3 minutes ago, Gudrean said:

I was only saying this because those 3 hadn't joined in the thread that much really. Not the best at making a read D1 on anybody but even less if I have nothing to read nom'sayin!?

 

If I'm being fair, it might not be a stretch for me to say I've been at a minimum as invested in the thread as you have.

Just now, Gudrean said:

I was only saying this because those 3 hadn't joined in the thread that much really. Not the best at making a read D1 on anybody but even less if I have nothing to read nom'sayin!?

Yes. I understand your perspective. I'm not sure if you are town or not. So when I see something that might be a tie between players I wonder about it. I saw the post before and wanted to remind myself. My thought process is that you as a new wolf might want to bounce ideas off more experienced teammates before putting out a bunch of reads. 

It could also be just as you explained,  which is why I used the condition if you flip mafia.  If you are town then you obviously have no connection to those other people in game.

25 minutes ago, Verbal32 said:

2 hours ago, Turin Turambar said:

Calling your own post villagery is so not villagery. It screams of trying to out yourself beyond doubt, which in hindsight is facts but in the moment feels sketchy as can be.

 

This is a post I disagree with.  Zander does this all the time - you and I both know it's NAI for him.

This I have to agree with. Zander does this so much that I just can't use it as info for him at all. Like it's a part of my Zander blinders if that makes any sense. But I am curious why we are discussing Zander? Is he not cleared or is there any possible way he has an ability that allows him to claim, be cleared, but not be cleared? sorry for the word salad.

3 hours ago, Zander? said:

 

I'm leaning Wolf but not sold on it.  I don't know why but I feel there's a weird connection (not all Wolves but like maybe a Wolf trying to I forget the term but like connect a Townie to them in case they flip and we think it's W/W or something) between you Darthe and DPR.  I've already stayed I don't believe you and Darthe are W/W but I'm struggling to see all 3 being Town.  Prolly like Darthe You then DPR from least to most likely.  But like you and Darthe are pretty neck and neck imo and if one flips Wolf maybe lolme but I prolly consider the other spewed basically lol

 

 

saving this quote for later 

3 minutes ago, Verbal32 said:

 

If I'm being fair, it might not be a stretch for me to say I've been at a minimum as invested in the thread as you have.

Oh I agree with that, but at the time of my post you hadn't been yet. It's not shade my good man, it was just an observation as to why I had no reads on the 3 of you yet.

4 minutes ago, Turin Turambar said:

Yes. I understand your perspective. I'm not sure if you are town or not. So when I see something that might be a tie between players I wonder about it. I saw the post before and wanted to remind myself. My thought process is that you as a new wolf might want to bounce ideas off more experienced teammates before putting out a bunch of reads. 

It could also be just as you explained,  which is why I used the condition if you flip mafia.  If you are town then you obviously have no connection to those other people in game.

nod nod, ok thx for clarifying.

7 minutes ago, Turin Turambar said:

Open question: If Gudrean flips mafia what do you think it says about these three?

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I'm not sure she is but I wanted to remind myself because I saw this while looking up Zander posts.

 

It means nothing for hallia and verb

I’ve rr’d Key’s posts. A lot of posts are restating the obvious. Some are pushing old game traits like “wolfy Turin” or tying me to mechanics. She does some skittering to stay in neutral territory. I don’t feel any better about her. 
 

I’m gonna say there is at least 1 🐺 in 

Key/Hallia/Darthe

5 minutes ago, Gudrean said:

This I have to agree with. Zander does this so much that I just can't use it as info for him at all. Like it's a part of my Zander blinders if that makes any sense. But I am curious why we are discussing Zander? Is he not cleared or is there any possible way he has an ability that allows him to claim, be cleared, but not be cleared? sorry for the word salad.

Zander is 100% LOCK CLEAR BY THE MODDESS. I think it was more us discussing why Zander's post bothered me in the moment while Verb, and you saw it as purely NAI.

2 hours ago, DPR said:

Things on my mind this morning:

 

1. Turin has invited everyone to discuss whether or not Zander should have revealed his role on this early in the game. Turin's critique of it has turned into a bit of a lightning rod for him and imo, discussing why that happened is more important than his invitation. 

 

My take is that what's done is done. Zander is mod-confirmed Town IC and that gives the town a big advantage early in the game. Discussing Zander's reasoning for revealing seems like a way to add  unnecessary conversation to the game as opinions about this topic are not really indicative of alignment.

