And I really LOVE this whole number right here

 

EP post #1: Oh it's so nice to be able to talk about being vote controlled now! Teh freedom!

 

EP post #2: Oh the only thing is I can't discuss the details of said vote controlling. I'm sure yall understand.

 

L.A.W.L.S.

did you not find my question to jack interesting?

 

let me know when you reach the end of your tunnel despo, I might turn the light on for you, or you can just stumble around in the dark I find it intertaining.

So EP, just to make it clear what you're saying: The person who could control your vote was able to change your vote to someone else WITHOUT you ever posting?

 

I call BS.

 

@Andrew: What's with the superheavy buddying up to EP? First you defend him, but then say that you're SORRY if your defense is wrong and he made a silly scumslip?! You're really going to apologize for something like that?

 

And I think it makes sense. Why would EP need to be on for someone ELSE to use their action?

And I really LOVE this whole number right here

 

EP post #1: Oh it's so nice to be able to talk about being vote controlled now! Teh freedom!

 

EP post #2: Oh the only thing is I can't discuss the details of said vote controlling. I'm sure yall understand.

 

L.A.W.L.S.

 

I said I couldn't quote it pay attention or quit one of the 2 if your town you are doing nothing but hurting the town, but I think you are not town so moot point.

I will say nothing more until day, just know if I die Despo is scum.

So EP, just to make it clear what you're saying: The person who could control your vote was able to change your vote to someone else WITHOUT you ever posting?

 

I call BS.

 

@Andrew: What's with the superheavy buddying up to EP? First you defend him, but then say that you're SORRY if your defense is wrong and he made a silly scumslip?! You're really going to apologize for something like that?

 

And I think it makes sense. Why would EP need to be on for someone ELSE to use their action?

 

Because of the nature of the role. If EP wasn't necessary in the first place, why would he have had to go through all that effort to try and make it clear that his vote was being controlled, when instead he could have just voted Basel and the vote stealer could have then swapped his vote to Jack. But that's not how it went down. From what EP was implying through his hints, he was being vote controlled in the traditional manner: The VC tells the mod who they want Player X to vote for, the mod sends notification to Player X telling them they HAVE to vote for so and so, and Player X complies. I've seen a game where a VC tried controlling someone's vote, only the person never saw the pm in time before the deadline had passed.

 

I'm not saying there's no possibility that EP could be telling the truth, but if he is then I would have to say that would have been a bastard mod decision. Just because someone's timeline doesn't sync up with everyone else's isn't a reason for the mod to give the mafia team an unfair advantage. It would be like letting a mafia team submit a vote for one of their inactive teammates or something. Very shady business indeed. I'd rather assume that this game isn't being unfairly modded, and that means that EP's alignment is now extremely questionable.

did you not find my question to jack interesting?

 

let me know when you reach the end of your tunnel despo, I might turn the light on for you, or you can just stumble around in the dark I find it intertaining.

 

What question are you referring to?

 

Oh and btw, it's really quite hilarious that you seem to fall into the same crutch no matter what: when being questioned, you feel it necessary to try your hardest to ridicule the questioner multiple times, because those scathing remarks are SURE to help convince everyone I'm scum

 

Do we really think EP went through all the trouble of faking a vote control just to slip up in such an OBVIOUS way by switching his vote there at the end? Really? I think he's better than that. (And sorry, if you really did slip up and that's insulting...)

 

I'm finding it more suspicious that some of us appear unwilling to let it go for more than a few minutes.

 

I dunno. What if I'm wrong and he /isn't/ better than that, which my post implied? It does seem kind of insulting. XD I wasn't completely serious about it anyway.

 

So what if he ends up being insulted? Once again, this is mafia. If he can't handle being insulted, he shouldn't be playing, simple. The point of this game is to catch scum if town, and kill town if scum. Politeness and decency aren't required to achieve either of those goals.

 

And incidentally, it's a flawed argument to assume "Oh, he's too smart to do something dumb like that." First of all, even the most seasoned of mafia players can slip up, and second that could be part of that player's strategy (nobody will ever believe I'd do something THAT obvious! sneer sneer *twirles mustache*).

Hmm. I believed we were talking about two different actions being taken against EP by two different people. The first vote controller and the second, which was something else that 'stole' his vote instead of forcing him to vote for someone, but... reading back again, I see where EP implies that it was the same person? Or the same effect at least.

