Bout to start audit, will bbl

I am unsure how to feel about this. On the one hand, yeah, good points are being made about Ley 2.0. On the other hand, I really can't shake the feeling that Turin is running us into a wall. However, even if he is mafia, he wants the other mafia team to be lynched. Soooo... VOTE LEY, i guess.

 

And one more post that makes me think you might be a Silvertongue... I think I'll actually unvote vote Maw, even though the LD told us he was a townie.

Also, I must say I don't really see how I can show you more that I am town than by telling you that I am Eisenhower. Noone has counterclaimed that, and I'd think everyone would agree that he will be in this game, as he made the plan that made the Allies win the war.

Vote count:

 

Ley 2.0 (5): Turin, Kaylee, Des 2.0, Maw, Tress

Maw (1): Ley 2.0

Tress (1): TG

 

Not voting (5): RTE, Smiley, Random, Player, Len

 

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

 

http://www.timeandda...30101T21&p0=422

TG, is this the post you were referring to? Also, what about it stood out to you?

 

My thoughts on Tress is that she has had a number of late votes instead of being a bit more active in casing and voting.  Also, in my notes, I have something about Tress putting out some misinformation, but I don't have any specifics on what it was so I'll have to go back through to properly case.  Like I said before, the biggest thing I was looking for in my reread is people who seemed to consistently follow others points and make moves that are fairly unaccountable (e.g. Ithi made a case, a page or two later BGrish would follow up on it in an oblique way).  Tress has done this consistently throughout the game.

 

 

I am unsure how to feel about this. On the one hand, yeah, good points are being made about Ley 2.0. On the other hand, I really can't shake the feeling that Turin is running us into a wall. However, even if he is mafia, he wants the other mafia team to be lynched. Soooo... VOTE LEY, i guess.

 

And one more post that makes me think you might be a Silvertongue... I think I'll actually unvote vote Maw, even though the LD told us he was a townie.

 

What?  This feels a heckuva lot like you are just trying to throw out WIFOM as a mafia resigned to dying. 

TG, I yesterday (game-time yesterday) posted a case on Maw that I had made, but between making it and posing it WoT revealed, and as Maw has at not a single point had some real input in the game, I really think he's a Silvertongue, as Darthe1.0 warned us. No, I can't be sure, but that doesn't take away he's been really unhelpful.

 

In fact, the reason that I said noone stood out to me was also a bit because Maw was confirmed town, and I felt like I should ignore him standing out to me, but as I'm going to die anyways, I can as well remind people that someone is in fact pretty scummy.

Vote count (same as this morning):

 

Ley 2.0 (5): Turin, Kaylee, Des 2.0, Maw, Tress

Maw (1): Ley 2.0

Tress (1): TG

 

Not voting (5): RTE, Smiley, Random, Player, Len

 

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

 

http://www.timeandda...30101T21&p0=422

Vote Ley

Wow... Full case on Maw destroyed by a reveal... Will still post it, just in case, but I guess it holds no power anymore. You could've saved me a lot of searching by revealing this morning, WoT...

 

But this is the case:

 

Right so this post. The main reason to still post something like this is to link players together IMO. So if he flips mafia then going through this post will be helpful.

That's not reason to quote it really. More just a notes thing. The reason to quote this was because later on he starts on the LD train of thought and decides Maw is a silver tounge. He didn't mention those thoughts in this post. Seems off

(Quote edited due to space and this being hard to work with on an iPad)

 

Gotta say, 2 GF's in a row is pretty boss. However, we also have two confirmed mafia teams, which fits into canon, yet no evidence of multiple kills at night. Either they exchange kills, or one kills and one recruits perhaps? Anyhoo, more to come later when I got more time.

This seems pretty scummy suggesting recruits when we have seen no evidence of it so far at all and it seems perfect ally likely that the can alternate. It's been done in games before and I'm sure you would of seen it before.

 

Of those left, WoT got a true result on Maw (town read), Random was mason with Rand, TG is UnCC'd cop, and I believe Ley 2.0 to be town since it was him that caught Ithi in a lie. That leaves 8 players (myself included). 

Two mafia teams means that catching a mafia out doesn't mean they are town necessarily. Like how you just slipped it in there though

 

The thing is that with two godfathers lynched it is almost certain that there are two mafia teams. If they were aware of that then the mafia would be actively hunting for the members of the other team just as much as the town would be. One they need to eliminate the other mafia team and two it gives them the opportunity to look town.

 

I would like to hear who Ley blocked tho since the cop appears to have been blocked and the LD killed.