 

2. Key has attracted suspicion from a number of players. It would be worth clarifying the points folks have made regarding her. I'll do this in a bit. 

 

3. My overall opinion of Darthe is that he's trying to assume a leadership role. I'm not a big fan of anyone trying to do this so early in the game unless it's a mod-confirmed IC lol.  

 

  

 

 

on 2. I still need to go back and find the Key points people have made before I can really speak to it. 

 

on the 3. Is it a bad thing if Darthe is assuming leader? I mean will that hurt the town? and what does a leader in this situation actually do?

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Not Voting: Cass, Gudrean, Hallia, Key, Seph, Verbal, Zander

 

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7 minutes ago, Turin Turambar said:

Zander is 100% LOCK CLEAR BY THE MODDESS. I think it was more us discussing why Zander's post bothered me in the moment while Verb, and you saw it as purely NAI.

I'll be honest before he was cleared, it was, as you guys would say "pinged" me hard. But alas I was wrong.

4 minutes ago, Gudrean said:

on 2. I still need to go back and find the Key points people have made before I can really speak to it. 

 

on the 3. Is it a bad thing if Darthe is assuming leader? I mean will that hurt the town? and what does a leader in this situation actually do?

On the Darthe town leadership thing, I have thoughts but won't go too far into it. I didn't really notice that as such but can see how it applies. Good catch pirate.  Please be town, lol.

Spoiler

Gudrean,  in both games there were discussions about Zander and using that VILLAGE LEADER shtick. It always bothers me because it can be abused by mafia. Not gonna rehash it now.

 

14 minutes ago, Gudrean said:

This I have to agree with. Zander does this so much that I just can't use it as info for him at all. Like it's a part of my Zander blinders if that makes any sense. But I am curious why we are discussing Zander? Is he not cleared or is there any possible way he has an ability that allows him to claim, be cleared, but not be cleared? sorry for the word salad.

 

We actually weren't discussing him specifically - I was just pointing out things I agree and disagreed with Turin on.

 

When new players ask questions I think they already know the answer to, it makes me nervous.  As in "feigning ignorance".  Hard to tell when the real ignorance ends and the feigning begins.

Is anyone surprised Dice left his vote on? 

#randomthoughts

1 minute ago, Turin Turambar said:

Gudrean,  in both games there were discussions about Zander and using that VILLAGE LEADER shtick. It always bothers me because it can be abused by mafia. Not gonna rehash it now.

I understand it bugs you when Zander does it, I was curious how darthe or someone else would assert town leader and what would it be for and how would it help? 

2 minutes ago, Verbal32 said:

 

We actually weren't discussing him specifically - I was just pointing out things I agree and disagreed with Turin on.

 

When new players ask questions I think they already know the answer to, it makes me nervous.  As in "feigning ignorance".  Hard to tell when the real ignorance ends and the feigning begins.

that's just plain mean because you know i'm new. I don't feign anything. It's a good way to make me stop asking at all 😝 I've tried using the mafia wiki for answers but it doesn't have what I'm looking for most of the time and I can't ask people in pm except Ithi and she's working so...

Just now, Gudrean said:

I understand it bugs you when Zander does it, I was curious how darthe or someone else would assert town leader and what would it be for and how would it help? 

The problem is the same. Strong mafia can use that position to control the game. If the player isn't like LOCK CLEAR,  there is great danger. Think of last game when Verb was basically cleared from that point on he had a lot of clout. He was able to lead the town until he got killed. Zander is in a stronger position so if anyone  this game should be leading it's him.

6 minutes ago, Turin Turambar said:

The problem is the same. Strong mafia can use that position to control the game. If the player isn't like LOCK CLEAR,  there is great danger. Think of last game when Verb was basically cleared from that point on he had a lot of clout. He was able to lead the town until he got killed. Zander is in a stronger position so if anyone  this game should be leading it's him.

ok, isn't he doing that? or is that the problem? Do you think he's not leading? 

Catching up....

14 hours ago, keyholder21 said:

 

Didn't you just @ me for giving a way out on my read of darthe, and now you're doing it here with me and the "it's the first day and maybe she's not organized"?

 

Semantics is the reasoning.  Theme/mechanics is the same thing to me when someone is asking questions about if the theme of the game impacts the mechanics? 

 

Sharing is caring, man. We're all out here sharing our lists, por que you not share yours?

14 hours ago, DPR said:

 

B with a side eye 

 

Towncore building has more to do with a consensus and Darthe has been chasing targets all day so far. Him listing his top tier town, mid tier, low tier would follow along with that and a follow up vote would make sense. But as soon as you (Zander) revealed, he peeled off of you and went in for Turin.