 

And in that case, it doesn't make sense that he would have to post- HEY DON'T POST SO FAST DES! Lemme get an answer in!- for the first vote control, but the Mod would do it herself for the second one. Okay, I'm starting to rethink my position.

just got a bit of clarification on the situation that I can share.

 

So EP, just to make it clear what you're saying: The person who could control your vote was able to change your vote to someone else WITHOUT you ever posting?

 

I call BS.

 

@Andrew: What's with the superheavy buddying up to EP? First you defend him, but then say that you're SORRY if your defense is wrong and he made a silly scumslip?! You're really going to apologize for something like that?

 

And I think it makes sense. Why would EP need to be on for someone ELSE to use their action?

 

Because of the nature of the role. If EP wasn't necessary in the first place, why would he have had to go through all that effort to try and make it clear that his vote was being controlled, when instead he could have just voted Basel and the vote stealer could have then swapped his vote to Jack. But that's not how it went down. From what EP was implying through his hints, he was being vote controlled in the traditional manner: The VC tells the mod who they want Player X to vote for, the mod sends notification to Player X telling them they HAVE to vote for so and so, and Player X complies. I've seen a game where a VC tried controlling someone's vote, only the person never saw the pm in time before the deadline had passed.

 

I'm not saying there's no possibility that EP could be telling the truth, but if he is then I would have to say that would have been a bastard mod decision. Just because someone's timeline doesn't sync up with everyone else's isn't a reason for the mod to give the mafia team an unfair advantage. It would be like letting a mafia team submit a vote for one of their inactive teammates or something. Very shady business indeed. I'd rather assume that this game isn't being unfairly modded, and that means that EP's alignment is now extremely questionable.

 

Ok the issue here is not about the placement of the vote but the timings of them, if it were not a hammer vote the player controlled is expeted to put the vote on player X themselves but in the situation of a hammer vote the vote is placed for them, it's actually not a bastard mod decision at all, the truth is did you immediately caontinue to believe me? no, so it is not an unfair situation, yes it puts me in a place where I have to defend an akward situation so it is actually more fair as I wasn't able to pull a riddle out for why I moved like I did to the vote on Jack so we will probably see this play again later by the controller

 

 

did you not find my question to jack interesting?

 

let me know when you reach the end of your tunnel despo, I might turn the light on for you, or you can just stumble around in the dark I find it intertaining.

 

What question are you referring to?

 

Oh and btw, it's really quite hilarious that you seem to fall into the same crutch no matter what: when being questioned, you feel it necessary to try your hardest to ridicule the questioner multiple times, because those scathing remarks are SURE to help convince everyone I'm scum

 

Do we really think EP went through all the trouble of faking a vote control just to slip up in such an OBVIOUS way by switching his vote there at the end? Really? I think he's better than that. (And sorry, if you really did slip up and that's insulting...)

 

I'm finding it more suspicious that some of us appear unwilling to let it go for more than a few minutes.

 

I dunno. What if I'm wrong and he /isn't/ better than that, which my post implied? It does seem kind of insulting. XD I wasn't completely serious about it anyway.

 

So what if he ends up being insulted? Once again, this is mafia. If he can't handle being insulted, he shouldn't be playing, simple. The point of this game is to catch scum if town, and kill town if scum. Politeness and decency aren't required to achieve either of those goals.

 

And incidentally, it's a flawed argument to assume "Oh, he's too smart to do something dumb like that." First of all, even the most seasoned of mafia players can slip up, and second that could be part of that player's strategy (nobody will ever believe I'd do something THAT obvious! sneer sneer *twirles mustache*).

 

The question I asked Jack after he revealed Jon Snow, part time role finder, I said a very specific hyphenated one word question...

 

Hmm. I believed we were talking about two different actions being taken against EP by two different people. The first vote controller and the second, which was something else that 'stole' his vote instead of forcing him to vote for someone, but... reading back again, I see where EP implies that it was the same person? Or the same effect at least.

 

And in that case, it doesn't make sense that he would have to post- HEY DON'T POST SO FAST DES! Lemme get an answer in!- for the first vote control, but the Mod would do it herself for the second one. Okay, I'm starting to rethink my position.

 

it was one action, I'm more inclined that this is a combination of the controller/stealer role, instead of the normal every day controller role.

Oh well, it is night, I can speak normally again. It was quite fun speaking like that, but I must return to the Queen's English.... for now.

