Oh, and I checked Turin and Panchi...just quickly. I wanted to make sure they hadn't said anything about each other. (If you are mafia the chances are you have distanced yourself at some point, at least one of them) (If town and mason's then there would be no need, in fact you wouldn't want to do that at all). So I'm seriously pushing those doubts down, but I had to just check that. They didn't even mention each other. 

 

Another thought I wonder if Saruman had the ability to recruit Grima? 

 

As for who I doubt, Dap at the moment. He isn't playing his usual game, and funny how after yesterday today you would think I didn't exist. Maybe if he thought he didn't mention me I would forget about him going after me with such force. Nyn is also standing out, there doesn't seem to be much thought behind what she says, it seems fluffy silliness. I think someone said that is how she usually posts, but maybe the fluffyness is covering up for not really doing much. Tina has also gone very quiet (although I know she does have trouble with Cloudflare)

 

As I said, I think I'm a gonner tonight - make it a good scene please Rand. 

You know what? I haven´t been Cloudflared in three days now.  Although for some reason I can´t read page 32 on my phone. Only the first post. Weird. 

 

I´m reading along but is mostly waiting for a new day. Will contribute more then. 

 

To whoever asked, I can find the post where Talya hinted Treebeard but if you check out her posts you will find it. 

 

:BG'ed:

 

??

 

 

Don't worry about it.

BB replaced Ley

 Yeah that was even in my list *headdesk* must not mafia when sleepy. It's a bad idea :P And I totally meant Thorkin not Turin too *roll eyes at self*

 

@AH: I'll respond to what I can remember-

 

1. The main reason I had ever been suspicious towards Talya was the "mafia amongst all those involved" comment. Most the other stuff was just ancillary.

 

2. Not all symp's know who their teammates are. The mafia team almost never knows who the symp is. There's def still potential info in Tiink's reads, but looking too deeply into them could be bad if he didn't know his teammates.

Ok and ok

 

3. Ahh yes. Cloud's "multivote" thing? Can you explain this to me please, I don't remember a multivote thing. I remember being one of those to fos him for his joke vote that didn't really look like a joke vote at the time. Either way, my feeling towards Cloud right now is that his hammer on Darthe semi-clears him, considering that a mafioso would have been too wary of a bomb move on Darthe's part. Additionally, Darthe never really made it seem like he had any more to add. I think those that were calling on halting the train to get more out of Darthe may have been trying to get town cred.

What do you think about him adding a second vote in the joke phase? It could have been a joke, but that is also a sure-fire way to draw attention on himself and I think most mafia players would know that it would draw attention.

 

I really don't think there was anything bad about Cloud's hammer at all. You seem like you do. Interesting.

I actually don't think it was "bad" per say. Hammers are always scrutinized, and I found it odd that he's once again done something that is likely to draw attention

 

4. As for whether or not Darthe had some other part of his role that could help us, you kinda answered your own question later in your post, but I will respond anyways. Firstly, as I mentioned, if there was any other part to Darthe's role I think Rand would have told us.

Which is a good point

 

What Dap was doing during that whole exchange tho was terribly scummy I thought. He was gaming the mod outright, and guessing as to someone else's role when they couldn't confirm it or anything, so basically he was filling the thread with a whole bunch of distraction. Yes, he ended up being right about Darthe's character, but all the supposition about other elements of his role was very anti-town.

 

Moreover, I think there is something you're not thinking about regarding that whole matter. A miller is town. They're put in the game to help balance it (as in they give town a slight disadvantage). If Darthe was a miller, then he'd want to help town, but if there was any other part of his role that could have helped town in any way, he wouldn't have been pushing for his lynch so hard.

I think that it's possible that in his role there was some extra element that maybe could only be unlocked if some sort of "deal" was struck that he'd been pushed in to. Darthe was a miller, but he could have done so much more to help town I feel, such as give more of his thoughts on the other trains rather than only focusing on his own lynch. That was very weird to me and still doesn't add up in my mind, and so I think that there must be another explanation. Maybe I'm just being difficult, but that's the view of the game from where I'm sitting. 