 

But he said he was core building, and he didn't have to do that - he could've just rolled with Wild Darthe on D1 and nobody would've blinked, so why did he say the thing about building a core?

  

 

 

I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt but you're all over the place with nervous energy. 

 

Throwing shade at me over "mechanics" is contrived and just brings up the ghosts of hundred games that have nothing to do with this one. It struck me as labeling and a cheap shot. When you backed right off of it you looked worse imo. There is no actual reasoning there, or if I'm missing it, you're welcome to explain it. 

 

I'll share my list when I deem it necessary.

 

14 hours ago, Zander? said:

 

So do you think Darthe Wolfy based on this?  I'm pretty dumb and I don't think I follow.  Regardless of alignment you either have to actually or pretend to actually find Villagers and Find Wolves....like that literally is Mafia so I'm a bit perplexed here lol

 

13 hours ago, DPR said:

 

I think Cory used to build a core that worked like a charm. As long as he had enough players in the game he knew how to read. 
 

This is a bunch of folks coming back from multi-years hiatus and nobody is really solid on readings right now. 
 

So I figure I’ll make observations as I see them and hopefully that’ll click with other players that see the same thing. 
 

Turin is playing a little too hard and multiple folks have called him wolfy. I’m not opposed to this. 
 

Darthe is always confusing on D1 and he and I tend to go back and forth to try and shake something loose, and because it’s fun. 
 

Key is nervous which may or may not be a good thing.

 

Verb is absent, but that’s not uncommon during the work week. 
 

So we’ll see. I do have Gud in a solid town read. But why isn’t she posting? 
 

We’ll see.

 

Oh okay cool, so apparently you were good and ready only one hour after I asked and after the town confirmed IC asked. 

 

13 hours ago, Darthe said:

No, no, I get his point, and I don't think he's got a read from it.  He's questioning why I am approaching the game in a way that's somewhat inconsistent with my stated goal.  It's a fair question, but there are two factors to the answer.  One of them will be perceived as less townie though it isn't, but I'ma give both factors anyhow. 

First, because you hunt from both ends.  My town core is shaping up nice.  Zander, Key, Seph (perhaps).  We're gettin there.  Finding suspects is just as good as finding clear villagers or better.

Second, because inconsistency is part of being a person.  I slept, or had a bad meeting, or something between one thought and the next.  It doesn't really need an explanation usually.

 

This is a weird way to word this in a paragraph where you are talking about your town core??

 

13 hours ago, Darthe said:

I don't get the key read at all DPR. 

Do wonder where she went though.  

 

I have these things called kids and a husband that occasionally need my attention.

Ok I'm back. You guys are so busy. Hallelujah for an active thread and all but God bless St. Shad and his VC assistance.

16 minutes ago, Gudrean said:

ok, isn't he doing that? or is that the problem? Do you think he's not leading? 

Zander is doing it in a way. Darthe was kinda trying to take that spot in a Darthe  way. It's hard to understand.  I guess the bottom line is you should be wary of anyone not basically clear trying.to.lead the town exclusively.  Remember  that wolfy Turin guy the last game leading town astray? That's the kind of stuff that can happen,  lol

22 hours ago, Zander? said:

I got the heebee jeebees from Gud, Cass, and Hallia.  I obviously don't think they're all Wolves and could be lolZander but something feels off to me and I need to put my finger on it and try to explain.  I don't know why I just do.

maybe you just need to spruce up the pocket! add some decorations or flowers lol

28 minutes ago, Gudrean said:

that's just plain mean because you know i'm new. I don't feign anything. It's a good way to make me stop asking at all 😝 I've tried using the mafia wiki for answers but it doesn't have what I'm looking for most of the time and I can't ask people in pm except Ithi and she's working so...

 

It is not mean.  I know you're new, but like Turin said in his spoiler quote, the town leader thing has been discussed in the previous games, which you were in.

 

Look at it from my POV.  At some point, you'll understand and learn the terms and how to apply them.  Then if you're scum, you can fake "still learning" and get town cred from people because they don't realize you're lying.

 

To say you don't feign anything is not right - when scum, you'll feign everything.  When town, you might feign some things to try and trap scum.  Last game, I was trying to be suspicious (I just went a bit too far with that, heh).  That was me feigning.  

 

Hope you understand where I'm coming from - never intended to be mean, just playing the game.