All Aes Sedia and Asha'man, have access to walls of Air that can prevent any melee attack from touching them.

They can restrain someone with a simple weave, preventing them from doing anything.

How can a Jedi jump out of the way of the way of a weave of air constraining them, when they can't even see it?

 

Lightning.

they could litterally send a bolt of lightning from the sky, electruting a Jedi before they knew what happened. no sparkly sith fingers. Straight up, lightning from the sky, hitting them in the head.

And we know how much jedi love being struck by lightning!

 

Water.

An Aes Sedia could drown you where you stand.

 

Fire An Aes Sedia could quite litterally, send a wave of fire in a 360 degree area around them. (and above) and toast a Jedi.

 

Spirit.

An Aes Sedia, might be able to cut a Jedi off from the 'Force'.

 

Earth

Quake.

 

Vader was one of the Strongest Force Users.

It the last of hte prequels his 'power' showing how strong he was?

Bending some steel gerders...

 

Whoopeidie dooo!

Male Channelers litterally reshaped the earth.

 

Let me spell that out again.

They didn't use technology, they used there power to quite litterally, re-arrange the continents. Turn mountains into Seas, and Seas into Mountains.

 

The Sith... Have a Death Star that can destroy a planet.

Aes Sedia/Asha'Man, can litterally, undo-existance.

 

Chodankai from space, Balefire A planet? Yea, It would cease to exist.

And hte best part is?

Theres no exhaust pipe that could blow it up.

haha last part is awesome!

LOTR Wizards vs. Jedi?

Jedi.

Depends if the wizard was allowed to go all-out or not, seeing as they're actually gods. The only thing that prevented Gandalf from just going and blowing Sauron into the next dimension is the fact that the high god people said that the mortal races had to do it themselves.

 

So, wizard wins if he isn't restricted. Otherwise I'd put my money on the jedi.

Trick question- Gandalf WAS a Jedi

 

Trick question- Gandalf WAS a Jedi

 

 

NOOO you found out my trick!

The AS could make their own lightsabers. By weaving air earth fire and maybe some water?

someone should really spec this to marvel.

Channelers are so OP, they beat anyone. They have a million ways to kill the jedi before the jedi can do anything.

Oh, I like this topic.

 

AS and Asha´mans would totally beat everyone except Yoda. He is probably unbalefireable. (Wow, my English is improving. )No way to win over Gandalf either.

Oh, I like this topic.

 

AS and Asha´mans would totally beat everyone except Yoda. He is probably unbalefireable. (Wow, my English is improving. )No way to win over Gandalf either.

 

^ this times 9001

I could bother to multi-quote all that I'll be answering, but I'm much too lazy.

 

In regard to Aes Sedia having the ability to heal:

A group of Jedi would probably have Jedi healers (please note, Jedi Knights are not the only Jedi, just the popular kind)

 

In regard to allomancy & a Mistborn:

Mistborn would win, no doubt. Can you say atium?

 

In regard to Jedi being killed by lightning:

If you remember, Yoda (and I'm guessing other Jedis can do it too) used the force to block force lightning. They could do the same to OP lightning.

 

In regard to Aes Sedai not having to follow rules:

Then Jedi would be able to use the Dark Side of the Force, then. To counter compulsion, they could literally drive Aes Sedia insane with the force.

 

In regard to baelfire:

I agree with the theory of lightsaber being able to 'split' baelfire like Callandor. Plus, again, few Aes Sedia even know the weave for baelfire.

You'll do just fine here, John. Jumping into the nerd-off without a second thought is definitely a good sign.

Why, thank you very much.

Seconded.

In regard to allomancy & a Mistborn:

Mistborn would win, no doubt. Can you say atium?

 

Different sets of powers, an Aes Sedia, would have very little metal on them. (only thing they really have on them, is there rings, and that isn't big enough to really push/pull on)

Shields of air would block most incoming things, and Allomancers would have no defence against basefire.. or well, balls of flame.

Slowing time down, might be of use, if they can pull it off.

 

 

In regard to Jedi being killed by lightning:

If you remember, Yoda (and I'm guessing other Jedis can do it too) used the force to block force lightning. They could do the same to OP lightning.

 

Force Lightning, was a Frontal Attack, and very visible.

Aes Sedia Lightning, comes from the sky (well, technically it goes up, not down. but yea...), like real lightning.

Point is, they'd never even know what the Aes Sedia is doing. All they'd know is that the perseon is just staring at them all mean like.