 

I think all that whole conversation was just a way to disguise actual intentions for keeping a claimed miller around, and as Ive said many times, trying to keep a claimed miller in the game longer is an anti-town move. Dap was pushing this angle the hardest, and he had already popped on to my scumdar, which is why I have focused on him more lately.

Fair.

 

5. I am against speedlynches day 1, because day 1 is for info-gathering, and it's hard to get much info if the day flies by too quick. However, in Turin's case, when he claimed a viewing on EP, there was no harm whatsoever in speedlynching EP, and there was a lot to be gained from his flip. Not only could it have possibly bagged scum, but it could potentially vet a mason team, so kind of a 3 for 1 there.

 

And btw, I personally would rather lynch someone before they can say much at all if there's a viewing on them, because it's really just giving scum an opportunity to introduce wifom into the game. And there's very little chance that anything that they said would sway everyone's mind anyways, so really a speedlynch there didn't bother me at all.

 

I'm personally just usually against speedlynches in general because the more time we have known scum around the more time we have to possible see into their agenda. But yes, there's also WIFOM and it is annoying. D1 is for info gathering, but in my opinion all day phases should be, especially the first few. 

 

6. The reason I quoted Turin's comment about "yeah, and so many people defended him too" about Cloud was that I found it odd that Turin agreed with me about Cloud's hammer, yet at the time that others were questioning Cloud about it, Turin seemed to be against him as well. However, that's kinda moot now considering that Turin and Panchi are basically cleared.

 Turin explains that below so will address it there

 

Alright now that I've responded to all the things I remember from your post AH, can you explain to me why you've spent so much time doing all these catchup threads all game while at the same time never really putting forth any cases or strong opinions on someone else's alignment? You're another player who's behavior this game strikes me as way too careful, even your "Cloud hammer, interesting" post. Why are you playing like you got something to lose? You already have a couple marks against you, so I hope you have a good response for me.

I try to make note of anything that anyone does that stands out to me, and from that I have interactions and relationships and what everyone has said, so that if someone starts acting stranger later I can just look back. It's almost a case on everyone I suppose. Then in the tl;dr post (which I didn't do last night because I was struggling to keep my eyes open by the time I finished--which also lead to a lot of spelling mistakes >.> going to do the next one after I finish this response) I say who seems scummy to me and why and why others are less scummy etc. 

I'm just playing like I play. Honestly I don't think I'm acting as if I have something to lose; I know I'm being a bit out there and getting attention.

 

Many replacements are many.

 

Ok, time to go to work. Post incoming (once I read AH's post. Girl I think I love you but christ, your posts are confusing).

My brain works differently than most peoples? 

o.O ok loverboy go find Eowyn :P

 

 

Last one. I'm going to bed.

 

Hm. Darthe was right though. Time to analyze lynches. EP, RTE, WBK are suspect imo.

Thoughts why?

 

Is that a why me? Doesn't really matter...

 

I find it interesting that the dead SYMP picked these three names. I am wondering if it might have been some form of a signal. Tiink's follow up was pretty innocuous with his suspicion being based primarily on their positions on the Darthe train.

 

Okay I'm done. so everyone itching to post thoughts can come on down. Good Night.

 

Bumping this up so it is remembered in case I am dead in the morning.  The dead SYMP called out these three particular players. To me it stood out because I was growing suspicious of all three during the Day. RTE for his first big thoughts post(go back and take a look at that for yourself and I think you will see what I mean). Kronos for his vote on Dice but even more so for his reaction when called on it. EP for being quieter than he normally is and then also for the words used by the other suspicious people in regards to him. One of those web of trust thingys that Dap goes on about.

Noted

 

About my comment regarding Cloud and getting defense. It was not as much an indictment of him. I actually began to think that he would be town during the day as I saw more people that I am suspicious of jump on his train. The Hammer vote on Darthe put him into my null group with a slight town lean. I just wish he would stop saying the occasionally pingy thing. Anyway it was NIGHT and I didn't really want the suspicious people knowing that I was moving in another direction come day.

What is the "occasionally pingy thing" you mention here? So what did you mean to accomplish with that post?

