Im more thinking of it lik a very wide belt, Im not saying the Kin dress exactly like that, it just made me think of them.

 

As we've stated before, RJ is very detailed when it comes to some things of the clothes, but some things are generelly never mentioned or explained properly. So I think we can safely assume that some women may wear waist cinchers or corsets, or vest, or overskirts, or dresses with double sleeves, or sleeves that are only lace, or dresses with lacings on the sides. It is not possible to dscrbe every little detail in every single persons clothing, so I think RJ choose out some things that are pointed out repeatedly (cut accodring to nation, slashed colors, silk, velvet or wool, lace or not, amount of bosom exposed...). The rest is up to us to imagine to create every persons individuality.

I almost always imagine the Aes Sedai with some type of over dress corset-y thing. I think that's the Ren Faire idea coming out in my head. Where the women wear fancy dresses, and the men where tall boots with capes and awesome hats. It just reads like that to me.

Im more thinking of it lik a very wide belt, Im not saying the Kin dress exactly like that, it just made me think of them.As we've stated before, RJ is very detailed when it comes to some things of the clothes, but some things are generelly never mentioned or explained properly. So I think we can safely assume that some women may wear waist cinchers or corsets, or vest, or overskirts, or dresses with double sleeves, or sleeves that are only lace, or dresses with lacings on the sides. It is not possible to dscrbe every little detail in every single persons clothing, so I think RJ choose out some things that are pointed out repeatedly (cut accodring to nation, slashed colors, silk, velvet or wool, lace or not, amount of bosom exposed...). The rest is up to us to imagine to create every persons individuality.

Corsets only became part of fashion at the very very very end of the middle ages (WOT fashion is Middle Aged except for the armor) so I don't think the had that per say. They did however use bound cloth for "support" and sometimes limited waist reduction.

I think, however, the corset "shape" was widely used. Seams on dresses were tapered down at teh front to make the waist appear smaller and smooth material gave way to loose at the top (making the waist tighter)

Over skirts and petty coats are widely used in RL

Same with double sleeves and lace (or transparent fabric sleeves)

Lacings on clothing were used widely

 

The thing about sleeves is visually long sleeves are what most people this about in medieval style (so that's how RL people would be dressed in a film). The only note we have on sleeves in during healings and the like a character pushes their sleeves back to get involved.

if they're pushing sleeves back, they aren't wearing bell sleeves, though, lol (those wide medieval sleeves). I imagain, as the armor is not strictly medieval, the clothes wouldn't be either, in all honesty. Also, I'd be rather surprised if RJ knew enough about period clothing styles to be able to definitively choose a time period. For instance, the wide sleeves were not the sam time period as the dresses with the kirtles over them, like the green and green check picture, which were not the same time period as the dresses with the cinchers (or wide belts!), and neither are the same as the Red! But I love all of the styles, and I think a mish mash of historical style is often what makes fantasy so interesting visually.

Sorry to clarify the wide sleeves are of a different style to the ones that are mentioned as being pushed back. The wide sleeves are mainly mentioned about Faile. The sleeve mentions are normally Nynaeve or other Yellow Ajah mentions (but sometimes kin) so they are Eboi Dari dresses id say (also Nyn's Two rivers dresses have this mention)

Well we do know that the clothing is all era-mashed. Carihien is more inspired by the Marie Antoinette-era (Late 1700s), Andor is Tudor-era (1500s), Tear is very Spanish-influensed (tho at what time I cannot say). And some types of clothing has never excisted in our history at all (Domani-style clothing). So I do think some would were corsets (I wonder if actually did see a reference to a Carhien nobelwoman with a corset). But the example of the green dress up there, I don't think that is corset. I think it is a very wide belt, purely for decoration and estetics. It was not mentioned on the website I found it that it was boned in any way.

no, it's called a cincher. No boning, just a reinforced, almost quilted thing going there. More intended to look stiff than to inhibit movement.

 

 

Red sister in winter:

 

 

 

I absolutely love this one! I would absolutely wear that, given half a chance.

I think you would look stunning in that, Mother :)

 

 

 

Since it's on the subject, I'l copypaste my thoughts on shawls in another thread in here:

 

 

 

I have noted that as general, what is pointed out about all shawls is:

 

-The color of the (silk) fringe

-The Tar Valon Flame

 

In some shawls, these details are mentioned:

 

-The length of the fringe

-Embroidery of vines and such (roses and thorns for Elaida, grapevines I think for Moiraine)

 

It also has been mentioned:

-(The Aes Sedai) were all in their formal shawls, embroidered with wines and the Tar Valon Flame on the back

 

My personal theories on the shawl:

 

At the raising ceremony, the new sister gets a "standard" Tower-issued shawl, that is likely unembroidered and with the background also in the Ajah color. This suits with newly raised sisters wearing their shawl everywhere and "flaunting" their new Ajah. The only requirement for a shawl seems to be the fringe and the flame. It might also seem that "formal" shawls, at least for sitters, must, either by law or tradition, be embroidered with some sorts of wines, flowers and leafs.

