Morrison never interested me much as a wrestler; his only draw was that he's way hot.

Well, that doesn't do anything for me, I'm afraid.  ;D

 

CM Punk doesn't interest me much either.

They are both good in-ring wrestlers though, capable of putting on interesting and technically solid matches, and Morrison has a lot of unique and imaginative manuevers.

 

Having Viscera (which is a better name than the one he's using now) and Boogeyman over there helps, but you have to admit it's a floundering brand. The biggest draw of it was that it was a throwback to the older days of ECW, and now Tommy Dreamer is like the only Original left.

 

Stevie Richards, Balls Mahoney, and Nunzio are still around too.

 

 

Sandman is on Raw, Sabu and RVD both were released...

 

RVD's contract ran out, and he said he wanted to take some time off rather than re-sign right away, but that if/when he does come back to wrestling he would return to WWE, so he left on good terms which is why they are still mentioning his name when they talk about Orton ending his career: it keeps the storyling alive to renew a fued with Orton if he returns.

 

 

and then the other big talent they pushed over there to give it a bit more profile is also gone. Kurt Angle and Big Show have both left the company, and Chris Benoit, who was tapped to pick up the title after Bobby Lashley got drafted to Raw (dumb idea, even if it did allow them to pit him against John Cena), well, we know what happened with Chris Benoit. If they don't get someone over there with not only main event status but also a bit of ECW cred, like, say, Rey Mysterio, that show's going down inside the next year. Or Kane; as much as I like having him on Smackdown, he'd be a great fit for ECW.

 

I agree that they need another big name over there to bolster the roster, and I think Kane would fit in perfect.  I disagree about ECW being in trouble and going down within the year though.  However bad their rating may be in comparison to Raw and Smackdown (I don't know cause I don't follow the ratings) but I have heard that they are the highest rated show on Sci Fi channel, so Sci Fi will want to renew the contract in all likelihood regardless, as long as the ratings stay up, which they likely will since it is mostly hard-core wrestling fans who will watch about anything that are watching it.

 

 

okay, this has gone way over my head...guess i'll have to go back to fiddlesticks

So, why is "wrestling" put together with martial arts? Wrestling is acting, martial arts is real fighting.

 

Most interesting now is that the UFC arer fighting Pride. And, Shocker! not losing all fights. But personally, I prefer K1. When Bonjavsky gets his knees flying, it is pure poetry :D

I don't know of any 'real' leagues or anything. But if your talking about fighting in general.

Pro-Wrestling is 99% fake.

UFC, could careless about,

Boxing is basically scripted (I say basically! In that, these new guys are barely boxing just playing "lets hug!", that is, taking the sport out of the game and going to 'cheap tactics'.) :P

 

I think, one of the 'fighting styles' that have leagues (like boxing/wresting/kung fu) I think Muay Thai Is probably the most brutal and probably most realistic of the 'fighting' out there. :P

 

+ The people who practice the 'real art of Muay Thai, are deadly as all hell!'

*leaves those people alone*

Okay, so I forgot about Richards, Mahoney, and Nunzio, or whatever they're calling him these days, if they can settle on one name for long, but still, that's not much of a foundation to work off of. Being the top rated show on Sci-Fi doesn't really count for much, though. You can be King Crap of Feces Mountain, but it's still a pile of !@%$.

 

I'm not surprised to see Orton's name coming up on that list. But Morrison's suspension, if he is indeed one of the ten, is going to have to wait until they can take him out of the storyline, considering he's the ECW champ and all. And how do they suspend Edge and Helms when they're both out on injury?

Well, i thought it was crazy about Chris Benoit killing himself and his family... I don't recall the cause of the reasons he went crazy, but if I remember correctly, it was Steroids. he was one of my favorite wrestlers.

Actually, Benoit was clean and had been for some time at the time of his death. Current theories have more to do with brain trauma and paranoia. And yeah, he was one of my favorites, too.  :'(

 

For the WWE fans: am i the only one who didn't think much of Rey Mysterio's return to Smackdown? I mean, obviously they're going to push him heavily now that he's back, but he just seemed asleep all night. Batista and Finlay had to oversell his offense because of how little he seemed to be putting into it. His knee injury may not have retired him, but he still doesn't seem like the same Rey.