 

Heart, I was not suspicious of you just because you wanted the Miller kept alive. It was because you were the one to introduce the bomb talk. And then the "It's a TRAP!!" post and then blatantly refusing to be the one to hammer Darthe.  Also the push against Basel was less than stellar IMO.

I explained somewhere else that I forgot that bombs are actually town (have always been mafia in my brain and I don't know why) and that was my bad, and it wasn't that I refused to be the hammer--I refused to have any part in that lynch because I thought it was a bad idea, and I said as much as it happened. I actually think I was gone from a while before the hammer took place and came back to see that everyone had jumped on, though I wouldn't have taken part in it anyway. I thought Darthe had far more to add to the game still. 

 

Other random Thoughts:

 

RTE, a reread really? You never posted your thoughts from Night one. there is something else but that requires multi quote... so in a minute.

 

Nya, join the game please. your hiding is only drawing attention to yourself.

 

Chuckles, You really have a null on RTE? (sidebar: Did Lessa ask to be replaced? I didn't see it. Wondering why she would get replaced over say Noliron? nevermind)

 

BB: come on down. Ley didn't post at all. We need more from you.

 

Okay gonna get something that bugged me yesterday. If I think up more stuff I will be back.

 

Oh, Last thing about Tiink and his posting. He used all three names (EP, RTE, Kronos) but also said that Darthe's reads were a good place to start. However if you look at Darthe's reads None of those three were listed as Mafia. Then as previously noted when questioned about why he thought those three looked bad, Tiink's response was easily put down. Sometimes Mafia will make a bad case on a teammate to create heat that can easily be put down. I still think that Kronos(who EP flat out refused to go after although mentioning him numerous times) and RTE are the best leads for this coming day.

Hmmm. That is something to look at. 

 

 

 

To whoever asked, I can find the post where Talya hinted Treebeard but if you check out her posts you will find it. 

Could you please get it for me? I didn't see it before so I feel like I'd be unlikely to see it now, and apparently it wasn't obvious to anyone else either. 

If you check on my posts in my content on my profile it shouldn't take too long to find it

actually Turin that was me making sure he was lynched just in case ure count was out.

 

Cause i know i lost count of the votes

How many people have had replacements?

*footstamp* m'not hiding, I can only make it onto the laptop late at night atm. I havent played mafia for over half a year and I'm tired and blah. Anyhoo, enough with the complaining. *attempts to employ brain*

 

 

Also noticed Nya buddying up to me a bit in her last post... when one of the last posts I remembered from her before that had said multiple times how close she had been to voting for me.

 

So saying I have to agree with you on something makes me your buddy now
Also, I just went through all my own posts and guess what, there is not a single mention of me even FoSing you. found that after all, wheee search function!
*shrug* opinions change, but I'm still undecided about you. I keep getting see-saw town/scum vibes from you :P

 

 

 

Turin seems to be working on defending Cloud..picking apart EP's "promises" from the Day before, but hey - don't things that happen at Night, or other things said tend to change people's focus in this game? Really.

I have to agree with Master Despo here, Turin really pings...

 

 

I am a mason. Panchi is my partner. I had a 1x cop view. I used it on EP. The result was NOT TOWN.

unvote. Vote EP

 

Agh, blaaaaah, what is wrong with my gut feeling these days? :[

...unless Turin and Panchi are mafia and faking it. Meh, only one way to find out.

 

Vote EP

 

 

....soooo, was that a lynch or what oorrr???

 

I give up, my brain's dead for today. Someone drag me in here first if/when I make it on the internet tomorrow!!!

 

Goodnight. *flop*

Lots of talking to get to a vote that really didn't matter. Plus the bolded is floating an idea for possible future use. Really do not like that.

 

1. The blabbering from before the last quote were other thoughts that had nothing to do with the vote.
2. I said I was quoting things that stuck out and putting in my comments as I went along, obviously your mason reveal info postumathingy convinced me to join in the vote on EP.

3. ...excuse me? Call me paranoid, but it could have been possible. Maybe, in retrospect, not something experienced players like you would do, duhh, but what if EP had not flipped scum. How would I be floating an idea for possible future use?

