I think Tolkien beats RJ in one thing: the world he has created. He knows everything that has ever happened in his world, the history is perfectly done, from what I have read. It's like in the real world.

 

But then, RJ's stories are more interesting. His characters are far more complex, when I compare WoT to LOTR. And in my opinion, Tarmon Gai'don is a greater battle than the War of Ring, or whatever it is called. I like WoT villains more than Nazgul or Sauron, though they are great too. So, WoT beats LOTR in my world- clearly.

I think Tolkien beats RJ in one thing: the world he has created. He knows everything that has ever happened in his world, the history is perfectly done, from what I have read. It's like in the real world.

 

But then, RJ's stories are more interesting. His characters are far more complex, when I compare WoT to LOTR. And in my opinion, Tarmon Gai'don is a greater battle than the War of Ring, or whatever it is called. I like WoT villains more than Nazgul or Sauron, though they are great too. So, WoT beats LOTR in my world- clearly.

ok dont compare Tolkien to RJ if you havent read all of his works, which you clealy havent since you only know about the war of the ring. The war of the ring is a splinter from the War of the Jewels, which was fought primarliy between the elves of the west against Morgoth, the great enemy, who is essentially a god, though before that the other gods hd to fight him, and the conflict lasted ages before it took the good gods to come and finally get rid of him - far moer grandiose than Tarmon Gaidin, when its just men fighting whatevre the dark one is supposed to be, if thats how you like to measure things. Sauron was a lietenant of Morgoth and so what he was doin was comparatively much less. So ill give RJ that he is bettre at entertaining people, but his world doesnt merit much else.

Tolkien practically invented nearly every fantasy trope and cliche seen today. Whether you enjoy his stories and prose or not, it is undeniable that without him modern fantasy would have a very different face. Few authors can lay claim to such influence

Everyone has the right to state their opinions about the books, weather or not you have read all or just some of them. It´s after all just opinions, not facts.

 

For me LotR is like the fantasy bible. It´s so complex. Tolkien build a whole world with myths, beings and languages. He was the first - like the father of fantasy. I love the Silmarillion - reading about the gods and the elves. LotR is a great story. A classical good vs evil.

 

I love the WoT as well even though it can´t compete with LotR as a whole. I love the magic system in WoT. It´s not described as much in LotR. We see Gandalf doing great stuff but we don´t get to know how he does it. LotR lacks of female characters. It´s like the world is full of men, Galdriel, Arwen and Eywin. In WoT we can follow both male and female characters, both among the good and the bad.

 

I find it hard to compare them because they are so different.

Everyone has the right to state their opinions about the books, weather or not you have read all or just some of them. It´s after all just opinions, not facts.

 

For me LotR is like the fantasy bible. It´s so complex. Tolkien build a whole world with myths, beings and languages. He was the first - like the father of fantasy. I love the Silmarillion - reading about the gods and the elves. LotR is a great story. A classical good vs evil.

 

I love the WoT as well even though it can´t compete with LotR as a whole. I love the magic system in WoT. It´s not described as much in LotR. We see Gandalf doing great stuff but we don´t get to know how he does it. LotR lacks of female characters. It´s like the world is full of men, Galdriel, Arwen and Eywin. In WoT we can follow both male and female characters, both among the good and the bad.

 

I find it hard to compare them because they are so different.

This; but sinc peopl keep on insistng on comparing them, I support LOTR is a millon times bettre.

They're equally good in my opinion. They're just better in different areas. Tolkien has a more compelling world, while Jordan has better characters.

One thing I particularly like about LotR is the depth of backstory and how it affects the story even without having read say the Silmarillion. Then when you do go and read it you discover that the backstory is incredibly rich and detailed

I think Tolkien beats RJ in one thing: the world he has created. He knows everything that has ever happened in his world, the history is perfectly done, from what I have read. It's like in the real world.

 

But then, RJ's stories are more interesting. His characters are far more complex, when I compare WoT to LOTR. And in my opinion, Tarmon Gai'don is a greater battle than the War of Ring, or whatever it is called. I like WoT villains more than Nazgul or Sauron, though they are great too. So, WoT beats LOTR in my world- clearly.

ok dont compare Tolkien to RJ if you havent read all of his works, which you clealy havent since you only know about the war of the ring. The war of the ring is a splinter from the War of the Jewels, which was fought primarliy between the elves of the west against Morgoth, the great enemy, who is essentially a god, though before that the other gods hd to fight him, and the conflict lasted ages before it took the good gods to come and finally get rid of him - far moer grandiose than Tarmon Gaidin, when its just men fighting whatevre the dark one is supposed to be, if thats how you like to measure things. Sauron was a lietenant of Morgoth and so what he was doin was comparatively much less. So ill give RJ that he is bettre at entertaining people, but his world doesnt merit much else.