 

I figured they were going to have Hardy and MVP pick up the tag championship, thought I could have asked for it to happen in a better way. I don't suppose this pairing is going to be as amusing as the Angle/Benoit teaming back in '02, though.

 

And for those who bring up the fact that WWE and the other pro wrestling brands (that I don't pay attention to) are staged: so what? So is Heroes; you try sticking a sword through Zachary Quinto in one take in front of a live audience.

Yeah, I didn't remember but yeah that is a good theory... Brain trauma. I never really thoguht much of Rey, I myself liked Triple H, Shaun Michaels, Kevin Nash, the NWO bunch and I liked the undertaker

So, why is "wrestling" put together with martial arts? Wrestling is acting, martial arts is real fighting.

 

 

The fans of one often seem to be fans of the other, and so now you a lot of sites that cover both.  If you to 1prowrestling.com for instance, you'll see wrestling news in one column and MMA news in the other.

 

Plus for practical purposes neither will probably have a very active thread by itself, so why not group them together.

 

I'm not surprised to see Orton's name coming up on that list. But Morrison's suspension, if he is indeed one of the ten, is going to have to wait until they can take him out of the storyline, considering he's the ECW champ and all. And how do they suspend Edge and Helms when they're both out on injury?

 

They had Punk cash in his number 1 contender shot (which he won last week) at the ECW taping this past Saturday and win the belt from Morrison (which aired last night).  There was no injury angle so we may just see him disappear.  Randy Orton will apparently NOT be suspended... Though his name is on the list of customers, WWE are telling people he confessed months ago to getting steroids from them and has already served a suspension.. this explanation is being taken with a lot of salt from the locker room...  The wrestler who already had a previous violation and will therefore be serving a 60 day suspension is Chris Masters.  On RAW

(RAW SPOILERS - not sure if UK has seen RAW yet)

 

Umaga was effectively taken out of the storylines by a couple of sledgehammer shots for Triple H after losing his title to Jeff Hardy.  William Regal was attacked by Cena which could be his excuse to gone.  No one else was written out, though Charlie Haas had to do the job in his match and Mr. Kennedy was announced as Vinces son, and then it was made known that he is NOT Vince's son.  It was widely thought that the original plan was that he WOULD be the illegit child.

 

(END RAW SPOILERS)

 

Not sure what they will do on Smackdown, but with the names on that show not being high profile or in high profile fueds they may just disappear.  Edge and Helms I think can be suspended while they are injured, as it just means they won't get paid for the time they are suspended.

 

In other news not related to this steroid scandal, Nick Dinsmore (Eugene) was released due to Wellness policy violations and Cryme Tyme were released after an incident during a house show.  There had been some legit heat between Cryme Tyme and Cade & Murdoch, and so after one of CT made a comment that suggested they may work stiff, C & M decided to play a trick on them and changed the ending of the match without telling Cryme Tyme.  During a spot where Cryme Tyme was supposed to re-enter the ring close to a countout, the ref speeded up the count and Cade and Murdoch won by countout.

 

Cryme Tyme then deviated from the script themselves and performed their finisher on the ref (though it was unplanned they DID protect him) then they stole his belt and auctioned it off to keep in character.

 

However WWE did not like that they did a wrestling move on an untrained ref and let them go.

Yeah, when I saw Punk's win announced on wwe.com, in a house show, no less, I knew Morrison was suspended. You get the feeling Orton has kissed the right butts in the past?

 

And I wouldn't be surprised if losing their titles to London and Kendrick is Cade and Murdoch's own punishment for that little stunt. Some of the people holding titles now and in the past have baffled me a little. Deuce and Domino, for instance *shudder*

For the WWE fans: am i the only one who didn't think much of Rey Mysterio's return to Smackdown? I mean, obviously they're going to push him heavily now that he's back, but he just seemed asleep all night. Batista and Finlay had to oversell his offense because of how little he seemed to be putting into it. His knee injury may not have retired him, but he still doesn't seem like the same Rey.