 

I'm really out of practice.

Ok so *rubs hands together*
 
Townish???
Turin and Panchi--the mason partners. More or less confirmed at this point, as Turin led us to Firebird. Could still be a huge gambit but 
 

Mixed read
Des and Piano--this isn’t that I don’t have any thoughts on you both, but rather that I have conflicting thoughts. I feel like the sudden tension rose between you very quickly and that it had to do with philosophies on how to deal with millars and that makes me a little hesitant, but I’m also getting the possible feeling of two townies set on each other. 
 
Talya and Tina--I remember Tina not liking Talya at first, and I can’t recall if that changed at a particular point. In the end only Des was really focusing on Talya. Talya stepped forward right away to say that she had killed Tiink, which I don’t exactly see the reason behind. Just to get less heat on her? In my opinion you don’t claim until you have a reason to. Tina apparently saw the hint post, and I’ll feel better after I see it, until then it’s possible this is just some weird gambit. 
 
Cloud--I feel like he’s put himself in places of attention a few times and then was reactive when he received said attention. A lot of people seem to be changing their minds on him but things have still been rather... Well, cloudy surrounding him. He was convinced Basel was mafia and was pushing that harder than I was. 
 
Tigriane--I’ve liked a lot of her posts when she has posted, but I feel like quite a bit of the time she’s parroting other ideas and there’s just this odd feel to it. 
 
RTE--I have a good feeling about him, but he has been parroting somewhat, and I want to know what he liked so much about my posts initially back before they confused him so. 
 

No read
 
Norilirion--need to hear more from
 
BBee--need to hear more from
 
Chuckles--need to hear more from
 
Thorkin--need to hear more from
 
 
Suspicious
 
Hallia--still posting without really saying anything
 
Peace--something feels off about... well firstly the role cop thing. Not sure why but that felt strange to me. And then I feel like he’s been posting a lot but I can’t remember a whole lot from his posts and it’s like he’s managing to stay at the edge of my radar and it’s making me suspicious. Was the first to try put the Cloud hammer in a scummy light. 
 
BG--I feel like he’s not posting as much as he did back in my time and he’s kind of flying under everyone’s radar. He really pushed for the Darthe lynch early on
 
Nyan--I know she can’t be on very much, but the few times she has been here and said she was caught up she still didn’t have any thoughts to share. To use Des’ phasing, she’s playing like she has “something to lose.”
 
Kronos--seemed to buddy up to Darthe at one point in my opinion, Basel didn’t like him. I feel like he’s been answering questions asked him but not offering any thoughts on his own. I also see where Turin is coming from in his thoughts on Kronos
 
Dice-- “so Darthe if we lynch Basel and he flips town are you volunteering to be nice” just intresting that they’re both dead town now, and he’s also been off my radar though I remember him posting.

For AH...

 

 

I think that is a common tell.

I'm really surprised to see others, other than me, bring up the third voter theory considering its been a bogus joke theory since I started it a year or so ago to get reactions. People it's bogus.

 

funny, that I remember it from games years ago, still it doesn't mean too much at all, if anything it probably was more apt back then. 

 

I'm starting to get the feeling the Cloud train is losing steam. I'm going to switch to my second choice. Unvote, vote Talya.

 

It hasn't been going anywhere for ages, and now you only notice. 

 

Despo, if you read what I said later, I said I didn't think Cloud was town, so it applies to the whole thing. I didn't go for anyone, because at the time that was the only thing that had happened. Those who thought they KNEW who mafia were were lying (unless on their team). I waited to see what came out of it all. You and Dap are going to be disappointed in the result when my lynch comes. Ho hum. 

 

 

I'm not sure what you meant by you didn't get it. (not the hint) but the stuff I said. I'm now vanilla, so what was the point. Plus I had Desp, Dap and EP on my case, everyone else was adding me to the mix, because there were sheep and following along. So I got it out there to save wasting a day of back and forth and then having to reveal.

 

This was my role (in case you didn't get it last time) - Send a name each night to find Saruman, when I did find him I would then have 25% chance of killing him, but either way I would then know who he was and could have revealed it the next day...simples. 

