My you guys have me convinced bandwagon vote? When did I say that? And why the unvote vote thing?

Less than 24 hours till deadline.

 

Darthe (5): Ithi, Thorum, Len, Turin, Womby

Ley (6): Darthe, Snowy, BB, Chuckles, Kaylee, Starry

BB (6): Ley, Smiley, Rand, Despo, Tina, RTE

Len (1): Maw

 

Not voting (4): Falcon, Random, Time, Tress

 

With 23 alive it takes 12 to lynch.

 

Deadline is Friday, Dec. 7th at 9 PM EST.

 

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Just got online first off Unvote I admit I was bandwagoning. I wasn't sure if I would have time to get online again today and wanted to make sure I placed a vote. At the time both Ley and BB stood out to me. Since Ley can prove/vet himself there's no need to leave my vote there.

I hadn't realized that Darthe hadn't said scheveningen. Darthe, with the explainations as to why it has been requested why haven't you said it?

*le sigh*

 

that's a ballsy claim, and it makes sense

 

unvote

Very well.  Unvote Vote Lenlo.

 

 

Allow me to explain why I am not saying Sheveningen.  As it so happens, I am William Joseph Slim, town rubber tongue.  This probably makes my plays make much more sense.  Also, it is the information I was withholding because I can confirm from my role PM that their is an LD in this game and the wording makes me inclined to believe that mafia has a silver tongue.  So there is my useful info from before.

 

Also, I will give a statement to check in my next message, proving myself.  Since I am a rubber tongue, whatever I say honestly should come back dishonestly and the inverse is true as well.  Keep that in mind.

I am not town.

That role would explain your playstyle...so a LD, silver tongue and rubber tongue?

 

Not saying I beleive you by the above, just saying it makes sense.

OK LD = lie Detector?

 

I've been clueless until just now, I'm pretty sure I've got it, just to confirm

Yes smiley

So Wombat is most likely the LD then, and he probably has to have people say the shenvingen word or whatever it is.  Darthe claiming rubber tongue seems legit, since I have never heard of that before, doesn't seem like a common fake claim at all.  I'm going to point out the big thing that no one has done yet which is we have 3 claimed power roles in the open, well 2 claimed, and one pretty much known.  Doctor is going to be in bad odds here.  Either mafia wants to get a sure kill here and go with someone else, or they decide to be risky and go with the PRs.  I urge the doc to WIFOM it as that gives mafia less chance of achieving a hit.  Also if there are any roles such as watchers, voyeurs, jailkeepers, or so on that can help protect people, please use it on those 3.  We are in a really bad situation right now.

 

That being said I honestly believe Darthe is town.  He is smart enough that he wouldn't attract so much attention to himself if he truly was maf.  Therefore the largest train we have that I find even the least bit favorable is 1 vote, which means to me that I have a freedom of voting right now, can always switch back if necessary, but i honestly don't like the darthe train at all.  Seems to me like overeager mafia trying to get onto a lynch.  I'm going to go with my gut on this one and say Turin.  Turin has been buddying up to Wombat like no other, had a weak Ithi buddy up attempt, and Turin does like to buddy up as mafia.  Honestly, this is my best read right now, not that good of a read, but it's my best shot.  So unvote vote Turin

Wow, this got crazy pretty fast. Yet we don't want a random lynch either. BB and Ley will have a chance to vet themselves tomorrow by their NA's, so it's safe to stay away from them. 

 

Considering the play I've seen, I have to make a bold move: vote Tina

 

She has had made an interesting time so far of kind of commenting, yet not throwing out cases or anything. I'm getting a ping from her as smart yet lurky play. 

So quick are you to judge his statements as true. This is much akin to a miller claim--it could easily be a maf trying to look more town. His words should be taken with a grain of salt imo.

Unvote due to claim.

Going to do a re-read before placing my vote.

So quick are you to judge his statements as true. This is much akin to a miller claim--it could easily be a maf trying to look more town. His words should be taken with a grain of salt imo.

Unvote due to claim.

Going to do a re-read before placing my vote.

 

At this stage of the game, it's not necessarily that we believe any of the claims: but I'd really rather not lose a PR on day 1. At least 2 of them can somewhat vet themselves too. Darthe we'll have to watch, but it is a pretty crazy claim to be fake. 

 

Really concerned we won't come to a consensus on anyone else by deadline though

Unvote

 

Lot I wanna comment on, but I'm about to start audit. I will say I don't really like Darthe's claim, and there are a few reasons why, which I'll get into later. Considering that even if he's telling the truth, his role still wouldn't be that useful to town, I think I'll just go ahead and vote Darthe. I could easily switch to either Thorum or Lenlo, if either of those trains picked up steam

BB

I'm Winston Churchill, town cop.

 

Does this seem odd to anyone else? Important role to important person, I get that, but "cop" is a role much more fitting to a LOT of other characters. Unless I'm missing a bit of history...

 

And, for the record, I'm not Churchill, so this is just an idle thought. It could be a mafia plow to smoke the real Churchill out.

