Loved this episode. Getting a bit fed up with the Doctor ultra-sounding (or whatever it is the Tardis does) Amy though. Something freaky's going on I get it already, don't have to shove it in my face every episode. Also I'm a bit disappointed we only got a glimpse of eye-patch lady. I was hoping for a bit of speech again, something to give us a few hints.

The "ultra sound" doesnt' bother me but the using the sonic screw driver as a scanner is getting a little over done.

The "ultra sound" doesnt' bother me but the using the sonic screw driver as a scanner is getting a little over done.

Using the sonic screwdriver in general is a little overdone.

Okay so I could rant on and on about this, but I'll keep it short.

First off, I'm wondering if anyone else shares my opinion that this season has a lot wrong with it, and that the writing is not nearly so good as the past?'

I realize the idea was to change things, but to me, it seems like Steven Moffat is trying to change things just to change things, and not be similar to Russell T. Davies.

The Doctor is way different, which I may not like, but I can accept.

 

Now the breaking point for me was in the episode 'The Doctor's Wife', which to be fair to Moffat, was actually written by Neil Gaiman. This episode, in my opinion contains the worst line in series at least since the revamp, since I haven't seen all the original stuff.

 

"We're going to build a TARDIS."

 

This line sincerely pissed me off, because it completely ignores the fact that TARDIS' aren't built, they are grown!

 

Even if you ignore that fact though, the episode makes no sense, because the TARDIS has a living soul, as we see when it is put into a human body, so how the hell is The Doctor supposed to be able to build a working TARDIS without a living soul?

 

The only redeeming aspect in this episode for me was the fact that it showed Eccleston's TARDIS for a bit.

 

I could go into more detail but for now this will suffice.

Humans aren't built, they are grown - do you object to Frankenstein building a human from spare parts? I fail to see how the episode makes no sense on the grounds of the TARDIS he builds not having a living soul - firstly, it's possible to build a time machine with no apparent living soul, and secondly, it's not like it has to be a very good TARDIS, it only has to make one trip. Also, Doctor Who is guilty of far greater sins against its own continuity than this. This series does have some problems. You'd be hard pushed to find a series of Doctor Who that didn't. But they are not hugely serious problems - more minor niggles. But if you wish to rant in greater detail, feel free.

Wrong forum.

Eh it was general by my standards.

 

Well Frankenstein was still alive, whereas a spare parts TARDIS was/is not. A TARDIS isn't just a time machine anyway, it is way more complicated than that. A TARDIS works because it has a living soul. When the living part dies, the TARDIS no longer works, because it is powered by the living part. That has been shown on the show as well. There is simply no plausible way that a TARDIS made from old scrap parts could work, even if 'another TARDIS' helped build it.

Also especially with the older new series' they didn't completely disregard established facts like such. Just because there may have been worse doesn't mean it isn't bad enough.

What bothers me is the fact that they are ignoring the previous seasons. I realize there isn't necessarily always going to be the overlap and continuing plot like in the first four series', they ended that, but that doesn't mean you have to completely ignore them.

 

Basically it is something that they changed when there was no reason to, and it doesn't make sense to.

Talm i moved it here cause your likely to get more responses. i can ask Krak to move it back if you want i'm cool with this type of discussion in the gen forum as well

Lol no it's fine it doesn't really matter.

Either way is fine. I totally forgot about this forum actually.

Eh it was general by my standards.

 

Well Frankenstein was still alive, whereas a spare parts TARDIS was/is not. A TARDIS isn't just a time machine anyway, it is way more complicated than that. A TARDIS works because it has a living soul. When the living part dies, the TARDIS no longer works, because it is powered by the living part. That has been shown on the show as well. There is simply no plausible way that a TARDIS made from old scrap parts could work, even if 'another TARDIS' helped build it.

Also especially with the older new series' they didn't completely disregard established facts like such. Just because there may have been worse doesn't mean it isn't bad enough.

What bothers me is the fact that they are ignoring the previous seasons. I realize there isn't necessarily always going to be the overlap and continuing plot like in the first four series', they ended that, but that doesn't mean you have to completely ignore them.

 

Basically it is something that they changed when there was no reason to, and it doesn't make sense to.

 

 

Ummm, from the way I saw it, the Human-form tardis was the Power Supply for the newly built 'TARDIS', notice how she 'glowed' before it really started to work?

Well she let out a bit of power though it still doesn't seem like it would quite work. I mean her body was already dying so she is getting weak, and if you say she had enough power to power the built TARDIS and still be fine until they got finally to where she could go back into the standard TARDIS, it becomes a stretch, and also, she would have been weaker meaning the TARDIS standard wouldn't be as powerful, which no one made any mention of.

Mostly it was just the building concept that I didn't like. It goes against what was said before, and continuity is important.

Did I miss something? Where does it say that the TARDIS was grown?

 

The clone things has already been done.

did anyone else find these creatures a bit odo-ish?

The 10th Doctor (David Tennant) explains it, and Eccleston might have too.

I can look for the quote.

Continuity issues in Doctor Who? Well I never!

lol yeah, there are loads of continuity issues. Just have to over look them. :p Like in previous episodes they mention you should never interact with your past self. Well, what about this past Christmas episode?

did anyone else find these creatures a bit odo-ish?

 

Yeppers

lol yeah, there are loads of continuity issues. Just have to over look them. :p Like in previous episodes they mention you should never interact with your past self. Well, what about this past Christmas episode?

I agree with that. There was an old episode with the 5th Doctor that delt with this. It would cause some type of temporal explosion.

And I believe even those rules can be bent in the case of the tardis inside the tardis episode. As, they werne't really in their own universe... but trapped inside themselves... So the normal rules don't really apply.

The 10th Doctor (David Tennant) explains it, and Eccleston might have too.

I can look for the quote.

If you would please. That would be awesome.

Rose: No signal. That's the first time I've gone out of range. Mind you, even if I could... what would I tell her? Can you build another TARDIS?

The Doctor: They were grown, not built. And with my home planet gone we're kind of stuck.

Rose: Well, could be worse. This lot said they'd give us a lift.

The Doctor: And then what?

Rose: I don't know. Find a planet. Get a job. You live a life same as the rest of the Universe.

The Doctor: I'd have to settle down. Get a house or something, a proper house. With... doors and carpets. Me, living in a house. That, that, is terrifying.

Rose: You'd have to get a mortgage.

 

That is from the episode, The Impossible Planet.

Latest episode: WTF?! Did not see that coming.

Rose: No signal. That's the first time I've gone out of range. Mind you, even if I could... what would I tell her? Can you build another TARDIS?

The Doctor: They were grown, not built. And with my home planet gone we're kind of stuck.

Rose: Well, could be worse. This lot said they'd give us a lift.

The Doctor: And then what?

Rose: I don't know. Find a planet. Get a job. You live a life same as the rest of the Universe.

The Doctor: I'd have to settle down. Get a house or something, a proper house. With... doors and carpets. Me, living in a house. That, that, is terrifying.

Rose: You'd have to get a mortgage.

 

That is from the episode, The Impossible Planet.

An episode where the Doctor is not stranded on a planet with a TARDIS graveyard. That's quite an important difference. There's really no conflict here.