 

Funny that EP said he would go after Me or Kronos in the night, RTE and Tigs said exactly the same but about Cloud and Basel. Basel is gone. Haven't seen them come out after cloud. Haven't seen much of Tigs. 

Okay, time to jump in here. I'm sorry for my tardiness. No could excuse save for being at work all week.

 

 

Ok so *rubs hands together*
 
Townish???
Turin and Panchi--the mason partners. More or less confirmed at this point, as Turin led us to Firebird. Could still be a huge gambit but 
 

Mixed read
Des and Piano--this isn’t that I don’t have any thoughts on you both, but rather that I have conflicting thoughts. I feel like the sudden tension rose between you very quickly and that it had to do with philosophies on how to deal with millars and that makes me a little hesitant, but I’m also getting the possible feeling of two townies set on each other. 
 
Talya and Tina--I remember Tina not liking Talya at first, and I can’t recall if that changed at a particular point. In the end only Des was really focusing on Talya. Talya stepped forward right away to say that she had killed Tiink, which I don’t exactly see the reason behind. Just to get less heat on her? In my opinion you don’t claim until you have a reason to. Tina apparently saw the hint post, and I’ll feel better after I see it, until then it’s possible this is just some weird gambit. 
 
Cloud--I feel like he’s put himself in places of attention a few times and then was reactive when he received said attention. A lot of people seem to be changing their minds on him but things have still been rather... Well, cloudy surrounding him. He was convinced Basel was mafia and was pushing that harder than I was. 
 
Tigriane--I’ve liked a lot of her posts when she has posted, but I feel like quite a bit of the time she’s parroting other ideas and there’s just this odd feel to it. 
 
RTE--I have a good feeling about him, but he has been parroting somewhat, and I want to know what he liked so much about my posts initially back before they confused him so. 
 

No read
 
Norilirion--need to hear more from
 
BBee--need to hear more from
 
Chuckles--need to hear more from
 
Thorkin--need to hear more from
 
 
Suspicious
 
Hallia--still posting without really saying anything
 
Peace--something feels off about... well firstly the role cop thing. Not sure why but that felt strange to me. And then I feel like he’s been posting a lot but I can’t remember a whole lot from his posts and it’s like he’s managing to stay at the edge of my radar and it’s making me suspicious. Was the first to try put the Cloud hammer in a scummy light. 
 
BG--I feel like he’s not posting as much as he did back in my time and he’s kind of flying under everyone’s radar. He really pushed for the Darthe lynch early on
 
Nyan--I know she can’t be on very much, but the few times she has been here and said she was caught up she still didn’t have any thoughts to share. To use Des’ phasing, she’s playing like she has “something to lose.”
 
Kronos--seemed to buddy up to Darthe at one point in my opinion, Basel didn’t like him. I feel like he’s been answering questions asked him but not offering any thoughts on his own. I also see where Turin is coming from in his thoughts on Kronos
 
Dice-- “so Darthe if we lynch Basel and he flips town are you volunteering to be nice” just intresting that they’re both dead town now, and he’s also been off my radar though I remember him posting.

 

This is a very good post as it helps to catch up on things. When was the discussion about Millers?

 

Also, could there possibly be other mason groups?

 

Some bad words and gore, PG-13 pretty much.

 

The Fellowship walked, and walked, and walked some more.  They also rode, and strolled, and hiked, and eventually... were halfway to Rohan.

 

No one has died, it is now Day 3.

 

Official Vote Count:

 

Not Voting (20): Turin, Peace, Nya, AH, Noli, RTE, Hally, Tina, Dap, Cloud, Ley, BG, Lessa, Tigs, Pank, Talya, WBK, Dice, Despo, Thorkin

 

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

 

Deadline: http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130601T19&p0=803&msg=Lord+of+the+Rings+Mafia+Day+3

Nice!

EP was mafia. I think he was over protective of Kronos.

 

Vote Kronos

 

 

Thork, AH's post is only full of HER opinions. Be careful of following anyone too much. Just because someone is town doesn't mean they are right.

Oh and there is nothing to guarantee that AH is in fact town.