 

Did anyone get my meanings? Pretty much if I smiled I agreed if I frowned I didn't. It wasn't like I was actually angry at anyone, we do not have a frowning emote that isn't completely raging.

 

And there's now way I'm believing that the mod let a vote controller switch your vote to EP without you logging on to do so. And I also won't come close to buying that you were targeted by both a vote controller AND a vote stealer today. Flail harder please, it's quite amusing

 

Really? Once I was a votestealer and I moved my targets' votes at will, without them having to do anything. Maybe the mod told EP to vote Arez but did it himself when EP didn't respond.

As for the iron throne.... maybe it is Mr mod himself that votes a lynch at -1 if deadline hits? To confuse us.

 

Do we really think EP went through all the trouble of faking a vote control just to slip up in such an OBVIOUS way by switching his vote there at the end? Really? I think he's better than that. (And sorry, if you really did slip up and that's insulting...)

 

I'm finding it more suspicious that some of us appear unwilling to let it go for more than a few minutes.

 

My thoughts exactly

no the Iron Throne has to be a player, we didn't hit the deadline, I think there was an hour left. Iron Throne thing would be more what was being described when someone tried to say that I was voting in secret, from my experience secret votes do not come with a name of the player, I would suspect the Iron Throne of being Varys, everything he did was "for the good of the realm" so he claimed.

Good morning all, the front page has been updated! This is quite fun so far. We are still waiting on a couple of night actions so if you do not wish to use yours please message us in your role pm's saying so. Thank you!

Oh well, it is night, I can speak normally again. It was quite fun speaking like that, but I must return to the Queen's English.... for now.

 

Did anyone get my meanings? Pretty much if I smiled I agreed if I frowned I didn't. It wasn't like I was actually angry at anyone, we do not have a frowning emote that isn't completely raging.

 

And there's now way I'm believing that the mod let a vote controller switch your vote to EP without you logging on to do so. And I also won't come close to buying that you were targeted by both a vote controller AND a vote stealer today. Flail harder please, it's quite amusing

 

Really? Once I was a votestealer and I moved my targets' votes at will, without them having to do anything. Maybe the mod told EP to vote Arez but did it himself when EP didn't respond.

As for the iron throne.... maybe it is Mr mod himself that votes a lynch at -1 if deadline hits? To confuse us.

 

Do we really think EP went through all the trouble of faking a vote control just to slip up in such an OBVIOUS way by switching his vote there at the end? Really? I think he's better than that. (And sorry, if you really did slip up and that's insulting...)

 

I'm finding it more suspicious that some of us appear unwilling to let it go for more than a few minutes.

 

My thoughts exactly

 

care to share why you can now speak properly?

I'd assume it might have been a draw back to use the double vote, but that's is just based on some other games I've played.

Good morning all, the front page has been updated! This is quite fun so far. We are still waiting on a couple of night actions so if you do not wish to use yours please message us in your role pm's saying so. Thank you!

 

lucky you, wiht your super-active game and interesting theme.....

 

 

Oh well, it is night, I can speak normally again. It was quite fun speaking like that, but I must return to the Queen's English.... for now.

 

Did anyone get my meanings? Pretty much if I smiled I agreed if I frowned I didn't. It wasn't like I was actually angry at anyone, we do not have a frowning emote that isn't completely raging.

 

And there's now way I'm believing that the mod let a vote controller switch your vote to EP without you logging on to do so. And I also won't come close to buying that you were targeted by both a vote controller AND a vote stealer today. Flail harder please, it's quite amusing

 

Really? Once I was a votestealer and I moved my targets' votes at will, without them having to do anything. Maybe the mod told EP to vote Arez but did it himself when EP didn't respond.

As for the iron throne.... maybe it is Mr mod himself that votes a lynch at -1 if deadline hits? To confuse us.

 

Do we really think EP went through all the trouble of faking a vote control just to slip up in such an OBVIOUS way by switching his vote there at the end? Really? I think he's better than that. (And sorry, if you really did slip up and that's insulting...)

 

I'm finding it more suspicious that some of us appear unwilling to let it go for more than a few minutes.

 

My thoughts exactly

 

care to share why you can now speak properly?

 

Post Restriction reasons. I do not know exactly how much detail i can go into about my PR, so be patient and people will be able to easily guess the specifications. :)

Think I already did, Hodor if I'm right.