 

I think they may have had Rey come back too early.  I know they were pushing for him to return at GAB and were a little upset that he didn't (they have also been pushing Shawn Micheals to return early, and he is refusing saying that he isn't ready -Shawn is projected to be back in Nov). I thought he looked really unlike himself at Summerslam, and that Chavo pretty much carried him through the whole match.  It's also obvious to long time Rey fans that Rey started taking steroids a few years ago and his body is too big for his frame now, and most of the bulk is in his torso.  I think it would do him good to lose some weight to be honest, the WWE wouldn't like that, I'm sure.

 

I figured they were going to have Hardy and MVP pick up the tag championship, thought I could have asked for it to happen in a better way. I don't suppose this pairing is going to be as amusing as the Angle/Benoit teaming back in '02, though.

Personally, I think Hardy/MVP is WWE's best feud right now.  I hope Matt eventually gets the title, though they are both great.  Actually I wouldn't mind seeing both of them get bumped up to upper-card status World title contenders and eventually have them as main eventers down the road...

Yeah, when I saw Punk's win announced on wwe.com, in a house show, no less, I knew Morrison was suspended. You get the feeling Orton has kissed the right butts in the past?

Technically it was tv taping not a house show.. Actually though, Orton has been in hot water with WWE a lot, and was even suspended for behavior problesms last year, it is thought that they just don't want to lose their main event for Unforgiven and muck up the angle with John Cena's father that they have going.  The original plan was actually for Orton to win the title at Summerslam, and then the title change was moved back to Unforgiven, and now it is thought they may have Cena beat Orton again and not give Orton the title at all since his name has been in the bad press.

 

And I wouldn't be surprised if losing their titles to London and Kendrick is Cade and Murdoch's own punishment for that little stunt. Some of the people holding titles now and in the past have baffled me a little. Deuce and Domino, for instance *shudder*

 

Deuce is Jimmy Snuka's son (he's adopted btw, in case anyone should look for family resemblance), so you can expect to see him get treated well in the WWE and have plenty of pushes.  I hope Cade and Murdoch keep the belts though, I especially like Murdoch.

Ric Flair has quit WWE.  He handed in his notice last week citing frustration with his lack of a push and poor communication from WWE officials, low morale, and politics in wrestling right now.  WWE is said to be vigorously trying to get him to re-sign as he is not under contract and has no 90-day no-compete clause. 

Well it's true, Flair has been getting ignored ever since he came to Smackdown. He had his title shot against MVP, and it seems like his few appearances since have all been losses. Still, I hope they can get him back.

 

I didn't know that about Deuce, but with that being the case, I'm not at all surprised they got they push they did. He and Domino are pretty decent wrestlers; it's probably just their gimmick I hate to death.

 

Mark Henry really needs a good push. I mean, they have him out there every week, but he only squares off against nobody jobbers. They really should have given him something to do while waiting for Undertaker to come back and destroy him. Smackdown isn't half the show without Undertaker around.

 

Don't get me wrong, I think the Hardy/MVP feud is great, but I liked the bitter-rivals-as-tag-champs bit better when it was Angle and Benoit - that was pure gold. But what about the Jamie Noble / Hornswoggle feud?  :D

 

So Outsider, who do you figure for Vince's new son?

Wrestling/MMA news...

MMA

Randy Couture has been tagged to star in a prequel to The Rock's 2002 movie "The Scorpion King".  In this movie The Rocks character is still a teenager (in other words The Rock won't be in it).

 

Wrestling

Wrestling Observer is reporting that London & Kendrick won the tag titles yesterday at a house show in Cape Town, South Africa.  This could be an unrecognized switch though, it has been known to happen on the road.  In that case they will lose them back to Cade & Murdoch at the next house show in Johannesburg and it will never be mentioned on tv.

 

Booker T may be quitting WWE.  He is said to be unhappy with new changes to the Wellness Policy (it will now be fining wrestlers $1000 every time they test positive for cannabis, though that will not count as a strike/suspendable offense).  It is also known that he has been unhappy since his switch to Raw.

 

It is looking more and more likely that Chris Jericho will be making a return to the WWE.  Rumor has it WWE has offered him a huge contract, possibly 7 figures, and that Chris is aware that he will not make that much pursuing an acting career or whatever he is doing now, and that he is ready to return to wrestling.  They are supposedly working on a deal that satisfies both parties, though that could take weeks or months to hammer out.