 

Hallia, What are your thoughts on the mafia?

Gimme just two shakes of a lambs tail to throw this laundry in and I'll bust out my findings.

For AH...

 

 

I think that is a common tell.

 

I'm really surprised to see others, other than me, bring up the third voter theory considering its been a bogus joke theory since I started it a year or so ago to get reactions. People it's bogus.

 

funny, that I remember it from games years ago, still it doesn't mean too much at all, if anything it probably was more apt back then. 

 

I'm starting to get the feeling the Cloud train is losing steam. I'm going to switch to my second choice. Unvote, vote Talya.

 

It hasn't been going anywhere for ages, and now you only notice. 

 

Despo, if you read what I said later, I said I didn't think Cloud was town, so it applies to the whole thing. I didn't go for anyone, because at the time that was the only thing that had happened. Those who thought they KNEW who mafia were were lying (unless on their team). I waited to see what came out of it all. You and Dap are going to be disappointed in the result when my lynch comes. Ho hum. 

 

 

I'm not sure what you meant by you didn't get it. (not the hint) but the stuff I said. I'm now vanilla, so what was the point. Plus I had Desp, Dap and EP on my case, everyone else was adding me to the mix, because there were sheep and following along. So I got it out there to save wasting a day of back and forth and then having to reveal.

 

This was my role (in case you didn't get it last time) - Send a name each night to find Saruman, when I did find him I would then have 25% chance of killing him, but either way I would then know who he was and could have revealed it the next day...simples. 

 

Funny that EP said he would go after Me or Kronos in the night, RTE and Tigs said exactly the same but about Cloud and Basel. Basel is gone. Haven't seen them come out after cloud. Haven't seen much of Tigs. 

Ah oks. Yeah totally missed that as a hint. Ho hum and I'm more likely to think of Garfield :P

 

I suppose I understand you wanting to avoid the cases on you building, but at the same time that felt a tad premature as a reveal. 

 

And I got the role--it was in my skittles list. I think I forgot to add the "now a vanilla" to that though... *fixes for next post*

 

Interesting observation...

How long does it take a lamb to shake its tail once?

:D

Oh look there's another page.

 

And it's day now!!!

[insert my post]

This is a very good post as it helps to catch up on things. When was the discussion about Millers?

 

Also, could there possibly be other mason groups?

It would be better for you to do your own read--you might see something that I missed. 

 

EP was mafia. I think he was over protective of Kronos.

 

Vote Kronos

 

 

Thork, AH's post is only full of HER opinions. Be careful of following anyone too much. Just because someone is town doesn't mean they are right.

Oh and there is nothing to guarantee that AH is in fact town.

 

Hallia, What are your thoughts on the mafia?

That was an interesting slip... 

I could switch to Kronos, but for now I'm going to Vote Dice based off of what I summerized above and a feeling

Rereading, this was staring me in the face.  How did no one notice Despo?

 

Quick thoughts, I'll try to add more later on:

 

Darthe's Miller claim: I think BG was saying it's either you telling the truth and that you're a miller, or you're lying and most likely mafia, so it's sorta a 50/50 situation, assuming we can't trust or distrust you. I think you (Darthe) were jumping the gun a bit by saying he had the percentages wrong, when you knew what he was basically saying. That being said, I also don't like BG's idea of "just speedlynch Darthe cause losing a miller isn't as bad as losing a vanilla". While technically true, we really shouldn't speedlynch ANYONE day 1, as that removes chances to get mas info for the rest of the game. Day 1 is for info gathering. I realize he never said speedlynch, but his immediate vote and stated reasons kinda imply he'd be cool with that. So basically, I don't really wanna touch Darthe's early claim atm, and slight FOS on BG.

 

I really don't like this quick train that's building on Basel. His vote didn't really stand out that odd to me at all, and there were a few others who cast votes on Cloud that aren't getting any attention really. Might be an opportunistic mafia vote on his train. I also really like what he said recently bout the Cloud "joke vote". A joke vote is usually just silliness alone, don't usually see them reference someone else's case, unless they put "case" in joke quotation marks or something.

