Am gonna PM Darthe and tell him you are Dead.

Right, when I'll be laughing at the rest of town for lynching me and losing the game. So sad that you couldn't listen to me.

Why would you be laughing at Town. Town win or lose as a Team. If we've got it wrong I won't be laughing at anyone else - I'll be blaming myself for getting it wrong. And if you are Town you got it wrong an awful lot too as we are here at LYLO with no Mafia Lynches. This Game has not been funny.

 

This makes me even sure we've got it right because if you were Town you would not be mocking the other players - you would be shutting up and waiting for your flip to validate you. This proves to me that you still have your Mafia Head on, because I don't think you would really laugh at people who were on your team.

Oh, it was so saddening an event.  They slid their pieces back in forth, the Duke now so close to check, still managing to hold off Morphy.  When the next piece was taken they despaired.  This choice would be all or nothing.  Morphy looked up, haggard face strained by the stresses of this forced competition, and stared each one of you in the eye as you pointed to the next victim.  A man by the name of Rand, on the squad with Dap.  A captain of sorts.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But he was corrupted.  The Duke laughed from his seat, the game could continue in both places.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Captain RandA l'Thor is being strung up by your group.

The lights cut out.  You have 24 hours.

 

baa

I know how the game ends.

 

http://www.chess.com/blog/Pau/the-opera-game

 

Good.

Mish ... if you are Town please take your time sending in your Action. I need to get my thoughts and stuff sorted and posted and I have shed loads to do at work.

Captain seems to be an odd Role. I cant quite figure it out:

 

From the Mafia Scum Wiki:

 

A Captain is a role who can choose what other roles in the game will do during the night, but those roles have an option to 'obey or disobey' his orders. If they obey, they will go through with the action. If they disobey, the action will not happen. The Captain is informed of what roles he has command of in his Role PM. At least 1, usually no more than 3. He only knows what the roles are, not who the roles are. Simplified, the Captain does not get results, he simply tells them what to do through the mod and those roles are faced with a YES or NO question pertaining to whether they agree with what he wants. The action typically takes place during the day as to not load down the night with awkward phasing.

 

 

 

 

If the Captain's target does not obey or disobey, a coin is flipped as to whether he will obey or disobey.

If the Captain does not action or does not choose to action (send in orders for a role) that role can action normally on their own.

In some variants, the Captain is informed when one of his target's disobeys his orders.

 

 

 

Example Usage

Say Ronald is a Mafia Captain. He has control over 2 Power Roles. Cop and Doctor. Who the players are behind those roles or what their alignments are not confirmed to him. During the day he PMs the mod with ORDERS COP TO TARGET SALLY and NO ACTION FOR DOCTOR. Instead of actioning normally the following night, the cop would be PM'd by the mod saying a captain has ordered him to target Sally. He would have the option of agreeing to them or not. The doctor would not receive orders and would be able to target whoever he liked normally.

 

Use and Power

While not as directly strong as a Bus Driver or a Redirector, the Captain plays to other strengths. If town, the ability to know who your PRs are is vital. Keeping an eye out for potential claims and protecting them during the day is a perk of the role. Also, it should go without saying that the strength of the Captain is directly proportional to the skill of the player, like a Neighborizer for instance. Being able to override a lower-skilled player's target with a superior choice of your own can go a long way to showing your towniness. Selecting proper targets that lead to real results (getting scum lynched) also goes a long way. One should also be aware that your PR might also disagree with your action resulting in a no action so the Town Captain should be mindful of any outrageous requests and probably abstain from them.

 

However as scum, you might want to make outrageous requests, like ordering the Vigilante to kill the claimed Cop. You might just get away with it. However this can always backfire, resulting in players mistrusting you. And of course the option is always there to play the "good captain" and submit good actions to your PRs, gaining their trust. This is of course up to the player.

 

The power of the Captain role depends on the setup. With less roles, it is likely to be more powerful - with more roles, less powerful. Also it depends on mod implementation. If a mod gives the Captain power over only one role, his power is reduced. However if he has power over 3 roles, his power is quite strong. Also, because the Captain can have reign over roles of either alignment, the mod should always be careful about what exactly the Captain has power over as to not come close to breaking the setup with early claims.