 

 

What is a rubber tongue? Cannot find it on mafiascum and also sounds VERY untestable and useless to town.

 

My vote stays where it is

And it would be a mafia ploy, not a plow 

it sounds to me as if when a lie detector checks out a rubber tongue he/she would find that a true statement is false and a false statement true, so for darthe's above statement it should return true, if he said he was town it would return false. At least that's how I think it works.

 

Also I don't really know where to put my vote up, I'll have to have a rethink of candidates before the end of today

And it would be a mafia ploy, not a plow 

 

a mafia plow sounds dangerous too

it sounds to me as if when a lie detector checks out a rubber tongue he/she would find that a true statement is false and a false statement true, so for darthe's above statement it should return true, if he said he was town it would return false. At least that's how I think it works.

 

 

And if he's lying about his role, results would be exactly the same.

 

RUles

 

4. If a hammer is not reached by the voting deadline, a random player will be lynched with no coroner report.

 

Seems to me, we better concentrate on the three people who have proclaimed. I don't see anyone else getting a majority over the next 17 hours, and we need a coroner confirmation.

So here's what I don't like about Darthe's claim. Rubber tongue would partially explain his odd behavior at the start of the game, but it def doesn't explain why he would have been reluctant to say Scheveningen. And while were talking about his early role hinting, if he was really a Rubbertongue I just don't see him leading himself out like that. It could have been an attempt to try and get himself cleared early if he knew the code word or something, but he had to have known that even if he had claimed rubbertongue and gotten the LD to buy his story, the rest of town might not have. It amounts to the same thing as a Miller claiming early; town would not want the wifom to linger so would eventually lynch them anyways.

 

Now, I know he can possibly be vetted if he is the rubbertongue, but the problem is we all know who the person checking him would be, and with the cop already claiming if Darthe is mafia he could easily have his team kill Wombat before Wombat had a chance to finger him. Or they could RB him or something.

 

Another thing that makes me uncomfortable about it is that is does seem like a little too convenient of a claim, as it's a role that is linked to another that has already sort of claimed, yet it's obscure enough that people think it wouldn't be fake.

 

Lastly, as I said before, even if Darthe is telling the truth, his role doesn't really offer town any more utility. So yeah, I still think he's a good lynch candidate.

 

But again, I could still easily switch to Thorum or Lennish. If I get bored in a little bit I can go back and do cases on both to see if I can change some minds

I have just gotten out of bed so I might not think that clearly. I don´t understand why Darthe choose to play it that way. What was the purpose of his initial play and why couldn´t he tell us about it later? And can you describe the rubber tongue again. I couldn´t find that role either.

 

 

Unvote

 

Lot I wanna comment on, but I'm about to start audit. I will say I don't really like Darthe's claim, and there are a few reasons why, which I'll get into later. Considering that even if he's telling the truth, his role still wouldn't be that useful to town, I think I'll just go ahead and vote Darthe. I could easily switch to either Thorum or Lenlo, if either of those trains picked up steam

 

Agree with this post. If he is what he says he is basically a vanilla that the LD need to spend an action on to get confirmed.

it sounds to me as if when a lie detector checks out a rubber tongue he/she would find that a true statement is false and a false statement true, so for darthe's above statement it should return true, if he said he was town it would return false. At least that's how I think it works.

 

Also I don't really know where to put my vote up, I'll have to have a rethink of candidates before the end of today

 

That reminds me: that's another problem with Darthe's claim, I'm not so sure it can be vetted the way he thinks. If he IS town, then the statement is a lie, but I don't know that his role flips everything around like that. It's the opposite of Silvertongue, and the thing about Silvertongue is that any lie will read as a truth to a LD, but if a Silvertongue says something true that doesn't mean the LD will see it as a lie.

 

So the Rubbertongue presumably would have all of his true statements read as lies to a LD, but that doesn't mean his lies ring as truths. So in other words, I don't think Wombat could vet him either way. This kinda makes sense because a Cop can't vet a Miller somehow. I dunno tho, I've never played with a Rubbertongue, so I'm not sure how they normally operate

Ninja´d again.

 

 

Wow, this got crazy pretty fast. Yet we don't want a random lynch either. BB and Ley will have a chance to vet themselves tomorrow by their NA's, so it's safe to stay away from them. 

 

Considering the play I've seen, I have to make a bold move: vote Tina

 

She has had made an interesting time so far of kind of commenting, yet not throwing out cases or anything. I'm getting a ping from her as smart yet lurky play. 

 

Don´t you like my Thorum case?

 

it sounds to me as if when a lie detector checks out a rubber tongue he/she would find that a true statement is false and a false statement true, so for darthe's above statement it should return true, if he said he was town it would return false. At least that's how I think it works.

 

 

And if he's lying about his role, results would be exactly the same.

 

 

which is the problem really

 

Lastly, as I said before, even if Darthe is telling the truth, his role doesn't really offer town any more utility. So yeah, I still think he's a good lynch candidate.

 

that is a good point, but Darthe does pull his weight in terms of posting etc. just a weigh-up of whether that's worth the risk of him being mafia