 

Strong FOS @ Dice for his "so if we lynch player X and they're town, you okay with being lynched the next day?" comment. Extremely manipulative and attempting to direct future lynches.

 

AH why Basel, because I can't see how his comment is pinging for you. Nor why it is the best way to go. 

 

Cloud's businees looks like people trying to jump on something and nothing and then we bring in  other games. Probably mafia amongst all those involved.

 

This however, is prob the strongest ping for me so far in the game (although I have been skimming somewhat due to time constraints). Underlined emphasis mine btw. Just a really really scummy line. Throwing out generic "some mafia are probably involved in this discussion" just reeks of trying to stir the pot while not clearly coming down on one side of a discussion.

 

Unvote, Vote Talya

Now knowing that Tal is town, he happily follows EP on the voting for her, tunneling pretty exclusively.

^^^^ makes me feel even better about my vote on Talya

Continues

Ok..back from cloudflare hell. 

 

Quick thoughts on my first scum/town impressions.  These aren't strong reads..just after a very fast catch up on the game.

 

Town:

BG

Darthe

Cloud

 

Scum:

EP

Talya

Dice

I see I'm not the only one  

Just tried catching up really quick, was skimming tho so I'll have to reread tomorrow.

 

AH and Dice have def risen up my scumdar. Still think the case on Basel is weak. Ignoring Darthe's claim cause he tends to always wanna make day 1 just about him if he has some kind of juicy role, it's an EP-like move that I don't like so I'm putting it aside for now. Quit bringing it up Darthe.

 

I still think Talya's "there's prob mafia amongst all those involved" is EASILY the biggest ping of the game. Really surprised there isn't more heat on her.

Nudging on Tal still

What up Tiink!

 

I'm still abreast of this game, will add some more detailed thoughts later but catching up on the other gigantic mafia game I'm in fried my brain a bit.

 

I still think more of you should look at Talya.

More of the same

 

 

Darthe you are being very annoying

Not even annoying, a tool

This.

And I have seen a lot that intrigued me so far incidentally, guess you haven't been paying attention. Talya is still highest on my scumdar, once I get finished playing l4d I'll make a more detailed case on her

 

The bolded below shows Despo defending EP while trying to remain neutral.

 

 

VOTE EP 

 

Just because...

 

Comes in with a "joke vote" on EP. Not a fan of joke votes on EP, since he's such an easy player to get lynched because of his playstyle, and a mafioso on his lynch early can jump off after it picks up steam and claim they were joke voting, and try to buy townie cred that way. Not saying I think EP is town btw

 

 

 

Now this quote has been brought up a few times by others, and Talya has tried maintaining recently that she wasn't defending Basel... just freaking read the quote. She isn't just asking AH for reasoning, she outright says she doesn't think Basel's comment pings. That's defending mate. Please don't turn this into a squibbling match about what is and isn't defending.

 

The biggest reason why I think Talya is scum however, is the part in bold. Here's how I read that statement.

 

"There's a bunch of people arguing over something inconsequential. There could be mafia on either side."

 

Talya, if this isn't what you meant, let me know. But for now it looks like you were just casting out a generic "there's prob mafia out there guys" statement that is just trying to be as neutral as possible.

 

If you thought mafia was pushing the Cloud vote not being a joke vote angle, you wouldn't have said "amongst ALL those involved". Just looks like you were trying to look like you were scumhunting without actually committing to anything.

 

And this jives right along with your tendency to defend just about anyone that gets in the limelight this game, you don't want to actually come out in support of a lynch that ends up bagging a townie, so you'd rather try to earn townie cred instead.

 

Why go after Darthe...I get that he could well be mafia, but there is a good chance he is telling the truth. Either way he is out there and we know. He slips up and we can see it. 

 

Defends Darthe, and I don't like the "he is out there and we know".... we DON'T know yet tho. We can only speculate. Could just be poor choice of words tho.

 

@ Tina, What has that got to do with it, I didn't think much of her reasoning.

 

 

 

Ah, well, the opening post was a garbled mess when I saw it. And I wouldn't expect him to claim anyway. I'm just saying a third party miller claim would be a great fake claim even if he weren't mafia. 