 

 

In regard to Aes Sedai not having to follow rules:

Then Jedi would be able to use the Dark Side of the Force, then. To counter compulsion, they could literally drive Aes Sedia insane with the force.

 

In A fight purely against Jedi vs Aes Sedia, (black ajah excluded) the Jedi would have to attack first. Or at least, appear to be hostile.

Could they kill an Aes Sedia in the first hit?

I doubt it.

The Aes Sedia would notice their first moves as hostile, and react. Some weaves of air, would restrain the Jedi in grips stronger than steel shackles. If the Jedi gave the Aes Sedia to actually kill. He'd go splat.

But note, The Aes SEdia wouldn't actually need any hostile action to use the one power, to restrain Jedi, only to kill one. (I believe Nyneave proved this when Suiane restrained her with air?)

 

Jedi would never see what the Aes Sedia's doing.

Just like the Aes Sedia couldn't see the Jedi manipuplating the force within them.

 

 

In regard to baelfire:

I agree with the theory of lightsaber being able to 'split' baelfire like Callandor. Plus, again, few Aes Sedia even know the weave for baelfire.

 

lightsabers are technology, not the force. They are basically a Plasma (superheated, electromegentically charged gas) in a magnetic containment field.

 

Balefire... Is not a laser. And depending on the size of the balefire. the lightsaber, even if it could intercept balefire, wouldn't cause it to shoot 45 degrees around the saber on both sides imoI twould simply not go through that one area. So it would still spray along it. (think like spray paint, and holdin g up a piece of paper in front if it. Spray, move paper, white behind the paper, colored around it.)

 

 

So, even if the Jedi went to move the lightsaber in its path, all he/she'd do, is get balefired.

 

This isn't even mentioning the curvey/stringy Balefire that rand used.

As, I'm assumingg the Aes Sedia/Ashaman, are going to become grossly overpowered, come the last book.

And its entirely possible, that with Aes Sedia/Asha'man unification/learning going on, some weaves might transcend gender.

 

how would a Jedi defend against a field of rolling gateways flying at them? they can't block it twith a lightsaber.

They can jump above one, but they'll just get steam rolled by another. And while these may not be currently available to Aes Sedia now, they mayvery easilly, be in the Last book.

 

Aes Sedia/Ashaman vs Jedi/Sith in a war? And I mean, full out Clone wars Style War. Equal Numbers...

 

Aes Sedia/Ashaman = win.

 

Course, the Sith might just plague earth with jar jar binks and call it quits.

 

Different sets of powers, an Aes Sedia, would have very little metal on them. (only thing they really have on them, is there rings, and that isn't big enough to really push/pull on)

Shields of air would block most incoming things, and Allomancers would have no defence against basefire.. or well, balls of flame.

Slowing time down, might be of use, if they can pull it off.

 

 

I specifically mentioned atium for a reason. Atium allows them to see what the Aes Sedai are about to do and then dodge it. Further, a lot of Mistborn carry around their own metal (like coins).

Just came up with another scenario: Fuerchemists vs. Aes Sedai/Asha'man

 

 

Force Lightning, was a Frontal Attack, and very visible.

Aes Sedia Lightning, comes from the sky (well, technically it goes up, not down. but yea...), like real lightning.

Point is, they'd never even know what the Aes Sedia is doing. All they'd know is that the perseon is just staring at them all mean like.

 

 

If you recall, Aes Sedai lightning does rain down from the sky, unlike real lightning.

And then to regard the aspect of the Force that Jedi use a lot in fighting that is only briefly mentioned in the movies: The Force allows them to sense things before they come (very similair to burning atium, actually). So, they could sense the impending lighting and either dodge or use the force to block it and send it back at the Aes Sedai.

 

 

 

Balefire... Is not a laser. And depending on the size of the balefire. the lightsaber, even if it could intercept balefire, wouldn't cause it to shoot 45 degrees around the saber on both sides imoI twould simply not go through that one area. So it would still spray along it.

 

 

I concede the point. But, via the Force, couldn't the Jedi just sense it and dodge?

 

 

This isn't even mentioning the curvey/stringy Balefire that rand used.

 

 

Hmm...I'm not saying you're wrong, but do you happen to have that reference (I don't remember it, and would like to re-read it)

 

 

how would a Jedi defend against a field of rolling gateways flying at them?

 

 

Remeber, Death Gates only insta-kill because Shadowspawn can't go through gateways. But, the next application would be to send them into a sea or over a volacano, ect. so it would still have effect. I'm guessing that via the Force the could time their jumps till they close in on the Aes Sedai and do hand-to-hand combat.

