And how wonderful is it. I didn't see Egwene resisting the urge to verbally slap Elaida around at all--though I did get that Silviana would be drawn in as a result of the dinner (yay me!)

 

Most of my ideas were formed around the understanding it would be one book, but that's out the window now. How frickan wonderful is that. Surprises, surprises!

I'm with you there Luckers. I was hoping for some big blow up as well. But I think this plot line is going to go in an interesting direction.

Did you find chapter 2 a little slow paced though? I dunno, maybe its cos I never heard the audiobooks before, but the first part of the chapter was a little slow. Elaida..is unbelievable..just retarded...

 

Anyways, Luckers, what were you wrong abt exactly?

 

Edit: Isn't it interesting how Egwene remembers Rand's suffering at the hand's of Elaida and it still pisses her off? Whereas Rand is having doubts about Egwene's loyalties? (for the lack of a better word)

 

Maybe (here's the stretch), Egwene's doubting Rand was a product of Arangar's massages? I dunno, just a thought...

I thought Egwene would destroy Elaida verbally, and that Elaida would order her arrested and sent to the cells. It was there that I thought we would see Silviana approach her (feeling a duty for a novice supposedly under her command) and that therein Egwene would reveal the offbalance things Elaida had said in the dinner, leading to Silviana being thoughtful (and later down the line joining with Egwene).

 

This was mostly based in the idea that the book had to happen fast in order to fit, which I hadn't truly shrugged off till now. Obviously the split allows for more room--and subtler plot lines. Which is cool. Deeply, utterly cool.

 

And Owners.Inc I think you'll find it's no slower that Egwene's KoD chapters--it's a heavily thoughtful sequence, which when voaclized seems slower.

 

 

 

It now seems likely to me, incidently, that Egwene and the Black Ajah Hunters will come together. Originally I thought this would happen after Egwene was arrested--and possibly not until she'd secured the Amyrlin Seat.

 

But the foreshadow in this chapter--her consideration of Alviarin, her realising that Elaida knew Meidani was a spy, her wondering why Meidani hadn't fled, her asking to meet the spies, the fact that Meidani will be forced to tell the Hunters of everything which occured, their fear of Elaida being Black--all of it will result in them coming together.

 

Whereupon, as per KoD foreshadowing, Egwene's knowledge of Alviarin's letter will led them to realise she is the Black sister.

That was about the coolest thing that could happen to me this morning.

 

My prediction was that Elaida would be drunk, and that Meidani would help Egwene knock Elaida out long enough for the forkroot to wear off. I also was trying to figure out how Egwene would survive her run in with Elaida.  I like this way much better.

 

As for predictions about this encounter bringing in Silviana, thats kind of like predicting that the sun will rise, obviously there isn't much in-book time to devote to the developing relationship between the two, and the dinner was the obvious point for this relationship to reach fruition.

 

Now the idea of another dinner in a few days, raises the definate possibility of an Egwene Vs. Elaida showdown....

 

 

That was about the coolest thing that could happen to me this morning.

 

My prediction was that Elaida would be drunk, and that Meidani would help Egwene knock Elaida out long enough for the forkroot to wear off. I also was trying to figure out how Egwene would survive her run in with Elaida.  I like this way much better.

 

I too thought she'd be drunk. The violence was unlikely, though--it would undo the image Egwene was trying to build. If she'd wanted to escape she could have organised it very efficiently through TAR.

 

As for predictions about this encounter bringing in Silviana, thats kind of like predicting that the sun will rise, obviously there isn't much in-book time to devote to the developing relationship between the two, and the dinner was the obvious point for this relationship to reach fruition.

 

No. Yay me. Stop stealing my glory by brining up common sense! Heh.

 

Now the idea of another dinner in a few days, raises the definate possibility of an Egwene Vs. Elaida showdown....

 

And maybe my original idea has merit yet--arrested and sent to the dungeons, but following her alligning with the Hunters and Silviana. I still reckon the idea of Egwene being in the cells for the Seanchan attack is cool. She starts issueing commands, even behind bars, and they are followed.

I didn't see Egwene using freedom from forkroot to escape, I saw her using it to take over, or at the very least to rid the tower of Eladia.  I think there would have been a certain nobility to Egwene capturing Elaida opening a gateway to turn her over to the rebels, and then remain in the tower to try to finish the journey that she's been on.

