Well, I finally started it. It's quite good, but I sort of wish that he wouldn't go into so much detail about the sexual things.

That is part of the intrigue. It's one of the main reasons why I enjoy it so much. I know Im not alone in this. It's nice to see a fantasy series directed at an adult audience.

 

Take away the sex and its still one of the best series out there. IMO it is numero uno. Cant wait until aDwD.

GRRM goes for realism, it's his shtick.

WHAT, I just got to the part where Ned dies, one of the things I like about RJ, is that he doesn't kill his main characters right away, especially not the ones I like, I loved Ned.

 

*sobs*

Yeah, that's the other thing he does. Ned's not the only main character who's going to die in this series. And Ned really HAD to die so that his children could actually do something. There's no story without his death.

yeah, I suppose you're right, but I just always like the ppl like Ned and like Perrin, who hate all the intruge (or however you say that) and stuff of the court.

 

ummmm I just saw a spoiler, (no wonder) I was looking on wikipedia about Eddard, and it said that he was imprisoned and then executed, I thought that what's his name's dagger killed him.

no the dagger (who you don't know the owner of yet) doesn't kill him.

Actually let me rephrase that, you know the owner, you don't know who used it.

well, the one who used it was some hired man I believe, and the one who sent him, has to be either Jaime or Cersei.

You'll see in Storm of Swords

book 3.

 

weel, less than 7 1/2 hours till first book is done.

I actualy thought that too many of the main people die in those books.

 

It kinda got on my nerves and made it so that I didn't like the books as much.

I'm starting to understand what you mean.

So, where I'm at, Ilyn Payne just lopped off Ned's head.

Well GRRM knows where he's going, so he's only killing off the characters that used up their need.

The fact that any of his characters can die at any time keeps you on edge. I think their are 2 characters who are untouchable as far as killing off but if I named them it might spoil some things for those who havent read up to the 4th installment.

Im not sure I understand your problem with the mature content in the book(s)

Are you ashamed of the natural processes of the human form?

 

Heres a link to the sample chapter GrrM released on monday...

...From A Dance with Dragons

___Tyrion___

thanks for the link to the sample chapter. Tyrion I missed you. I hope they have a Jon sample posted soon.

I hope so too...

but realistically I think It'll be a WHILE.

Daenarys was the previous sample and it was up for the last year at least.

you never know though.

Well he says he's done with the Jon Snow chapters, but honestly I'd much rather just have the book.

The fact that any of his characters can die at any time keeps you on edge. I think their are 2 characters who are untouchable as far as killing off but if I named them it might spoil some things for those who havent read up to the 4th installment.

 

I'm not sure if anyone is untouchable in his world. And I like that; it's refreshing. On the one hand' date=' it's enjoyable with RJ that you know, for the most part, that the good guys will come out on top. Nothing wrong with that at all. But with GRRM, you don't know [i']at all[/i]. Anyone can be killed off or anything can happen. I can't tell you how many times I had to pause reading simply from shock. Most crucially, a certain espousal comes to mind... Wow.

 

It gets frustrating when people you like are suddenly snipped out, but it definantly doesn't let you get lazy. Simply a masterpiece.

The fact that any of his characters can die at any time keeps you on edge. I think their are 2 characters who are untouchable as far as killing off but if I named them it might spoil some things for those who havent read up to the 4th installment.

 

Like me who is only just finishing A Clash of Kings.

 

But, I would say that it is Tyrion and Jon.

Cheeky, I'm sure in a few years you will appreciate the sexual content a little more...

But yes, it is definitely an adult series, unlike most of the fantasy that I've come across. I rather like the change, it makes for more interesting reading the second time around. The less involved books can only be fun once or twice, but this one will be enjoyable many times.

 

You eventually get used to the idea that mains are going to be killed off, and then it stops being a disturbance, and becomes part of the intrigue! You never know who's going to go next.

SHHHHHH!!! You're inuring him to the death to come!!

I know Robb will die and prolly Cat, of course Cat's papa. But, Maester Lewin dying really surprised me.

I think it helps prevent the cast from becoming too unwieldy.

 

There's only one death I am hoping isn't true. We only hear of it second hand, so one can't say if it's really real or not.