I'd assume it might have been a draw back to use the double vote, but that's is just based on some other games I've played.

 

hodor ;)

 

 

i can disclose fully, without quoting- basically i can talk normally during Night but must use hodor during the day, as a trade-off for my double-vote power

just got a bit of clarification on the situation that I can share.

 

Because of the nature of the role. If EP wasn't necessary in the first place, why would he have had to go through all that effort to try and make it clear that his vote was being controlled, when instead he could have just voted Basel and the vote stealer could have then swapped his vote to Jack. But that's not how it went down. From what EP was implying through his hints, he was being vote controlled in the traditional manner: The VC tells the mod who they want Player X to vote for, the mod sends notification to Player X telling them they HAVE to vote for so and so, and Player X complies. I've seen a game where a VC tried controlling someone's vote, only the person never saw the pm in time before the deadline had passed.

 

I'm not saying there's no possibility that EP could be telling the truth, but if he is then I would have to say that would have been a bastard mod decision. Just because someone's timeline doesn't sync up with everyone else's isn't a reason for the mod to give the mafia team an unfair advantage. It would be like letting a mafia team submit a vote for one of their inactive teammates or something. Very shady business indeed. I'd rather assume that this game isn't being unfairly modded, and that means that EP's alignment is now extremely questionable.

 

Ok the issue here is not about the placement of the vote but the timings of them, if it were not a hammer vote the player controlled is expeted to put the vote on player X themselves but in the situation of a hammer vote the vote is placed for them, it's actually not a bastard mod decision at all, the truth is did you immediately caontinue to believe me? no, so it is not an unfair situation, yes it puts me in a place where I have to defend an akward situation so it is actually more fair as I wasn't able to pull a riddle out for why I moved like I did to the vote on Jack so we will probably see this play again later by the controller

 

First of all, what happened that made you suddenly unable to put coherent sentences together? Very difficult to even grasp what you're saying at times here, but I'll give it my best shot:

 

So now there's suddenly this weird exception to the role when it comes to hammer votes? Dude, how much more far fetched could you get with your "simple" explanation?

 

And it would be a bastard mod decision if you're telling the truth because it helped hammer a townie, not because it somehow made you look clean. I'm baffled as to why you even thought that's what I was taking exception to. It would be unfair because it would be letting a vote controller all of a sudden act as a vote stealer (I'll get to you in a sec Hoof), just because you weren't online yet? The word flimsy is once again coming to mind...

 

That last sentence looks like it's trying to put itself out of it's misery, but still has it's own "Wtf are you babbling about?" moment, when you spout conjecture as to how we'll prob see this again. I'm sure we will prob see this again EP, when you or one of your teammates puts in a secret vote again tomorrow, prob after claiming that they're being VC'd earlier in the day. Wow, and when it happens again, it will TOTALLY show how your situation wasn't even that strange at ALL!

 

did you not find my question to jack interesting?

 

let me know when you reach the end of your tunnel despo, I might turn the light on for you, or you can just stumble around in the dark I find it intertaining.

 

What question are you referring to?

 

The question I asked Jack after he revealed Jon Snow, part time role finder, I said a very specific hyphenated one word question...

 

My God, that whole time you were referring to this:

 

I'm Jon snow. Role cop every other night

 

bi-nightly?

 

 

Wow, what a thrilling post. I'm so glad you had me dig through the thread to find this little gem. Man EP, you sure are a regular Sherlock.

 

Hmm. I believed we were talking about two different actions being taken against EP by two different people. The first vote controller and the second, which was something else that 'stole' his vote instead of forcing him to vote for someone, but... reading back again, I see where EP implies that it was the same person? Or the same effect at least.

 

And in that case, it doesn't make sense that he would have to post- HEY DON'T POST SO FAST DES! Lemme get an answer in!- for the first vote control, but the Mod would do it herself for the second one. Okay, I'm starting to rethink my position.

 

it was one action, I'm more inclined that this is a combination of the controller/stealer role, instead of the normal every day controller role.

 

Lawls. Now apparently it's some kind of vote controller/stealer hybrid role, since that's obviously a much simpler explanation than you being scum

 

And there's now way I'm believing that the mod let a vote controller switch your vote to EP without you logging on to do so. And I also won't come close to buying that you were targeted by both a vote controller AND a vote stealer today. Flail harder please, it's quite amusing

 

Really? Once I was a votestealer and I moved my targets' votes at will, without them having to do anything. Maybe the mod told EP to vote Arez but did it himself when EP didn't respond.