 

Let the Tower sisters see if their Amrylin stood up to captivity half as well at the rebel amrylin has.

 

I suspect that the next few days of Egwene time will deal with her meeting with the ferrets, and since the BA hunters have the ferrets firmly under thumb, dealing with her meeting with the hunters as well.  Along those lines, I suspect that Egwene's plotline will go to the BA purge first, perhaps culminating in the seanchan raid or in the end of Elaida, either would be a fitting end.

 

Egwene's got the goods on Alviarin's letter, but I don't think we should forget that Verin's got the goods on Katerine, and I suspect that Verin will be making an appearance at the tower pretty soon, perhaps sniffing for the horn in the same basements that the BA Hunters are making use of as well....

Mmm. I agree completely on both fronts.

Mmm. I agree completely on both fronts.

 

That's one for the record books, have we every completely agreed on anything before?  ;)

Once, but it caused a time paradox so no one remembers.

I suspect that the next few days of Egwene time will deal with her meeting with the ferrets, and since the BA hunters have the ferrets firmly under thumb, dealing with her meeting with the hunters as well.  Along those lines, I suspect that Egwene's plotline will go to the BA purge first, perhaps culminating in the seanchan raid or in the end of Elaida, either would be a fitting end.

 

Egwene's got the goods on Alviarin's letter, but I don't think we should forget that Verin's got the goods on Katerine, and I suspect that Verin will be making an appearance at the tower pretty soon, perhaps sniffing for the horn in the same basements that the BA Hunters are making use of as well....

 

When the Hunters finally start talking to Egwene, I'm sure they'll also have her take the Three Oaths.  That should make her becoming the "Official" Amyrlin Seat a little easier.

I got the same wrong on how I expected Egwene to behave around Elaida. Annoyingly, because now that we have seen what happens, we can also see that RJ did foreshadow this in KOD when Egwene figures out how to deal with the beatings.

I didn't see Egwene using freedom from forkroot to escape, I saw her using it to take over, or at the very least to rid the tower of Eladia.  I think there would have been a certain nobility to Egwene capturing Elaida opening a gateway to turn her over to the rebels, and then remain in the tower to try to finish the journey that she's been on.

 

Let the Tower sisters see if their Amrylin stood up to captivity half as well at the rebel amrylin has.

 

I suspect that the next few days of Egwene time will deal with her meeting with the ferrets, and since the BA hunters have the ferrets firmly under thumb, dealing with her meeting with the hunters as well.  Along those lines, I suspect that Egwene's plotline will go to the BA purge first, perhaps culminating in the seanchan raid or in the end of Elaida, either would be a fitting end.

 

Egwene's got the goods on Alviarin's letter, but I don't think we should forget that Verin's got the goods on Katerine, and I suspect that Verin will be making an appearance at the tower pretty soon, perhaps sniffing for the horn in the same basements that the BA Hunters are making use of as well....

That would be a totally awesome meeting, I'd love to see what Verin thinks of the situation in the Tower.

I suspect that the next few days of Egwene time will deal with her meeting with the ferrets, and since the BA hunters have the ferrets firmly under thumb, dealing with her meeting with the hunters as well.  Along those lines, I suspect that Egwene's plotline will go to the BA purge first, perhaps culminating in the seanchan raid or in the end of Elaida, either would be a fitting end.

 

Egwene's got the goods on Alviarin's letter, but I don't think we should forget that Verin's got the goods on Katerine, and I suspect that Verin will be making an appearance at the tower pretty soon, perhaps sniffing for the horn in the same basements that the BA Hunters are making use of as well....

 

When the Hunters finally start talking to Egwene, I'm sure they'll also have her take the Three Oaths.  That should make her becoming the "Official" Amyrlin Seat a little easier.

 

She'll refuse to take an oath of obedience though.

If she takes the three oaths she's a fool and anyway they won't help becaause if she does take them they'll be no witnesses that the rebels trust.  The ageless look takes a few years.  I think though that it would be very interesting to see a meeting between Verin and Egwene now.  Speaking Verin I wonder If the three Taveren are the only ones in the Karetheon Cycle or if Very Important lesser characters make an apperance

How easy will it be for Egwene to hook up with the BA hunters? The fourth oath makes the ferrets completely obdient. They have been ordered not to give up the BA hunters to anyone, including Egwene. I think that they will approach her once she starts gathering in the ferrets. Something may come out once she starts questioning them and giving orders. However, I think the hunters will confront her or maybe confide in her.