 

Tolkien is probably better writer than RJ, and without him wouldn't be WoT. LOTR has a good feeling, especially in the first book, but WoT's feeling is better. The fact that RJ writes people very well makes his books the best. Rand is the best example of this, I loved TGS because of his story. Great battles and great enemies aren't the most important thing- it's the characters. RJ writes these all well, and that's why I like WoT more than LOTR. But I could read Tolkien's other books. I believe still they don't change my opinions much.

I like RJ's style a little better, he goes into all these details and really forges a world with every bits and peices, something I didn't really find in LotR... I mean, they're good books and my No. 1 movie, but they're just... not quite WoT...

I think Tolkien beats RJ in one thing: the world he has created. He knows everything that has ever happened in his world, the history is perfectly done, from what I have read. It's like in the real world.

 

But then, RJ's stories are more interesting. His characters are far more complex, when I compare WoT to LOTR. And in my opinion, Tarmon Gai'don is a greater battle than the War of Ring, or whatever it is called. I like WoT villains more than Nazgul or Sauron, though they are great too. So, WoT beats LOTR in my world- clearly.

ok dont compare Tolkien to RJ if you havent read all of his works, which you clealy havent since you only know about the war of the ring. The war of the ring is a splinter from the War of the Jewels, which was fought primarliy between the elves of the west against Morgoth, the great enemy, who is essentially a god, though before that the other gods hd to fight him, and the conflict lasted ages before it took the good gods to come and finally get rid of him - far moer grandiose than Tarmon Gaidin, when its just men fighting whatevre the dark one is supposed to be, if thats how you like to measure things. Sauron was a lietenant of Morgoth and so what he was doin was comparatively much less. So ill give RJ that he is bettre at entertaining people, but his world doesnt merit much else.

 

Tolkien is probably better writer than RJ, and without him wouldn't be WoT. LOTR has a good feeling, especially in the first book, but WoT's feeling is better. The fact that RJ writes people very well makes his books the best. Rand is the best example of this, I loved TGS because of his story. Great battles and great enemies aren't the most important thing- it's the characters. RJ writes these all well, and that's why I like WoT more than LOTR. But I could read Tolkien's other books. I believe still they don't change my opinions much.

yes as I said, Rj is bettre at entertaining people, but there is no other substance to his books. Tolkien wrote his stories to mostl y emulate the writing style of old Nordic and Celtic myths - and if you read any of those, they can be called "biblical" in style, usually just tells you what happens becuase it was up to a story teller to embellish it with their own details when recitng it before an audience, though the trilogy goes more into a folklore style with the additional details. The fact tha t one can make these acadmic parallels in my opinion indictes which was craftd with more care (and of cuorse there is the sticking point of proper usage of mythologies), but as othres pointed out, that maeks them in completely different categories that shouldnt be compared - Tolkien more properly wuold fall under antiquated literature, and I wuold assert mythology rathre than fantsy because he is essentially givin more substance to a deboned Germanc and particularly Anglic pagan lore, while Rj is contemporary fantasy, no more, no less - most of his mythological parallells go to a figuer that he completely butcherd to fit it into his story, save his overbearing Christian motifs. So as I said, completly different calibers.

Here...somewhere here, lulzies...they filmed the Hobbitses getting out of the barrels :) The water is lovely :D

 

 

Awesome blossom. And you meant the Dwarves right? Isn't BIlbo the only hobbit with them? Unless PJ really want's to put his stamp on it and all of a sudden Merry and Pippin's parents go along for the ride to the Lonely Mountain. Followed by Sam's great uncle who is a gardner/comic relief who always yells "I didn't do it!" and "Don't go there girrlll!!".

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA 5 points to the Wolf King :P

 

Dwarves. Yes. I need sleep >.<

Cool beans! Thank you for the points.

 

On a serious note, I really can't wait for this movie. Loved the original trilogy. Time to crack open the extended editions and return to Middle Earth.

I knoooow!!! :D it's so exciting....my reward after exams are all done will be to immediately bounce into le theatre for it :DD

 

Ooooo a marathon would be a good idea to do before!!

Me and Turin are thinkin of doing a full Lord of the Rings re-read ... even though that will mean I have to read the awful Tom Fol-de-rol bit.

 

I can feel the pain already.

Awwww but Tom Bombadil is great!! Lellow gumboots an' all!

No ... one of the best things Peter Jackson did was erase him from the films.

 

But he's tom bombadil. He's like the chuck norris of LotR. When the first living thing landed on Middle-Earth, he found Tom Bombadil there. The One Ring is one of the most powerful artifacts in the world, and he just ignores it. Sauron wishes he could be as cool as Tom Bombadil. When Gandalf came back, he had to ask Bombadil's permission to do it.

 

(Note that the above are jokes and mostly not based in canon. But bombadil is still teh awesomez.)

*commands the OLA to drag Maw out of this Thread*

 

He's like LotR's Santa :D

What would have happened to him if the hobbitses had lost I wonder?

 

:ponders:

He would have gone on living in his little forest. And if sauron had put one foot across the border, he would have kicked him back to Morgoth.

Is that right?

 

Yes.