If I might ask Kaylee, why me? I understand Smiley and RTE. Both heavily defended Ithi if my memory serves me.

Ithi had pointed out that you were following a lot. Not making cases of your own. I realize she turned out to be mafia, but the posts she had used still stand.

This was on Leno

 

I thought you were rereading Ley? Maybe you have been up too late.

^this

Ok, finally got a chance to catch up.

 

Turin, I'm leaning towards town with his recent posts.

 

RTE, still pings me, the question about being the only townie left really started making me look at him. I'm getting an anti-vibe from him.

 

Tress, I'm still unsure of. I look forward to hearing her thoughts when she is able to post them.

 

Darthe, I believed the vig claim before the replacement. I also think this would have been better held off being a 1-time shot.

 

Leno, I hadn't really noticed his following until Ithi pointed it out. Leaning anti-town.

 

Smiley, why stake everything you have on Ithi being town? What makes you so sure? That comment just seemed off to me.

 

TG, is still UnCC'd cop.

 

Random, mason with Rand.

 

Ithi, I'm thinking she's town. I see the point about how a mafia could easily lead townie lynches, but I just get more of a town vibe from her.

 

Vote RTE

Here Ley, These were my thoughts, at the time. My thoughts haven't changed for Len, which was re-explained, RTE, and Smiley. The only change is you are now on my list for your recent posts.

In fact Vote Ley

Vote count:

 

Ley 2.0 (2): Turin, Kaylee

Turin (1): Ley 2.0

Tress (1): TG

 

Not voting (8): RTE, Smiley, Random, Maw, Tress, Player, Len, Despo 2.0

 

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

 

http://www.timeandda...30101T21&p0=422

 

And with that, the mod is smashed and going to bed.

 

Look, according to you, I am mafia. Would that mean I had no idea who I'd expect to be in the other mafia team?

 

If there are two mafia teams, the mafia teams can also go scumhunting like townies, but with their allies as confirmed townies, right?

 

That means, that your argument is flawed, as wheter I'm mafia or town, I'd have the same ideas of who I could trust. Except of course confirmed teammates in the case of mafia, who I'd be able to trust for sure.

I had to read this three times to figure out what you were trying to say. I still may not have straight. But this is what I think you are saying:

As mafia you would not have any idea who was on the other team, just as if town you would not know any mafia. This would be true. Also if there are two teams as I have supposed, that each mafia team can go hunt the other while knowing who their teammates are. this is also true. your conclusion is wrong as simply having the information is not the point. Mafia tend to be unwilling to address who else they really think is mafia because they are unsure of how to address the matter of their teammates. It isn't that you can't trust your teammates but you are unsure of how to put thoughts on thread about them. do you call them out to distance or do you say that you think they are town to try to protect them. the worst of all is to ignore them altogether as if you die it will draw the most attention to them. So you say I do not know who the mafia is and promise to do a reread.

 

What I was saying, was, why wouldn't the mafia of one team just go scum-hunting while thinking of their allies as Mason, with the difference they should absolutely not reveal they're teammates?

 

 

Why do you think this exactly, Kaylee? If you have mentioned it earlier (mightn't be able to recall it atm, it's 12:45 AM, so past midnight), just link to it.

Why does she think RTE, Smiley and Lenlo are mafia? 

or why does she ask for info about Tress?

 

I thought you were rereading Ley? Maybe you have been up too late.

 

I said I might do a reread. I haven't yet found the time for it.

I still haven't been able to get enough time to get truly caught up on this game, but after following recent developments it definitely feels wise to Vote Leyrann. The NA list just doesn't really add up. Kinda weird that there wasn't an action submitted N3 (if there was an inactive on the mafia team, mods will often let someone else on the team use the action, and if someone came in as a replacement during the night, his/her teammates would just let them know who to use the NA on most likely). However, there is some wifom here since if Ley is mafia, he could have submitted a NA N3, but doesn't want to say who it is since it would be harder to explain or something.

 

Either way, Mr. Snow blocking an Inventor trying to vet themselves N1 just makes absolutely no sense. I have seen RB'ers block a claimed townie to try and vet their role themselves; for instance a RBer could block someone who claims cop, to see if that person tries pretending they still had a viewing or something. But with an Inventor this wouldn't work, since the Inventor themselves wouldn't usually receive notice if their NA worked or not, it's up to their intended recipient to try and vet them.

Eventually I WILL buckle down and do a full reread to really get my grips on the game however, so until I do bear with me yall. No one ever tried helpin me out with a recap

 

As I look at today's talk about it, it looks like using a NA is easier than not using it...

Vote count:

 

Ley 2.0 (3): Turin, Kaylee, des 2.0

Turin (1): Ley 2.0

Tress (1): TG

 

Not voting (7): RTE, Smiley, Random, Maw, Tress, Player, Len

 

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

 

http://www.timeandda...30101T21&p0=422

 

I must have really tied one on, I can't even remember posting a VC when I got home last night, but there it is.

I am unsure how to feel about this. On the one hand, yeah, good points are being made about Ley 2.0. On the other hand, I really can't shake the feeling that Turin is running us into a wall. However, even if he is mafia, he wants the other mafia team to be lynched. Soooo... VOTE LEY, i guess.

Why Tress? If you've said why before I can try to find the post. 

 

 

I still think Smiley, RTE and Lenlo are good choices. I'd like to hear what they have to say. 

 

I think it was post #1359.  Page 68ish?

