Yeah, but wouldn't that be seen as "rude" to ask an Aes Sedai to retake the Oaths.  I mean, until the hunters started doing it with the Black Ajah.

 

Anyway, the non-ageless face would prove it eventually.

Yeah. It would be seen as rude. But no less rude than questioning whether or not Egwene had taken the oaths in the first place. If she has to prove it, she'll retake the oaths without them asking just because she knows she has to prove it.

 

That being said, I don't know that she'll ever have to prove it. People just kind of assume that she has already, so the issue might just be forgotten.

Yeah. It would be seen as rude. But no less rude than questioning whether or not Egwene had taken the oaths in the first place. If she has to prove it, she'll retake the oaths without them asking just because she knows she has to prove it.

 

That being said, I don't know that she'll ever have to prove it. People just kind of assume that she has already, so the issue might just be forgotten.

 

She will be taking them when the BA hunters talk to her. Once she proves who she is and is not a DF..they will be a very powerful allies.

A couple random comments:

 

I wonder if the BA hunters retaking the oaths repeatedly will further reduce their lifespan.  Such a thing might make even the Aes Sedai question the wisdom of using the oath rod.

 

It's also possible that Cadsuane might run into problems given her supposed age.  She'd certainly be one to abandon the oaths if doing so meant she could accomplish her goals.  Nynaeve, of course, is in a position to figure out what's wrong if Cadsuane suddenly becomes ill or something,

 

Egwene is being given forkroot many times per day.  At what point does she build up a tolerance to the effects?

 

I too figured that Egwene attending Elaida would mean an explosion, but I figured Egwene would be ordered repeatedly birched or scheduled for execution, both of which would bring the Tower conflict to a head.

 

I wonder what, if anything, Nicola will end up doing.  She knows how to link (as of LOC) and she's definitely one for picking up knowledge she isn't supposed to have.  I'd not be surprised to learn she knew the weave for Traveling but kept it to herself.

 

It will be interesting to see how the BA hunt plays out.  I suspect that the Pevara's new Warder(s) will play a significant role.  Actually, I see Pevara being captured and questioned bye Alviarin or Mesaana, which would definitely get things rolling.

 

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I don't think they will make eg take the oaths because she has not been raised AS. It would be acknowledging the rebel's actions in a way that I dont anticipate happening. Plus, if her vision is true which I know was a "possible future", not a real foretelling), she will be unbound when the seanchan attack.

 

Here's the curveball: What if, in defending the WT from the sc, egwene is the one who dies that causes rand to lose it hardcore.  She emerges from the cells during the seanchan attack rallying the tower, demonstrating her leadership and elaida becomes discredited.  For some reason rand is there and, in the end, she dies protecting rand.  While unifying the tower it also significantly damages the WT and the whole tower kneels to a mourning, emotionally-crushed rand.

 

Do we have any evidence that egwene will survive to see TG? Any visions from min or anything?

"Vision"? If you're referring to her test for Accepted, it was not a vision at all. While it seems to incorporate real things (such as Sharina being Aes Sedai in Nynaeve's test, and Rand knowing the 13 Dreadlords + 13 Fades trick in Egwene's), it also incorporates untrue things. (Egwene has the ageless face despite not having sworn the oaths.)

 

It also did not involve Seanchan at all. In fact, the only reason I'm even asking if that is what you're referring to is because that is the only "vision" where we are specifically told Egwene hasn't taken the Oaths.

Yup, thats the one.  The test for accepted, so you are right, not vision but, well, test. Interesting, I hadn't recalled the ageless face part. So toss that part out.  I still think they wouldn't make her take the oaths having never taken the test or sworn before.

The hunters forced the BA that they found, and the ferrets, to take the extra oath.  But how do the hunters force them?  I can see Egwene being sat down and instructed to take the loayalty oath, but once she has the Oath Rod in her hands she takes the three oaths instead.  Egwene has already proven her resistance to coercion and beatings.  The hunters, I expect, would then have at least a grudging admiration for Egwene.  And after taking the oaths, she asserts to the hunters that she is Amyrlin Seat rather than novice.  This lays the foundation for turning to Egwene when Elaida fails.

Did you find chapter 2 a little slow paced though? I dunno, maybe its cos I never heard the audiobooks before, but the first part of the chapter was a little slow. Elaida..is unbelievable..just retarded...

 

Anyways, Luckers, what were you wrong abt exactly?

 

Edit: Isn't it interesting how Egwene remembers Rand's suffering at the hand's of Elaida and it still pisses her off? Whereas Rand is having doubts about Egwene's loyalties? (for the lack of a better word)

 

Maybe (here's the stretch), Egwene's doubting Rand was a product of Arangar's massages? I dunno, just a thought...

 

I thought it went to fast! :P

 

Also about rand doubting Egwene...

I think it was in the first book? Or maybe the 2nd... I can't remember if it was a dream or a 'vision of the future' or what, but remember when rand was in the white tower, crumbling around him, and a bunch of Aes Sedia who were actually 'black Aes Sedia' trying to still him with 13 myrdraal? (the method they use to convert him) And Egwene had been 'stripped' of the amyrillian shawl? And had to 'rescue' Rand?

I believe it was one of Egwenes 'dreams'.

 

Infact, I believe she had stated in this dream, that she was an Aes Sedia who could lie, becuase she, unlike the other Aes Sedia didn't take the all of the 3 oaths.

 

Am I the only one who thinks that this 'prophecy' isn't to far fetched, and RJ did NOT forget about this one?

Edit: Isn't it interesting how Egwene remembers Rand's suffering at the hand's of Elaida and it still pisses her off? Whereas Rand is having doubts about Egwene's loyalties? (for the lack of a better word)

Egwene doesn't think anything negative about the rumours of Rand's capture. If anything, her lack of reaction shows she is recklessly indifferent to it, and wants to exploit it as part of undermining Elaida. Her thoughts certainly don't indicated she is pissed at the capture itself. She thinks that she can leverage the rumour to reinforce the fact that Elaida has failed to 'contain' Rand, which goes hand in hand with her presumption that Rand is lost without Aes Sedai guidance.

 

Personally, I think Rand's thoughts were dark, but more cynical hyperbole than literal. Whereas Egwene here is being just as irritating as she ever was under Arangar's ministrations.