Everyone else voting basically sheeped his "bad villager" vibe in their votes. It's not a good reason, and when it happens 3 times in one day, it's kinda odd. Now I'm not saying it's certainly all 3. But I would be willing to wager at least one mafia is in there. I'm voting  DPR, and I'm okay with my vote.

 

Predicting there is gonna be dead air.

29 minutes ago, Gudrean said:

For what it's worth I think you are town @Turin Turambar, but I feel like there's a possible other thing no one but maybe Zander has thought of or mentioned. Correct me if I'm wrong, but in my searching the internet to find out what all these abbreviations and weird words y'all use in mafia mean, It came up that there can be 3 alignments in advanced mafia games. Are we overlooking the neutral characters? That is a thing right?

There are. And it is possible. I don't think we should actively worry about it until it becomes apparent that it is a problem. 

I assume you are talking about things like survivors and serial killers and cultists? Did I leave any out?

Spoiler

 Not wanting to cause yet another  kerfuffle, but Aaron Burr would make a reasonable survivor. 

 

Official Vote Count

 

TURIN - 4  (Cass, Zander, DPR, Dice)

CASS - 1 (Darthe)

DPR- 2 (Hallia, Turin)

 

Not Voting: Gudrean, Key, Verbal, Seph

 

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Following on that, DPR was saying that my speculation was distracting. I think that is a cheap take as most adult people can think.about.more.than one.thing at a time. Furthermore the return talk was not inquiry trying to actually understand the possible why, it was spec talk bad, therefore I was a bad villager. This is a bit of a simplification but I hope you get my point. To my memory Cass never really gave a reason. And Dice admitted his vote was bad. Maybe I will have a look.

On 4/1/2025 at 5:01 PM, Cass said:

 

All I was questioning was your progression and how you read him/why.

 

That's independent of my thoughts on him there - Turin had done nothing I'd be confident seeing/saying was AI at all, or anything over Null-Town - with the 'Town' part at that point being I wasn't feeling the thread twisting feeling I felt along with the fun lolol-tinfoil posts towards the end of last game.

Here Cass has a null/slight town??? Read on me.

On 4/2/2025 at 5:00 AM, Cass said:

 

Vote: Turin

Darthe's WoT and the interaction between the two hurts my head, but so far I think there's more in favour of keeping Darthe around D1 here. 

Here is her vote. There is no on thread progression from the previous and the stated reasoning is lacking imo.

 

Furthermore there is no stated reasoning after this point.

On 4/2/2025 at 5:54 AM, Cass said:

 

 

DPR and Verb have both been about and posting/poking, so I disagree that they're not engaged. 

 

Some of DPR's play, especially wrt Gud, looks ?deeper and Townier than Verb's so far, IMO. LolPirates if I'm wrong. 

This is the only other post I've seen from her since her vote. Someone noted she is reading along because she has reacted to posts. Still no reasons that I have seen.

 

Additionally, the last line feels like giving herself an out for DPR flipping wolf down the line. 

 

I would be OK voting Cass or DPR. 

ima be out for the day, leaving in a few to take my daughter for her paracentesis, but will be back before EoD which I think is 7pm my time. I will try to form a final thought of who to vote while I'm out. Been thinking about it a lot.

For the record, I only found 2 posts from Cass between her null read post and her vote on me. One was about Dice, and the other about I don't remember but it didn't mention me.

 

There is no shown work, so I'm very suspicious here. Even more than before.