 

What is Egwene's facination with Alviarin? I don't think she has put the letter to Rand and the BA yet. She may view Alviarin as another potential ally. Who better to help her than another that Elaida has mistreated and demoted.

 

I don't think that these plot lines will be resolved before the Seanchan attack. I have a feeling that they will attack in the next couple of days. I don't think it will be an all out attack either. Even with to'raken, the Seanchan can only move about 2000 people quickly. That is assuming 20 riders per to'raken and 100 to'raken. The main purpose of the attack will be to collar marath'damane. During the attack that Elaida dismisses there is chance of, she will freak out, or be drunk and be unable to direct a responce. Egwene will start giving orders, fight off the attack, save the Tower and start Elaida's final down fall.

If she takes the three oaths she's a fool and anyway they won't help becaause if she does take them they'll be no witnesses that the rebels trust.  The ageless look takes a few years.  I think though that it would be very interesting to see a meeting between Verin and Egwene now.  Speaking Verin I wonder If the three Taveren are the only ones in the Karetheon Cycle or if Very Important lesser characters make an apperance

 

I'm confused - why would the Rebels stop trusting Egwene if she takes the Three Oaths?  What does the ageless look have to do with that?

Obviously Egwene doesn't want to escape.  Crazy thought:  Could Egwene go int TAR, then open a gateway in her rooms that leads directly to the real world in her "living quarters," then step through the gateway and stay in TAR until the forkroot wears off?

 

Or can she not channel in TAR either because of the forkroot?

 

Anyway, not likely to happen, but totally possible.

If she takes the three oaths she's a fool and anyway they won't help becaause if she does take them they'll be no witnesses that the rebels trust.  The ageless look takes a few years.  I think though that it would be very interesting to see a meeting between Verin and Egwene now.  Speaking Verin I wonder If the three Taveren are the only ones in the Karetheon Cycle or if Very Important lesser characters make an apperance

 

I'm confused - why would the Rebels stop trusting Egwene if she takes the Three Oaths?  What does the ageless look have to do with that?

 

I think the idea was no one would believe that she took the oaths, and there's no way to really prove it.

 

btl.

Obviously Egwene doesn't want to escape.  Crazy thought:  Could Egwene go int TAR, then open a gateway in her rooms that leads directly to the real world in her "living quarters," then step through the gateway and stay in TAR until the forkroot wears off?

 

Or can she not channel in TAR either because of the forkroot?

 

Anyway, not likely to happen, but totally possible.

No, she can come to TAR in the flesh, but she will have to make a gateway from the actual world into TAR. From then she can go outside and make a gate to the rebel camp. But if she could do that, she could also make a direct gateway to the rebel camp.

If she takes the three oaths she's a fool and anyway they won't help becaause if she does take them they'll be no witnesses that the rebels trust.  The ageless look takes a few years.  I think though that it would be very interesting to see a meeting between Verin and Egwene now.  Speaking Verin I wonder If the three Taveren are the only ones in the Karetheon Cycle or if Very Important lesser characters make an apperance

 

I'm confused - why would the Rebels stop trusting Egwene if she takes the Three Oaths?  What does the ageless look have to do with that?

 

I think the idea was no one would believe that she took the oaths, and there's no way to really prove it.

 

btl.

Of course she cou;ld prove it: she can't tell a lie, so she can't say that red is blue.

I think the idea was no one would believe that she took the oaths, and there's no way to really prove it.

 

Definitely.  Or else the sisters who give her the oaths can swear to it.  I'm not sure why it would be more difficult for Egwene to prove than any other Aes Sedai.

Of course she cou;ld prove it: she can't tell a lie, so she can't say that red is blue.

 

That doesn't prove it. You can't prove it if the person is determined not to reveal it unless you catch them in a lie.

That's not proof - it's very easy to fake not being able to lie.  It's much easier to prove the other way (that she hadn't taken the oaths).

I can think of an even better way to prove it - Just retake the oaths! Problem solved!