 

Do we think that the Captain silenced Eddie and told him he wasn't allowed to speak? Also does anyone know why Dap was referenced in Rand's death scene?

Woot! Two mafia down.

 

 

How could Rand have possibly silenced Eddie? Shouldn't there be a "Silencer" in the game then? 

 

I think Ed just went quiet on his own, he also didn't say anything about it later in the game.

It says a Captain can control other Roles. Maybe he could control Eddie and Eddie obeyed his instructions. Eddie has been shown to be Town so I don't think he would have just made something like that up. Especially as he posted fine the other days.

 

The Role also seems to say that the person being targeted by the Captain is told who they are ... hence the Crazy Order option will make them not Trusted and playing the Good Captain would make them more trusted. It also seems to be the person's choice if they obey or not. Did anyone get any orders? Am I understanding the Role correctly?

Woot! Two mafia down.

 

 

How could Rand have possibly silenced Eddie? Shouldn't there be a "Silencer" in the game then?

 

I think Ed just went quiet on his own, he also didn't say anything about it later in the game.

Posts like this really don't make me Trust you. Woot!? Possibly the worst fake thing to say ever. Especially with your odd thingy about Darthe letting you know if you have been Blocked or not. That would basically give you confirmation of another Role in the game which just sounds unlikely.

Eh I don't really care how you choose to read my message.

 

"Say Ronald is a Mafia Captain. He has control over 2 Power Roles. Cop and Doctor. Who the players are behind those roles or what their alignments are not confirmed to him. During the day he PMs the mod with ORDERS COP TO TARGET SALLY and NO ACTION FOR DOCTOR. Instead of actioning normally the following night, the cop would be PM'd by the mod saying a captain has ordered him to target Sally. He would have the option of agreeing to them or not. The doctor would not receive orders and would be able to target whoever he liked normally."

 

In the example it says that the Captain has control over Power Roles and can basically order their abilities around. So I think there should have been a sort of Silencer in the game for Ed to be really silenced.

I used the Captain role back in my Bond game (I think it was my Bond game). But I used it as a town role rather than mafia. But, yeah, a Captain controls other existing roles.

If they say NO do they forfeit their action for the Night?

 

And I said I don't really understand it.

Yeah, I used it a little different than the explanation, but the idea was the same. 

 

They were given control over another person's action if they chose to do so. In mine, they were set roles. My captain could control the Doc/Cop/Vig if they chose. They'd submit Cop -> View Ithi. Then the cop would receive a message that they had to view Ithi or nobody at all. The cop would get the viewing back, but the captain would not. 

I'm highly confused by his role, especially since no-one has reported being controlled like that. But very happy he was mafia; now we got a chance to win this. Gotta go through all the vote counts now.

 

 

Ithi; do you trust me now suddenly?

Very confusing role. My only thing is that if he could control roles, it makes you wonder which roles as no one seems to have said anything. But then maybe he could direct the Serial killer to kill himself, otherwise who did protect Rand, if he wasn't a mirror. Or did they direct Cloud to? Have you been instructed at all Cloud? What about Ley, have you been directed? 

 

It might be that he could tell them what to do ie silence someone or tell them who to vote for. 

 

@Mish - as for hinting, I would have checked with Darthe what I could say and couldn't, just to make sure. I had this given to me one night in Deep Space 9 game and ask Basel what I could say and couldn't say. I managed it in such away that people guessed I had done it without hinting or anything. Where there is a will there is a way. I certainly would not come on here and make a case for someone then vote them, just so you didn't look mafia. As for your information being more important than roles, not at all. You wanted an excuse for saying why you went for Ed, why not just back up what you had said. Of course, it would depend on what exactly Rand's role is. But then you could have worked that our between you to try and make you look more town. 

 

@Cloud, - why didn't you go for Dap, I would have said he was a good bet last night. not that I don't appreciate the sentiment. however with the way things stand I think you only have a couple of shots at doc, seen as Dap was Doc/Roleblocker, and we had a limited cop and maybe have a watcher. 

 

As a thought, if Rands role was to direct the Cop and Doc, and they only had two shots (if cloud does too). Still doesn't explain Chuckles dying, unless cloud protected Rand?

Vote Counts Time! 