 

TG, given the assumptions noted earlier, and using Despo's assertion that the two mafia teams alternate kills, which seems to follow the facts we have seen so far. The mafia teams wouldn't pass up a chance to kill a member of the other team. I think it is more likely that on the night following his revealing as a RB thathis team had the kill. Then with the option of killing the basically confirmed cop or a claimed RB they shot... Darthe? a one shot vig that some were thinking might be mafia himself. If Ley was BG's teammate (japanese mafia) like I suggested then BG would not have him killed. further BG is devious enough to want to try to kill a member of the other team instead of the cop.

 

I can see one team going after Darthe if his scumhunting was on the right track.  Especially if they have a mafia role cop and figured Darthe was likely to shoot them.

Eventually I WILL buckle down and do a full reread to really get my grips on the game however, so until I do bear with me yall. No one ever tried helpin me out with a recap

 

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/77243-advanced-world-war-ii-mafia-day-6/?p=2714109

 

Those were my thoughts from my reread if it helps.

I really have to agree with Despo's logic on Ley, but I'm still worried that if it's jsut been a misplayed PR, we are losing it by lynching now. 

 

Is there anyone else at all that you're suspect of Des? 

I'm highly suspicious that this Ley2.0 lynch attempt is a push from one mafia team trying to get a lynch on the other team.

I'm highly suspicious that this Ley2.0 lynch attempt is a push from one mafia team trying to get a lynch on the other team.

Which, in my opinion, is totally okay. Still ends with a dead anti-townie.

I'm highly suspicious that this Ley2.0 lynch attempt is a push from one mafia team trying to get a lynch on the other team.

Double what Maw said. What does it matter what mafia team we are lynching? We wont to get rid of them both.

want to*

 

Weird typo...

Vote count:

 

Ley 2.0 (4): Turin, Kaylee, Des 2.0, Maw

Turin (1): Ley 2.0

Tress (1): TG

 

Not voting (6): RTE, Smiley, Random, Tress, Player, Len

 

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

 

http://www.timeandda...30101T21&p0=422

want to*

 

Weird typo...

 

This comes across as defensive, Len - typos happen, and the intent of the sentence was clear enough.  Feeling the need to correct it immediately is slightly defensive, but some people can't stand to leave a typo sitting out there and if it was just a correction I'd overlook it normally.  Pointing out "NO REALLY GUYS THAT WAS A TYPO, I DIDN'T MEAN ANYTHING" didn't need to be done and makes it look like you're nervous.

 

I just re-read through the beginning of the day, as something was not sitting right with me about Turin's case on Ley2.0 and I couldn't identify what it was, plus I was leaning toward Ley2.0 as town.  If Eisenhower is a fake claim, just nearly any character claim is suspect.  Some of the points Turin made are pretty compelling, specifically about the possibility of BG and Ley2.0 being teammates distancing from one another.  The blatant OMGUS vote in response really doesn't look good.

 

I could accept a town RB along with one mafia team having a RB, figuring the other mafia team would have something else to balance it, but the most troubling thing with that is Snow's odd choice of blocking Ley1.0, as if he didn't want to let the town inventor prove himself.  If we had the original player in to explain his thought process for the blocks, I'd probably feel a bit more comfortable with Ley2.0.

 

As it is, I will vote Ley.

 

I think we need to hear more from Player, he's been silent since he replaced in.

?

 

Tress I always do that to typos. I find it odd that your trying to read so much into what is just a normal spelling fix.

Vote count:

 

Ley 2.0 (5): Turin, Kaylee, Des 2.0, Maw, Tress

Turin (1): Ley 2.0

Tress (1): TG

 

Not voting (5): RTE, Smiley, Random, Player, Len

 

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

 

http://www.timeandda...30101T21&p0=422

Tress: I'm suspicious of Lenlo myself, though that just seemed like a typo fix to me.

TG, is this the post you were referring to? Also, what about it stood out to you?

I've had a very long, exhausting week trying to cover extra duties at work... brain is trying to shut down on me even as I type.  The good news is, I'm off work for 9 whole days, and will be at my mom's house after tomorrow night with wi-fi, my laptop, and very little to do except bum around on DM.  Ahh, vacation.

 

As for current events... I am having a hard time figuring Ithi out now.   Earlier in the game she didn't seem to be playing quite as aggressively, but she really ramped that up with her hard push on Marsh, and today's pouncing on Lenlo.  Marsh turned out to be telling the truth, but I honestly didn't expect that to be the case.  The role claim is interesting from a game setup perspective.  I've never been in a game with an Oracle-type role.  If she's telling the truth, I'm fascinated to see what she finds out next...  not sold on it being the truth, though.

 

What bothers me is how very strongly Smiley is supporting her.  Unless they're on a mason team (which I doubt, seeing as how Random and Rand were masons), or lovers, I'm having a hard time figuring it.  Maybe he's an unlyncher. 

 

I have a better feeling about Turin now that he's given a more detailed post with his thoughts.  His notes about RTE remind me of the pings I was getting from him earlier, and I need to go back through and look at some of the earlier things that bothered me. 

 

Pretty sure there was more I wanted to say but I'm drawing a blank.  I have packing and such to do for my flight tomorrow, may have time to collect my thoughts.  If not, Sunday I'll have to spend time with my family, but the evening should be free.

What's funny is I thought Tress goin at Lenlo for correcting himself was a bit of a stretch, but I found his response to her query to be pingworthy. Mostly the way he was trying to turn it back on her, saying he found it odd that she was making something out of that. If he truly had nothing to hide, I would have found it more genuine if he had just said it was a typo, without the responsive implied accusation.

 

Someone (Maw I think) asked me who else I might be suspicious of, unfortunately I still haven't been able to make time for the lengthy reread ahead of me. Should be slow tonight so hopefully I can get it done tonight.