Should have lynched me.

Are you serious!!?

 

I am sorry to hear the Player!!! :'(

 

Well crap.. So.. Who were the people for letting Player die by mod kill?

 

As far as I'm concerened, an inactive detective is worthless. We didn't know his alignment and I feel no remorse for the modkill. I would have like to have lynched Pete, but that'll have to wait for another day, I guess.

Ed did you not notice there are 30 players in this game? Granted in a game of 20 I would say my ability is questionable. I just wonder what the heck the mafia has as powers. Lily balances things out which means they have a lot of arsenal on their side.

 

Ed I still think you could be a symp or cult. Then again anyone could be we don't know.

 

Maybe the mafia will kill Pete for you Aemon.

 

What gets me is Player was active there at first. Have no clue why he didn't vote yesterday. It just sucks we are a detective down. Given the character Basil I would say he was town aligned.

And now we wait.  Unless you have a night action, in which case you have something to do.  In the words of Rob Schnieder....You can doeeet!

Player,  Basil, the Great Mouse Detective, Detective, town aligned, has been put to sleep.

 

It is now Night, until Monday, 8 PM MST (GMT -7) or until all night actions are in. Please send them in promptly.

 

Aemon I am half tempted to case you just because of your callus attitude. What we allowed to happen was sheer stupidity. I haven't posted yet nor will post for a while until I'm not so... annoyed. He might not have been the most active player but a minimally active detective would still have been insanely useful to the town. UGHHHH! The thing that gets me is that you haven't learned from this. THIS IS EXACTLY why player controlled lynches are important. He didn't check in to long after Lily posted, what happens if he would have voted and the random lynch landed on one of our healers... HUH? Ok... I'll come back later.

 

Min I quoted Lily, it says right there he was town aligned. I do think Ed might be some third party entity, but for now I trust him.

 

Ed does have a point there are a lot of detective roles, of course it sounds like there are a lot of interference roles to. So many actions going on at night it is crazy... I'm sure we'll find out tomorrow.

 

Talya just for ironic fun you are probably going to be targeted tonight. *Laughs* Do you have any information for us as to why you were vote less Day 2?

 

I agree with looking at Pete, much like Talya and her reputation if the mafia don't kill them they most likely have joined them. I mean why would Aust and Amadine been targeted Night 1? They barely posted...

 

Good Night, I'll see all of you tomorrow.

*sighs* I hope someone still has the resurrection ability. But I guess that'd be wishful thinking.

 

I'm sure a Wombat lynch would have been better than having our detective killed.

 

Just checking in for the weekend. Tomorrow's probably not gonna be a possibility seeing what I've got planned.

 

 

I can already see what's going to happen. everybody is so upset about losing an inactive player (yes it sucks to lose a detective, but if he isn't doing anything, how does that help at all?) that now they're going to bandwagon Wombat again so we lose another innocent. Al Jenn:

 

I don't know....alot of that will depend on what tonight reveals, and what happens with Wombat tomorrow.  Remember his behavior changed after the first day.  So it could still have been some sort of post restriction. 

 

Hopefully the Healer gets lucky and picks someone targetd for nk and reduces the Mafia effectiveness.  We'll just have to see what dawn brings us.  :-\

Oops. Hit post when I wanted to quote. Here we go again.

 

I can already see what's going to happen. everybody is so upset about losing an inactive player (yes it sucks to lose a detective, but if he isn't doing anything, how does that help at all?) that now they're going to bandwagon Wombat again so we lose another innocent. Al Jenn:

Player,  Basil, the Great Mouse Detective, Detective, town aligned, has been put to sleep.

 

It is now Night, until Monday, 8 PM MST (GMT -7) or until all night actions are in. Please send them in promptly.

 

Aemon I am half tempted to case you just because of your callus attitude. What we allowed to happen was sheer stupidity. I haven't posted yet nor will post for a while until I'm not so... annoyed. He might not have been the most active player but a minimally active detective would still have been insanely useful to the town. UGHHHH! The thing that gets me is that you haven't learned from this. THIS IS EXACTLY why player controlled lynches are important. He didn't check in to long after Lily posted, what happens if he would have voted and the random lynch landed on one of our healers... HUH? Ok... I'll come back later.

 

 

I put in bold the things I want to address. You say I haven't learned. I HAVE learned. You wanted to lynch someone we are all pretty sure is innocent instead of an inactive of undefined alignment. I would prefer to keep the presumed innocent and vote for the presumed scum. I don't know why you think voting for an innocent to control the lynch equates to town victory. I guess you play a different game than I do. If you always vote with the crowd instead of choosing your own lynches, the mafia/cult will win every time. Vote with your head, not the with the masses.

 

Point number two: What would have happened if he had voted and we didn;t have a majority? Random modkill. Again, I say better that than trying to lynch a presumed innocent. There would have at least been a chance of hitting mafia/cult in that case. Unfortunately, he did not vote. He posted roughly 4 hours after the deadline. And that was after the deadline had been extended 24 hours. What would you do if he didn't check anyone during the night phase? We would get no information from him at all. And as the game went on more and more people would see him as being scummy and eventually call him a lurker and lynch him. I'm sorry you feel we should have just all gotten together and lynched anybody at all instead of losing an inactive player. If you want to case me, go right ahead. I stand by what I said here.