Well it's true, Flair has been getting ignored ever since he came to Smackdown. He had his title shot against MVP, and it seems like his few appearances since have all been losses. Still, I hope they can get him back.

 

I love Flair and would love to see him remain, but I don't think he should be pushed above the up and coming talent.  He should be used to build other guys, yet he should also be pushed enough to not be a jobber.  For instance, his match with Finlay should have been followed up with Flair playing dirty and getting some revenge.  Finlay isn't a young sprout either, and Flair should have got back as much as he gave with both men coming out looking better for it.  I know Flair had to take some time off after that bout because of problems with his ear causeing him balance problems or something of that nature, but it could have been followed up on his return.

 

 

I didn't know that about Deuce, but with that being the case, I'm not at all surprised they got they push they did. He and Domino are pretty decent wrestlers; it's probably just their gimmick I hate to death.

 

I didn't like it at first, but it has been growing on me.  Besides they are practically the only tag team on Smackdown right now.  They should get The Major Brothers more involved, and when are going to see the debut of Jesse & Festus?  They have been advertising them for months it seems.

 

Mark Henry really needs a good push. I mean, they have him out there every week, but he only squares off against nobody jobbers. They really should have given him something to do while waiting for Undertaker to come back and destroy him. Smackdown isn't half the show without Undertaker around.

 

Mark Henry just signed a new contract with WWE, so he should be around for awhile barring another injury (he seems to have a lot of them, possibly due to his size).  I don't guess we'll see any non-jobbers until after Unforgiven though, though they may have him work an extended program with Taker to give them something to do, unless of course they are going to move to put the strap back on Taker ASAP which is a possibility.

 

Don't get me wrong, I think the Hardy/MVP feud is great, but I liked the bitter-rivals-as-tag-champs bit better when it was Angle and Benoit - that was pure gold. But what about the Jamie Noble / Hornswoggle feud?  :D

 

I didn't get to see Angle/Benoit.  I didn't get to watch a lot of Smackdown until a year or two ago because we didn't have a UPN affiliate here.

 

Hopefully Jamie Noble will get the Cruiserweight title this week and end this debacle.  It has been entertaining, though.  Jamie Noble has been said to be speaking up more at talent meeting, offering ideas for matches and match endings, and management is said to be impressed about this, so hopefully it will mean a big push for him.  Noble really is one of the best wrestlers in the world.  He has the in-ring talent, athleticism, mic skills, and charisma.  He only lacks the size.  If he were half a foot taller and 50-75 pounds heavier he would probably be a main eventer by now.

 

So Outsider, who do you figure for Vince's new son?

 

I have no idea now.  I felt all along that it would be Mr. Kennedy, and a lot of people think it WAS going to be him but that it has been changed now.  Some people think it will be Triple H now, but I don't think so.  I hope not anyway.  I'm sure it will be a Raw superstar though.  And of course it won't or shouldn't be a known second generation superstar or anyone whose father has been featured, so we can rule out Cena, Orton, Rhodes, and Carlito.  Mr. Kennedy and Umaga and Charlie Haas have been ruled out due to suspensions.  You can probably rule out King Booker too given the above info.  They propably aren't going to have a low carder get the push.

 

Personally I think Shelton Benjamin would be the best choice.  There would be a lot of comedy potential there not only with the race thing, but it would give them an opportunity to bring back Shelton's Mamma, who of course is a larger lady and not attractive putting a twist on Vince's cheating...  Plus Shelton is one of the WWE's best athletes and a talented wrestler who deserves a push to the top, and it would give him something to do while his tag partner is gone.

Really, I could do with Jesse and Festus never making their debut. They are so unappealing it's not even funny. And have the Major Brothers even had a match on television in the last month?

 

I wouldn't be surprised to see them put the belt back on Undertaker as soon as possible; after all, they can't have meant to take it off him as fast as his injury forced them to. And why should that interfere with him feuding with Mark Henry? They could maneuver him right into title contention with little trouble, though I would kind of like to see him square off against Khali, like they teased us with at the Battle Royale where Khali picked up the title.