I agree with this. But I think they would try "save" the mafia they know of to prove themselves when nessacary or useful. So they will be hunting mafia but not lynching them just yet IMO

well Ley has to be telling the truth, he used his info against Ithi, as for TG, well I can't see this game not having a cop (remember Marsh had that Cop/Doc backup role) and if TG is false claiming then the real cop is leaving it awful late to reveal

I feel like it wascoveredalready that the teams, most likely, aren't working together. So FOS you

Also feels like your just opening it up for a doc claim just incase

 

1. Ithi Erwin Rommel, German Godfather, lynched Day 4

2. Turin

3. RTE4. Darthe William Joseph Slim, Allied Rubber Tongue, lynched Day 1

5. Falcon Ironeyes Jimmy Doolittle, Allied cop/Doc Backup, lynched Day 3

6. Smiley7. Rand Georgy Zhukov, Allied Mason, lynched Day 2

8. Ley J. Robert Oppenheimer, Allied Inventor, killed Night 2

9. Random10. BG Isoroku Yamamoto, Japanese Godfather, lynched Day 5

11. Maw

12. Tress

13. Kaylee

14. Bard Babe TG

15. lolguy Player

16. Len17. Womby Franklin Roosevelt, Allied Doctor, killed Night 3

18. Despo Henry Stimson, Vanilla Ally, killed Night 1

19. WoT13 William Halsey, Allied Lie Detector, killed Night 5

20. Starrik Despo 2.0

21. Snowy Ley 2.022. Tina Vasily Chuikov, Vanilla Ally, killed Day 223. Thorum Darthe 2.0 Vasily Zaytsev, Allied One-shot Day Vig, killed Night 4

 

I copied this from the front page and colored it the way we are used to Green for town and Red for scum.

 

What I really don't like about this Kaylee is that you colored both GF's the same color, even tho the diff colors the mod put them in strongly implies they were on seperate teams. And as I said before, two mafia teams def fits with canon, considering that there was a European theater for the war, as well as an Asian one. There was a VE day, and a seperate day for the end of the war in Japan.

 

WHy are trying to get us to believe both were on the same team?

To me it seems that she was just trying to separate town and mafia. Not say the mafia were working together.

Either way they are still against the town. I feel like you are trying to divert this for no real reason other than something against the town. It just doesn't sit well with me

 

 

 

Gotta say, 2 GF's in a row is pretty boss. However, we also have two confirmed mafia teams, which fits into canon, yet no evidence of multiple kills at night. Either they exchange kills, or one kills and one recruits perhaps? Anyhoo, more to come later when I got more time.

Im not sure how I feel about you sowing the seeds of recruit Wifom Despo. We have seen no evidence of that and its what, night 5?  Why bring it up now?

 

Don't see how you could think I'm sowing seeds of wifom. It appears we have two mafia teams, yet we haven't had a night with multiple deaths, have we?

 

This means that, like I said, we are prob dealing with either two teams that alternate kills (team A kills even nights, team B kills odd nights, or that one team kills while the other recruits or something.

 

Obviously I would prefer that it be the first option, as I hate dealing with recruiting elements, but hoping for the best will get you no where in mafia. You must consider all possibilities. Now, if one team does have recruiting capabilities, they might be limited somehow, which could partially explain why we haven't seen anyone flip as converted or anything. Either way, you questioning me for putting out completely logical evaluations is disconcerting.

You play a lot of mafia. The numbers wouldn't add up if they were recruiting. I really don't like how you keep going back to this. If it turns out to be true ill eat my words but I don't believe that there is recruiting happening

I like your case, Turin. Really well-build up. (/sarcasm)

 

I'm now voted by you because two other people have the same role, and it seems my role exists twice too? I don't see any reason to assume that the mafia teams are exactly the same.

 

Is it safe to assume there is one Goon for sure? Because that would mean, that, would I have been mafia, that would mean both had 1) A Godfather, 2) A Roleblocker, 3) A Goon, and then we yet have to add a Silvertongue for both teams, according to Darthe 1.0's info. That would mean 8 mafia players, more than 33% of the game. And yet we there hasn't died any before a roleblocker revealed and a lie detector revealed? That's really unplausible.

 

vote Turin for the most far-fetched case of the game, trying to lynch a revealed townie.

Games are meant to be balanced. What better way to balance a game than to have both teams with the same roles or at least very similar ones.

I know that that would mean that the game would seem unbalanced but mafia teams tend to cancel each other out so they are generally over powered by normal standards to balance it out

In my experience at least

So, Turin is floating the idea of two mafia teams, and contending that they don't talk to each other nor do they know who each other are, is that correct?  So, Turin, assuming the previous you believe that the fact that they haven't hit each other once in a NK is just coincidence so far? 

Yes and no. I think it is a coincidence yes but to me the mafia would be trying to go after power roles townies or confirmed townies. Like I said earlier I think they will save up the people they know are on the other mafia team to validate themselves. That's what makes two mafia team games so much fun and more challenging

As I look at today's talk about it, it looks like using a NA is easier than not using it...