As for the iron throne.... maybe it is Mr mod himself that votes a lynch at -1 if deadline hits? To confuse us.

 

I already kind of addressed this, but to reiterate: I know a vote stealer can do what you're talking about. But how likely is it that EP would first be targeted by a vote controller, than be targeted by a vote stealer in the same day, or that there's apparently a vote controller/stealer hybrid out there? Neither option really sounds that likely to me.

 

You know what DOES sound likely to me?

 

EP is prob Joffrey, and has some kind of secret double vote ability (using the Iron Throne since Joffrey is king). To try and disguise it tho, he first made it seem like he was being vote controlled, so that later on he could do the whole secret vote thing and use the wifom in the situation to try and clear himself.

Okay, as I haven't played Mafia in a while, does EP's 'assumption' make sense as this is a common thing? Or is just a little weird that EP stumbles upon the exact right reason for Blackhoof's weird PR?

Okay, as I haven't played Mafia in a while, does EP's 'assumption' make sense as this is a common thing? Or is just a little weird that EP stumbles upon the exact right reason for Blackhoof's weird PR?

 

 

it isnt much of a stretch.

 

a double-voter with a restricting PR?

 

simple to assume it is to balance him

 

I already kind of addressed this, but to reiterate: I know a vote stealer can do what you're talking about. But how likely is it that EP would first be targeted by a vote controller, than be targeted by a vote stealer in the same day, or that there's apparently a vote controller/stealer hybrid out there? Neither option really sounds that likely to me.

 

You know what DOES sound likely to me?

 

EP is prob Joffrey, and has some kind of secret double vote ability (using the Iron Throne since Joffrey is king). To try and disguise it tho, he first made it seem like he was being vote controlled, so that later on he could do the whole secret vote thing and use the wifom in the situation to try and clear himself.

 

maybe, like is implied, it is a votestealer who USUALLY required EP to move the vote manually, but he mod made an exception this time since EP wasnt responding. That seems simple. i wrote it in one sentence, cannot be simpler. :D

That's possible Hoof, but EP has continuously said that the reason it happened is that he was asleep and wouldn't be back online before the deadline. If it was more a matter of EP not reading his inbox and thus not following the mod's orders, it would be one thing, but EP maintains that this is not the case, but that because it was a hammer vote (which it wasn't btw, Arez was at L-2, another huge slip right there, as only a double voter would consider L-2 to be a position to hammer), and he was asleep, the mod allowed the vote to be moved without EP posting.

 

If that really was the case, it would be a bastard mod decision. It would be comparable to a mafia team needing one member to get online to make an important vote before a deadline, but because that member is asleep the mod then allows the team to have the vote placed anyways. I know there have been plenty of times that I've been on a mafia team, and been very disappointed when a mod didn't notice a day action soon enough and a hammer was dropped before a vote could be manipulated somehow, even tho it was submitted far in advance. This would essentially boil down to the same concept.

no I was told ALL hammer votes would be treated thusly, and that it matters not whether it is on a townie or a mafia, Despo WHY do you think I specfically said bi-nightly don't you think that is a peculiar word to use? Despo your tunnel vision is rediculous I really can't wait til morning

You have a point.

oh Despo does, i mean

That's possible Hoof, but EP has continuously said that the reason it happened is that he was asleep and wouldn't be back online before the deadline. If it was more a matter of EP not reading his inbox and thus not following the mod's orders, it would be one thing, but EP maintains that this is not the case, but that because it was a hammer vote (which it wasn't btw, Arez was at L-2, another huge slip right there, as only a double voter would consider L-2 to be a position to hammer), and he was asleep, the mod allowed the vote to be moved without EP posting.

 

If that really was the case, it would be a bastard mod decision. It would be comparable to a mafia team needing one member to get online to make an important vote before a deadline, but because that member is asleep the mod then allows the team to have the vote placed anyways. I know there have been plenty of times that I've been on a mafia team, and been very disappointed when a mod didn't notice a day action soon enough and a hammer was dropped before a vote could be manipulated somehow, even tho it was submitted far in advance. This would essentially boil down to the same concept.

 

you assume that the Iron throne thing was not already placed, I can only go off what I'm told, as I said all hammer votes would be treated as such, as I was the last actual name on it, it's logical to say my controlled vote is the hammer