 

Other than that, I think the sisters can pick and choose. I am guessing some would stick with the simple "new sister"-style forever, and some would have several; with different embroidery and different background colors.

 

Also, when it comes to fabric, again it's only the fringe that has been specifially mentione (the red silk fringe, i.e.) so I also deduct that the main fabric is free for choice. Sisters may have several in different fabrics; a fine wool for winter, a lovely silk, plain or brocaded, for meetings with royalty and other occasions like that, and maybe a linen for summer.

 

The length of the fringe also seems to be free choice. I seem to remember some sisters shawls being described with a VERY long fringe, while others only have a long fringe, or just the fringe. That also makes sense to me; sisters less fuzzy with their clothes will want a simple fringe that's not in their way, but the more flamboyant ones (Im looking at you, Myrelle) might want as much as 40-50cm of fringe on their most formal shawls.

 

Also, a note on shape: I cannot remember it ever being stated fully that all shawls are triangular. I seem to remember mentions of a Keeper, with a stole so wide it was almost a shawl. That does seem to imply that some sister also have square shawls.

those are some very good deductions on them... here're my thoughts on the shawl (and I've made a few at this point, so... lol, bear with me.)

 

I find it VERY plausible that sisters have more than one shawl, and see no reason why not.

as to the fringe: the ones I make are about 45 cm fringe usually, so it is VERY long. I can see some sisters not wanting that.

 

I still think that most shawls are predominantly the Ajah color. Perhaps a white background heavily embroidered in the Ajah color, but I just can't manage to see a Red, for example, wearing a shawl with a brown background. It just doesn't make sense to me. lol.

 

There is copious mention of the shawl being looped through the elbows, which suggests strongly to me that they are triangles. That reference to the Keeper, to me, means that the Stole was very broad across her back.

i know its a dude but this is a way better representation of the sea folk chains

That looks so painful. Holy hell.

Here are some good examples of traditional ear to nose rings:

 

 

 

*winces and touches nose*

 

I have had my nose pierced, but I could never, ever wear that. It's beautiful, but not for me personally!

I found even more nose ring pictures:

 

 

 

As far as I can find it, it is an Indian custom called nath.

I found this in CoT yesterday:

 

Yukiri herself was wearing her best [shawl] embroidered in silver and thread-of-gold, with the long silk fringe that hung to her ancles

 

This confirms that at least some sister have different shawls, with different embroidery and fringe-lengths. I instantly imagined Yukiris shawl as a silvery velvet, it just fits with how I see her character.

 

This is just my personal speculation: I would wager whites are the ones who most use different fabrics in their shawls. All the other Ajahs have a multiple of colors within a specter to choose from; a brown's shawl can be everything from bronze to a dark earthy brown or a terracotta-color, blues have evything from a cold ice blue to skyblue to dark purpleish blue, Grey's a light silvery color to dark iron grey. So I imagine white's using the fabrics available to give their narrow choice of colors more range.

I just noticed something. Lot's of people hide knives up their sleeves. So lot's of sleeves have to be fairly loose and long

I think for both Min, Thom and Mat (that we see most with knives) they're hidden in jacket sleeve. Also, I think they knives in question are faily small (?)

they are about the size of a hand

I know Berelain has them too, and Faile

Hm, that's right. But they're probably quite flat and narrov, so that they fit in a special pocket/sheath or something without showing much.

the point isnt the knife. but the hand that has to go and get the knife

for quick access the sleeves have to be loose enough to fit half a hand again in

the knives can't be right on the edge of the sleeve or else someone would see them and RJ makes several points and people not seeing where the knifes comes from. They just appear from up the persons sleeve

Dap's right. Even though those are mostly throwing knives, they still have to be able to come out the sleeve so it has to be looshish.

Call me sherlock

That's why Im thinking a little pocket or something, specially made so that with the right twist of the wrist they slide out into the palm. So that you don't need to put your hands inside the sleeve. I seem to remember the words "s/he slid a knife into her palm, ready to throw". To me, that implies that no hands are being used in getting the knife out. I'll keep an eye out for quotes concerning this while Im reading know.

You're right, Misheru, but the sleeve still needs to be loose enough that the knife can slide out.