i accidnetally did that. i started before noon, and its tellimg me at least 3 more hours, and i'm mostly asleep. i'm curling up in the tavern and passing out till morning, when it will hopefully be done. so i can start downloading the patches...

 

my back hurts a lot. i need a better chair to sit staring blankly at a screen in.

 

nigh nigh, thanks for the advice.

"Honour your father and mother." Pretty much it for me. I do what they say regardless of whether or not I agree. And besides, if I care enough to get emotional over not being able to something/having to do something, then that implies a problem with me. [/late]

"Honour your father and mother." Pretty much it for me. I do what they say regardless of whether or not I agree. And besides, if I care enough to get emotional over not being able to something/having to do something, then that implies a problem with me. [/late]

 

I agree that Honoring your parents is a good thing. Agreeing with and obeying them is not the same as honoring them however. They can and do often overlap, but make no mistake, just because you are obeying them, does not mean you are honoring them.

"Honour your father and mother." Pretty much it for me. I do what they say regardless of whether or not I agree. And besides, if I care enough to get emotional over not being able to something/having to do something, then that implies a problem with me. [/late]

 

I agree that Honoring your parents is a good thing. Agreeing with and obeying them is not the same as honoring them however. They can and do often overlap, but make no mistake, just because you are obeying them, does not mean you are honoring them.

 

I don't know if you saw it, but he made a reference to the bible, and here is agreeing with and obeying them meant.

Locke is an honorable person, and is doing what i should have done but didn't.

 

as always, don't do what cindy don't does. i has regrets.

"Honour your father and mother." Pretty much it for me. I do what they say regardless of whether or not I agree. And besides, if I care enough to get emotional over not being able to something/having to do something, then that implies a problem with me. [/late]

 

I agree that Honoring your parents is a good thing. Agreeing with and obeying them is not the same as honoring them however. They can and do often overlap, but make no mistake, just because you are obeying them, does not mean you are honoring them.

 

Agreed.

 

I used to be sneaky bad like your unsuggestions Cindy. Then God showed me the error of my ways. And thankfully, past mistakes are simply mistakes in the past.

"don't have the inclination to look back on any mistake, like cain i now behold this chain of events that i must break"

 

do you like the bob, Locke?

hi don't know if you saw it, but he made a reference to the bible, and here is agreeing with and obeying them meant.

 

Oh I saw it, but I disagree. Notice that the wedding vows for most western religions tell husband and wife to honor AND obey each other. It's interpretation, honoring someone and obeying them are NOT the same thing, even in the Bible.

children's obedience to their parents is not really a biblical grey area. and disobeying them is dishonoring them as parents.

 

i won't comment about wedding vows, cause they don't come from the bible i know.

 

if you're not religious, it's not the same kind of issue it is for someone who is religious.

That's 5000 years of guilt and tradition pulling its strings on your conscience.

not my conscience. as i've said, i'm mostly non-observant. but there was 10 years of yeshivah education, and the commandments we studied more than you would believe, and there's really no wiggle room there for someone who is observant in any way.

 

um, and i think it's over 6,000 years at this point.

 

but i don't personally feel guilty for being a disobedient child, all in all. mom did her best, but she was only 16 years older than me, and quite ticked off about the whole thing. and i didn't actually know i was jewish until 2 weeks before i got sent to yeshivah, when my up until that momet BFF told me she couldn't play with me anymore because i killed jesus. which was news to me. and then i had to fake being orthodox, which was ... very difficult. but, you know, only for 10 years.

 

so, anyway, completely anti- and irreligious home vs completely orthodox over the top all girls yeshivah met and made a thunderstorm in my soul and i ... did the best i could with it.

 

i don't think that's the situation with these well raised young men. they seem happy and well adjusted, in print, pretty much.

Ouch, that's one heck of a transition, and that's horrible about your then BFF. I'm glad being raised Catholic I wasn't really pressed that hard. We got in more trouble for disobeying the nuns than we did for disobeying our own parents, lol.

i was always jealous of my catholic friends, but they didn't get it. they were well abused at school, but it wasn't the same. so many rules to remember, drove me bat looney.

 

thank you for not making fun of me for whining about it. it's a weird story, and hard to explain. i was very happy to graduate.

I would never make fun of someone for a story about hardship. I might not be able to empathize, but I can certainly sympathize. Everybody has to go through some kind of trial and tribulation or rite of passage kind of thing, but that's one of the tougher ones I've ever heard.

 

I hate rules, especially when the authorities don't feel the necessity of explaining the reasoning for their existence, relevance and observation. Even worse is when they do explain it, and the reasoning is irrational or irrelevant to the current practices. I'm of the Jimi Hendrix philosophy on life, "I'm the one that's got to die when it's time for me to die, so let me live my life, the way I want to"

i react very badly to rules as well. i really need to know the reasoning before i can deal with them at all. which would make me a bad soldier, but i don't really want to be a soldier, so it's ok. that's one of the reasons i like the BT - very few meaningless rules, even for soldiers.