 

And just when I needed it desperatley, the format boxes are back. Yayyyy! No manual coding! Expect they'll be gone within an hour again, but at least I have them right now!

 

Day 1:

 

Final Vote Count of Day 1 (Vote Count 9):

 

Cloud (1/10): Turin
Dap (2/10): Chuckles, Arez
Mish (10/10): Rand, Talya, Mish1.0, Cloud, Maw, Ithi, Ed, Dice/BG, Len, Nol
Chuckles (1/10): RTE
 
Not voting (4/18):
ruh/Mish2.0, snow/hallia, ley, dap

 

A lynch has been achieved with 8.5 hours to spare.

 

 

Day 2:

 

Day Two Final Vote Count:

 

Chuckles (2/9): RTE, Cloud

Nol (9/9): Maw, Turin, Arez, Ithi, Mish 2.0, Hally, Chuckles, Len, Talya

Maw (1/9): Nol

RTE (1/9): Dap

 

Not voting (4/17):

 Ed, Dice/BG, Rand, Ley

 

Two hours to spare. 

 

 

 

Day 3:

 

Day Three Final Vote Count:

 

RTE (1/8): Rand

Dap (1/8): Ley

Ley (1/8):  Cloud

Len (8/8): Dap, Talya, RTE, Dice/BG, Chuckles, Ithi, Turin, Hally

Talya (1/8): Len

 

Not Voting (3/15):
Ed, Mish, Arez

 

Lynch achieved with 2 hours to spare.

 

 

 

Day 4:

 

Day 4 Final Vote Count:

 

Dap (3/7): Ed, Cloud, Mish

Rand (5/7): Ithi, Turin, Dap, Chuckles, Arez

Ithi (4/7): Talya, BG, Ley, Rand

 

Not Voting (0/12):

 

 

Day 5:

Unofficial Vote Count 3:

Ley (2/5): Cloud, Ithi

Dap (1/5): Ed

Ed (5/5): Rand, Mish, Ley, Talya, BG

 

Not voting (1/9):

Dap

 

Deadline is : 31 hours

 

 

 

D6 unofficial last count:

Ley: BG,

Rand: Talya, Ithi, Mish, Cloud

 

 

Thoughts to come. Want to get this out before the coding dies or something  

Captains are tough, there's a hundred different ways they could be used, but the one constant that I know of is that they only can control existing powers and the target can choose to reject the control by sacrificing their action (or having a small % of success). So if someone was Vote Controlled or silenced, that wouldn't have been a result of the captain unless someone else specifically had that ability. That's more indicative of a mafia JoaT. Even then, if there was a VC, What's the point of captaining a team mate?

 

Cloud protected every night but last night, can someone remind me of who Dap targeted on the nights there was no NK?

I'm sure you are about to pipe in with analysis, but just looking this over, only Talya seems to stick out to me on voting record. On every lynch and started Rand's... possibly decided to bus the teammate for some good will at this point?

Dap did

 

1. Chuckles

2. Len

3. Can't remember

4. Me

5. We don't know

 

@ BG - what do you mean "Cloud protected every night but last night" Besides I want him to answer

 

so on Day 4 there were 4 Town on Rand, no wonder Rand and BG jumped on the Ithi vote. the only we don't know is Ithi, on the Rand lynch that day...hmm so BG and Ithi left as mafia...or swap Ithi with Mish

So where is Ley who he watched last night? 

Dap did

 

1. Chuckles

2. Len

3. Can't remember

4. Me

5. We don't know

 

@ BG - what do you mean "Cloud protected every night but last night" Besides I want him to answer

 

so on Day 4 there were 4 Town on Rand, no wonder Rand and BG jumped on the Ithi vote. the only we don't know is Ithi, on the Rand lynch that day...hmm so BG and Ithi left as mafia...or swap Ithi with Mish

 

I meant protected HIMSELF every night. My bad. That's been said a few times. And Ley said she watched... Cloud I believe. 

Darg, I said "she" for Ley again. Sorry Ley.

I doubt that Talya would bus as 1st Vote on a LYLO day.

 

Why would she need goodwill if she could just get someone else Lynched?

 

I don't trust you @ Mish - but now I've asked, if Day starts early I will blame you