 

I would love to see Jericho return. Put him on Smackdown and let his ego collide with MVP and Edge  :D

 

I think they don't really know what to do with Flair. Like Hogan and Undertaker, his status is now so iconic that it's hard to do storylines without acknowledging it.

 

I agree that McMahon III will probably be someone from RAW, considering that's where Vince spends all his time, and I also really hope it isn't Triple H. I'm sure Stephanie would put the kibosh on that storyline in a heartbeat, like she stomped on the idea of Vince or Shane being the father of her child.

I think The Major Brothers are still spending time in OVW, and wrestling on Smackdown occasionally.  Jesse and Festus are also in OVW or at least made an appearance there a few weeks ago.  I was able to watch a couple of the OVW shows recently, and though I didn't see them actually wrestle, it seemed to me that Jesse and Festus got a big pop from the OVW crowd when they made an appearance, so I'm hoping there will be more to their characters than what we have seen in the skits.  I've heard their angle is supposed to be based on George and Lenny from Steinbeck's 'Of Mice and Men'. Hopefully when we see their characters developed and they interact with other superstars we will find out that they are comedy gold.  BTW (trivia time)Jesse is the son of Terry Gordy of the legendary Fabulous Freebirds and Festus was the Fake Kane.

 

One reason I can think of why the wouldn't want Taker and Henry feuding for too long is that Mark Henry has been known to accidentally injure people in his career due to his size and strenght, and limited wrestling ability.  Having just got Taker back they may not want to chance things.  Henry is always best used as a monster for squash matches anyway, as he has very limited mobility and a limited variety of moves.

 

Somehow I can't see WWE putting Jericho on Smackdown.  They don't make many bones about Raw being their top show, and if they pay him seven figures I think that is where they will want him, but who knows.

 

On who is Vince's son, I still haven't heard any actual news, but London or Kendrick seem to be popular choices among internet fan predictions at the moment...

 

 

Just when I thought we were finally going to have a match this year over the World Heavyweight Championship that didn't involve Batista...  :( I mean, I like him and all, but this is getting redundant.

 

I was thinking along the lines of a cruiserweight based on the clue "things are looking up", though it could also mean one of the particularly tall wrestlers and... oh, hell, it's going to be Festus, isn't it?  :( :( :(

 

Jesse and Festus, or at least Jesse, have a lot of enthusiasm, and that often overcomes other things. Kind of like how popular Vito when he was wearing out that lame crossdresser angle.

 

It would be kind of funny (and ironic, given the clue) to have Hornswoggle turn out to be Vince's son. That gag on Smackdown between him and Noble straight out of a Chuck Jones cartoon had me on the floor.  :D

I doubt it would be Festus, as he hasn't even wrestled a match yet or properly debuted.  But going along those same lines, it WOULD be a hell of a kick if it turned out to be Trevor Murdoch.  There would be some great comedy there, I can just imagine if Murdoch came out for his intro as Vince's son with a great big wad of tobacco in his mouth...  ;D  Plus he's a good wrestler who deserves a push, and lets just say he's not likely to be linked with steroids.  ;D

 

So now I'm rooting for either Shelton or Trevor to be the son... but as someone on one of the news formus pointed out, WWE almost always disappoints with these things so I'm not holding out hope for too much...

Yeah, I haven't really been able to think of anybody they could make it be that would be really good. Teasing it being Austin was amusing, though. I figure I'll end up disappointed no matter who they reveal it to be.

It would be kind of funny (and ironic, given the clue) to have Hornswoggle turn out to be Vince's son.

 

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

That did turn out to be quite funny.  I was just glad it wasn't Triple H after all.  I really didn't see it coming and thought it would be Trips after they revealed it was him.

 

Still, there isn't much they can do with Hornswoggle is there?  I wonder if it will be revealed when Kennedy comes back from his 'suspension for impersonating a McMahon' that Mr. Johnson is a phony lawyer that Triple H hired to play a joke on Mr. McMahon, and that Mr. Kennedy was telling the truth all along...  and get all the comedy out of the Hornswoggle storyline that they can in the meantime.  Or if they don't want to push Kennedy now, just reveal that it was all totally a joke by Triple H or someone else... Stephanie maybe.