Lol yes. I've been lynched for that before.

But in this game it feels like you're hiding something

 

 

I am unsure how to feel about this. On the one hand, yeah, good points are being made about Ley 2.0. On the other hand, I really can't shake the feeling that Turin is running us into a wall. However, even if he is mafia, he wants the other mafia team to be lynched. Soooo... VOTE LEY, i guess.

 

And one more post that makes me think you might be a Silvertongue... I think I'll actually unvote vote Maw, even though the LD told us he was a townie.

I might of missed mention of this before but it seems sudden and like a desperate diversion. While a silver tounge is a very real possibility this post makes it extremely easy for you to just shrug off guilt if he were to flip town and say that you thought silver tounge. I don't like it

 

Also, I must say I don't really see how I can show you more that I am town than by telling you that I am Eisenhower. Noone has counterclaimed that, and I'd think everyone would agree that he will be in this game, as he made the plan that made the Allies win the war.

The last half of the post bugs me. It feels like you are over justifying it

 

TG, I yesterday (game-time yesterday) posted a case on Maw that I had made, but between making it and posing it WoT revealed, and as Maw has at not a single point had some real input in the game, I really think he's a Silvertongue, as Darthe1.0 warned us. No, I can't be sure, but that doesn't take away he's been really unhelpful.

 

In fact, the reason that I said noone stood out to me was also a bit because Maw was confirmed town, and I felt like I should ignore him standing out to me, but as I'm going to die anyways, I can as well remind people that someone is in fact pretty scummy.

That's a convenient way to cover your previous lack of a view on people who you find scummy

 

(Please forgive this it took me over an hour on th iPad I'm not good atypical and fixing quotes and stuff on it)

@Player: If Smiley would do a Doc reveal, that'd be a free mafia lynch, as the Doc is already dead.

 

Also about the Maw case, I wouldn't even have posted my case on him if I hadn't suspected him to be Silvertongue back then already. I mean, it's like posting a case on an un-cced Cop. Just not useful if there are not more reasons.

Vote count:

 

Ley 2.0 (6): Turin, Kaylee, Des 2.0, Maw, Tress, Player

Maw (1): Ley 2.0

Tress (1): TG

 

Not voting (4): RTE, Smiley, Random, Len

 

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

 

http://www.timeandda...30101T21&p0=422

 

 L - 1.

Turin and subsequent commentators have me agreeing that two independently acting mafias are in this game. It would seem that one of them get a kill each night. as for the other ability (there's a mafia roleblocker) - either one team has a RB and the other some other role, or both have RB's that can block one person each night, or maybe the RB ability cycles as well.

 

I don't buy into Despo's recruiting theory, I think it was rather silly actually, seems slightly OP and I think as someone might have said before, if that was the case Town would have already been outnumbered by now.

 

Now for the case at hand, at first I thought Ley was Town and that was it, his claim made sense and he had a mafia kill under his belt as well. But with the possibility of two teams, his actions don't vet him. Assume that Ley is on the Japanes mafia team (BG's one) - the unknowns for him would be a mix of Townies and the opposite mafia team and his lead on the Ithi lynch would have been a great way to both get one of the opposite mafia team as well as make himself seem Townish.

 

and for that together with Snow's seemingly unreconcilable first NA, the missed third NA, as well as the last minute push on Maw and his claim that he had no mafia leads and was doing recent blocks systematically instead of trying to do something strategic

 

Vote Ley

Vote count:

 

Ley 2.0 (7): Turin, Kaylee, Des 2.0, Maw, Tress, Player, Smiley

Maw (1): Ley 2.0

Tress (1): TG

 

Not voting (3): RTE, Random, Len

 

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

 

http://www.timeandda...30101T21&p0=422

 

That's a lynch.

The Pacific:

 

Things were not looking as good for Japan as they had been. Ley was working on the evacuation of forces from Guadalcanal. First the Americans had taken back Midway, now this. He got into his plane and readied it for takeoff from the airstrip. As he rose, he could see carriers in the distance. Ours or theirs, he wondered. The they began launcing planes in his direction. Planes with cannons blazing. Theirs, he had time to think as his plane suddenly lost height, and fell into the ocean.

 

Ley 2.0, Minoru Genda, Japanese Goon, has been lynched.

 

It is now Night 6. Deadline to get NAs in is Wednesday, Jan. 2nd at 9 PM EST.

Hm.

 

Hoped for twilight to do some reveals that I couldn't do without telling I was mafia...

 

Oh whatever.

 

Good game & Well played, loved how my fake claim worked out.

 

Also I want my scene. How did I die?

Well done Turin. 

Hm.

 

Hoped for twilight to do some reveals that I couldn't do without telling I was mafia...

 

Oh whatever.

 

Good game & Well played, loved how my fake claim worked out.