 

 

 

But note, The Aes SEdia wouldn't actually need any hostile action to use the one power, to restrain Jedi, only to kill one. (I believe Nyneave proved this when Suiane restrained her with air?)

 

 

Even in shackles, the Jedi could still use the force. They could easily do something to distract the Aes Sedai and lose concentration. (or, heck, use the Force to drive them mad)

 

Okay, I'm playing the Devil's Advocate a bit here. Personally, I think it would be a close battle and would depend on the Jedi and Aes Sedai and how creative they were.

If you recall, Aes Sedai lightning does rain down from the sky, unlike real lightning.

And then to regard the aspect of the Force that Jedi use a lot in fighting that is only briefly mentioned in the movies: The Force allows them to sense things before they come (very similair to burning atium, actually). So, they could sense the impending lighting and either dodge or use the force to block it and send it back at the Aes Sedai.

 

Its written from 'their' point of view. lightning 'looks' to come from the sky, but its a bit of both, but hte charge actually goes 'up' but sinc eits the speed of light, it appears the opposite. (its just that fast) So the same could apply. And lightning really 'is' weather manipulation.

 

The jedi might feelsomething coming, but i doubt they'd be able to sense it like they would the force.Have to consider, to the Jedi, the One power is going to be very alien to them. (and vice versa)

 

Dodge? if they can move faster than the speed of thought.

And who says the force is able to reflect the one power? i'm going on a general idea that they don't really interact with each other, they pass through each other.

 

 

I concede the point. But, via the Force, couldn't the Jedi just sense it and dodge?

Mayhaps the initial 'blow' but all it takes is a paper thing strand of balefire to destroy someone. And if you consider it like a 'beam' weapon, all the aes sedia would have to do, is pivot enough to simply, slide the beam of balefire, into the jedi's jumping arc.

 

Think how Vader lost his legs.

 

Remeber, Death Gates only insta-kill because Shadowspawn can't go through gateways. But, the next application would be to send them into a sea or over a volacano, ect. so it would still have effect. I'm guessing that via the Force the could time their jumps till they close in on the Aes Sedai and do hand-to-hand combat.

 

Thats not the only way they kill.

They also kill by chopping things into a billion pieces.

Those that are lucky and make it through without being chopped up? They die from the gates.

I think RJ confirmed this to the readers in an interview. As far as everyone in the field was concerened, it chopped everything up, and those that simply disapeared... well they were no longer in combat. They didn't really know where they went. (I think we all assume, that they all exit at the same point.. Probalby ontop of Elida's roof or something.) I don't even know if rand, pre-last book actually knew what happened to tpossible survivors.. But i'm hazy on this.

 

Even in shackles, the Jedi could still use the force. They could easily do something to distract the Aes Sedai and lose concentration. (or, heck, use the Force to drive them mad)

 

well, since the mental factor isn't so much a Force vs One Power thing, I'm assuming the jedi are able to resist cumpulsion, just as Aes Sedia are able to not lose concentraiton.

There test for the shawl alone, is a testiment to there concentrational powers.

 

 

Rand vs Darth Vader

 

Darth Vader - Force chokes rand.

Rand Balefires Vader.

/gameover.

Multi-quote all you like.

 

Jedi > Aes Sedai.

 

Luke would slaughter Rand.

 

*it is known*

Weaves travel at the speed of thought. Air restraining and smothering. Fire cutting and burming. Water freezing from the inside out. Earth exploding underneath them.

 

Not to forget what the asha'man did to the Shaido- exploded them instantly. The jedi will get a tingley sense of danger, and promptly explode.

Same with a mistborn with atium- they would see a ghostly mist surrounding them, and may or may not realise that the mist is there skin and blood before they explode themselves.

@ Hoof

 

Ishy might have a point tho, as far as Luke goes. Now Rand is wtfpwnsauce, don't get me wrong, but Luke after the Emperor dies becomes pretty much the most OP character of ANY fantasy series I've ever read. I think in a one on one he could take Rand, but it would be a fairly close fight since Rand has Age of Legend Aes Sedai memories in his head AND has martial prowess as well. But at the end of the day, there is a limit to how much of the OP Rand can channel; it's not exactly clear in the books that Luke has any kind of limit in his ability with the force.

I've never read the books or how 'op' luke is.

All I know, is he's probably a terrible father.

LoL

 

Trust me bro, Luke becomes like Goku times a thousand. He'd be like Rand with the Choedan Khal's in comparable power level in his element.