I have to agree... inactive detective is almost as bad as no detective.  I don't agree, however, that Wombat is "presumed innocent"?  Is that who you were meaning Aemon?  You mentioned him in the earlier post.  I don't presume the innocence of anyone but myself.  Even finder confirmed innocent or mod confirmed innocent.  Those are the prime choices for mafia/cult to recruit.  NOTHING, anywhere at all, would make me "presume" Wombat was innocent.  Why do you think so?

fI presumed him to be innocent due to the PR that he supposedly has. I don't believe he was recruited night 1, though you make a good point that the mafia or cult might now recruit him. What I meant to point out was that everybody agreed he was a nuisance but not overly scummy. He's just begging to be lynched. That is why I encouraged people to vote for Pete, whom I believed to be scummy for encouraging a bandwagon on an annnoying person rather than someone who really seemed scummy.

fI presumed him to be innocent due to the PR that he supposedly has. I don't believe he was recruited night 1, though you make a good point that the mafia or cult might now recruit him. What I meant to point out was that everybody agreed he was a nuisance but not overly scummy. He's just begging to be lynched. That is why I encouraged people to vote for Pete, whom I believed to be scummy for encouraging a bandwagon on an annnoying person rather than someone who really seemed scummy.

 

I do not think that was the reason Pete wanted to lynch Wombat.  I'm pretty sure it was the possibility that he was a Jester and getting rid of him is a move some townies like to make.  Others might disagree, but I think he did have a reason...I'm just a little too lazy to go dig for it.

fI presumed him to be innocent due to the PR that he supposedly has. I don't believe he was recruited night 1, though you make a good point that the mafia or cult might now recruit him. What I meant to point out was that everybody agreed he was a nuisance but not overly scummy. He's just begging to be lynched. That is why I encouraged people to vote for Pete, whom I believed to be scummy for encouraging a bandwagon on an annnoying person rather than someone who really seemed scummy.

 

you put so many words in my mouth aemon. You are starting to make me think you are scum even more. Your crusade to try and get me lynched cost us a finder. I never proposed lynching him based on annoyance, I proposed lynching a person I felt like was a jester. A jester is just as much and probably more anti-town then they are solo. You seem determined to split the votes and get us no information to look over. He very well could have been recruited by now also.

 

I'm surprised no one has questioned amadine. I have saw in games, where a resurrected player loses their allignment and becomes a seperate entity along with person that resurrects them. The possibility is small but you can not make anyone a 100% confirmed innocent on your mind  

 

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you beat me to the punch

I have never played in a game with a jester and the definitions provided and statements form people who hae played with them all boiled down to "he'll bug the hell out of you and that's about it". I tried to lead a lynch on you based on the fact that you wanted to lynch an annoying character. I did not "try to split the votes", as you would have peole believe. I tried to get everyone to vote for you. I cannot be blamed for Player not casting a vote. I cannot be blamed for the players that voted neither for Wombat nor for you. I'll lead a lynch on anyone I believe is acting scummy. Would you do any different?

Absolutely not, I would try and lynch anyone I believe is scum.

 

I have stated time and time again, that a jester can cause chaos that will allow mafia to slip by people's radars. That is a good enough to lynch a player IMO. If it isn't in your's you must be someone who will benefit from chaos caused.

Or someone who has never seen the chaos caused and is therefore skeptical of it.

Well I gave you personal experience from when I was a jester, and when I played games with jesters. So you being skeptical is your own fault. The games are in OG if you want to look them up.

Plus Jester roles are not townie roles.  They are solos... therefore, as Verb said, some townies like to get rid of them because they are not townie and they are distracting from trying to find the mafia.  Some don't like to lynch them because lynching a jester lets them win.  Either way it's just to keep them from winning by keeping them around.. not because they are a help in even numbers for the town.

 

That being said.. having a PR doesn't make you innocent any more than just proclaiming you are does.  I've given an innocent player the ability to give other players a PR in a game just for the fun of it. Heck, in one of my games DPR's sole purpose was to just hand out PR's to other players.  He was 100 percent innocent.. he was just "comic relief" if you will. (and a bit of a distractor)  That is where tongue guy came to be.

 

Far has done games where EVERYONE had a pr. (those were a blast!) At any rate.. it doesn't prove alignment.

I have ran games, where the mafia has the power to give someone a pr and then they give it to another mafioso to make them appear innocent.

I think the only time I've seen a jester, it was Pandy in Nae's game and he started outting all the roled players he could find.  Letting jesters win can be a very smart play.  My only issue with lynching Wombat is that I didn't think he was a jester.  I'd have voted differently if I thought he was.

Point taken.

I agree Pookie.  I was more fearful of a bomb type thing.  Lynching him would take out the hammer or a random person on his lynch or something worse.  Even something like Al suggested, giving the mafia two nks, would be bad.  I say we wait and see if he is still like that tommorow or if someone else starts acting weird too.

We need to get together on whether or not we want to lynch Wombat.  If we can't for tomorrow then we will probably have another modkill because so many players are set on lynching him and so many are set on not lynching him. One way or another it needs to be decided.  If he is a jester, so what, let him win with us.  If he's a bomb then there would probably be as much chance as scum being the hammer as any of the town *shrugs*

I say we lynch him!

I agree that PR's can be done to hide mafia. I have done it myself in a game. So, Wombat can't be counted as innocent. Adella and Boopsy are the only innocents I am sure of and they could also be recruited tonight so we really don't know.,

Let's keep our head in the game guys. We are hunting scum! We need to find scum and put them to sleep. At least if Pooh and Piglet team can do their job tonight we might have some insight!!!