 

Also I want my scene. How did I die?

 

 

This doesn't break the rules, but it comes very close.

 

EVERYONE must avoid discussing in-game things in their bah post. Ley didn't reveal any information or try to steer people toward or away from specific people. But talking about what you hoped to do or planned to do, etc is bending the rules IMO. You do not make game-related posts after you are dead. Period.

 

This is the only warning I am giving. The next person to do this will bring down sanctions upon their faction.

Norway:

 

Turin had spent the war in a comfortable position of power... so long as he didn't anger his German masters. But now the Allies were trying to retake Norway. The resistance was aiding them, he was sure of it. His position domestically was crumbling, and the Germans were evacuating. So he was unsurprised one day in May when he was arrested. He didn't even have time to be surprised when as he was being escorted from his home, one of the arresting men pulled out a pistol and shot him in the head.

 

Turin, Vidkun Quisling, Pro-German Symp, has been killed.

 

it is now Day 7. With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Deadline is set for Friday, Jan. 4th at 9 PM EST.

 

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130104T21&p0=422

Bah, go germany.

 

 

 

 

Thanks for the Blue coloring Basel.

Vote Despo

 

you've been scummy for a while now

 

 

Gotta say, 2 GF's in a row is pretty boss. However, we also have two confirmed mafia teams, which fits into canon, yet no evidence of multiple kills at night. Either they exchange kills, or one kills and one recruits perhaps? Anyhoo, more to come later when I got more time.

Im not sure how I feel about you sowing the seeds of recruit Wifom Despo. We have seen no evidence of that and its what, night 5?  Why bring it up now?

 

Don't see how you could think I'm sowing seeds of wifom. It appears we have two mafia teams, yet we haven't had a night with multiple deaths, have we?

 

This means that, like I said, we are prob dealing with either two teams that alternate kills (team A kills even nights, team B kills odd nights, or that one team kills while the other recruits or something.

 

Obviously I would prefer that it be the first option, as I hate dealing with recruiting elements, but hoping for the best will get you no where in mafia. You must consider all possibilities. Now, if one team does have recruiting capabilities, they might be limited somehow, which could partially explain why we haven't seen anyone flip as converted or anything. Either way, you questioning me for putting out completely logical evaluations is disconcerting.

Despo suggested the possibility of there being recruitment when there hadn't been any evidence of it to this point.

 

TG, given the assumptions noted earlier, and using Despo's assertion that the two mafia teams alternate kills, which seems to follow the facts we have seen so far. The mafia teams wouldn't pass up a chance to kill a member of the other team. I think it is more likely that on the night following his revealing as a RB thathis team had the kill. Then with the option of killing the basically confirmed cop or a claimed RB they shot... Darthe? a one shot vig that some were thinking might be mafia himself. If Ley was BG's teammate (japanese mafia) like I suggested then BG would not have him killed. further BG is devious enough to want to try to kill a member of the other team instead of the cop.

Turin talks about Despo's assertion that the two mafia teams alternate kills, yet leaves out the above part where Despo's other theory, in the same post, mentions recruitment.

Vote Despo

So now we know there are Symps and fake claims. ((Though that second one I think we knew before))

 

I think it would be safe to assume that there is also a Japanese Symp out there somewhere since there was a German Symp.

Can someone explain to me what a Symp is?

They are on Mafia's side but the mafia don't know who they are. They win when their team wins

 

Sometimes they can read QTs and sometimes they can get recruited (when the mafia try to nk them or as a separate action)

 

 

Oh and they know who the mafia are usually

Vote count:

 

Des 2.0 (2): Player, Kaylee

 

Not voting (8): RTE, Smiley, Random, Maw, Tress, TG, Len, Des 2.0

 

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

 

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130104T21&p0=422

 

I LURVE when mafias make it easy for me to find them. Dap and Kaylee are pretty obviously working in tandem right now. I'm not just talking about them both voting me either, Dap laid the train tracks with a mini case on me which Kaylee jumped on not too subtly, also Dap defended Kaylee a bit ago, and Kaylee bandwagoned onto the same thing Dap had already pointed out, without mentioning Dap at all in another failed attempt at trying to not look like a teammate of his. This strikes me as hilarious btw, cause Ive noticed this as a huge scumtell recently- it's like 2 people showing up to a party wearing matching "I am mafia" shirts, but trying to keep from looking eachother in the eye throughout the night in the hopes of looking like there is no connection between the two.

 

Vote Kaylee

 

She seems like the better pick between the two, after all Dap defended her (my theory is that Dap is a symp for the Japanese possibly), and that whole coloring two diff mafia teams the same color thing still bugs me.

 

Gonna try and finish my reread soon (was on page 58 when I stopped), and especially focus on the past couple of days to see if we can ferret out our remaining scum.