 

He could well be, but I would rather go for Mafia than go for third party at this stage. There is another option for Miller (and a town one)...if you think about it you might get there. 

 

You do seem to be pushing hard on this. 

 

Now, I have never said that I didn't think we should lynch a claimed Miller. I just didn't wanna speedlynch day 1. Imo, the perfect setup for today would have been to get pressure on a few people, get some info, then lynch Darthe right before the deadline, as that wifom just won't go away. Talya on the other hand, seems to not want to go for him at all for now. The only players that would benefit from a miller sticking around for a while is mafia, really.

 

@ Turin, When I read it it looked like a joke, I didn't see it as anything else. When people jumped on it I didn't see what they saw about it. However it doesn't mean I think Cloud is town. Heck, I would love to lynch him just for the Doc claim in the last game. I just saw something different from others. This game would be pretty boring if we all saw the same thing. 

 

Mafia straight up DON'T joke vote. Even if they think it's a joke vote, it's not, cause there is some kind of reason that they voted that person instead of just not "joke voting: at all.

 

Therefore, imo if you're defending Cloud's vote as a joke vote, you are basically thinking it unlikely that he's mafia at that point. And besides, why would you defend someone if you still thought they could be scum? The only people I EVER defend are people that I have townish reads on.

 

 

EBWOP, further note to Talya: it would have been more effective if you had chosen one or the other between defending me or attacking the case on Cloud. Doing both at once just comes off as awkward and contradictory, like you want to have your cake and eat it too.

 

don't know what EBWOP, don't like acronyms... :p however, not defending you and that you have jumped on the bandwagon in thinking I have makes you look like you are trying to jump on what others have said to get a lynch. I didn't choose to do either, I saw how things were. I asked AH to explain her 'ping' tis all...Couldn't see what she was getting at. So at the moment I'm suspicious of you in fact. 

 

 

Even Basel himself questions why you defended him, and suddenly you're suspicious of him?

 

 

 

 

The only thing that caught my eye about Tina, was her bit where she said something similar to knowing Cloud was joking, at the end of the day, it's all about perception and you can't know how someone meant something only your interpretation. I'm hesitant on anything else, because at one point in games I always found her actions mafia and she was town, so a little cautious. I've been like that with Hally lately as well. 

 

As for people saying I'm sitting on the fence a bit, I find AH's statement on Cloud to be exactly that. Leaving something open if she wishes to choose and to say she thought something was there. I still found her vote on Basel a little over the top. There really didn't seem that much in her post and to suddenly say we would get most info from him...this I could understand after a couple of trains had gotten going, everyone had been chipping in, but they haven't. Then she brings me into that info...I see it as a bit of leap this early on day 1. 

 

Basel grabbing the idea I was defending him, because I asked for more from AH, made him look odd to me, he was really pushing it. (that's how it came across). 

 

Do we have a vote count, I can't remember who has what votes...

 

We need more people to join in...

 

 

The thing she brings up about AH in the second paragraph is deflecting, she never explains how she wasn't fence sitting, instead just chooses to try directing focus on AH's fence sitting. Not a good defense imo.

 

I didn't defend anyone though. I might not think that someone is the way to go at that time, or quite a few people at that point. But based on that Train (or whatever you want to call it) I didn't think there was enough info to say who was town or who was mafia, so I let it roll. I wouldn't (on just that train) go for any of them. It was Basel's reaction afterwards and the way he jumped on what other people had said, how he protested that I was defending him so much, go back and read it...You can hear feigned indignation in his post. 

 

Never defended anyone? Riiiight.

 

And I never saw Basel protesting that you were defending him so much, that seems like you are greatly exaggerating a situation. Just because he thought it odd that you defended him as well as himself doesn't mean he was indignantly protesting your defense...

 

I was wrong in thinking you hadn't gotten much attention, a few have cased you this game, however not that many were voting you a bit ago.

 

All the stuff I laid out, as well as general sensitivity you have show in response to some cases against you, as well as your omgus flip flop on Basel, all tells me we might have bagged scum day 1.

 

Vote Talya yall

 

Bet they didn't plan on her being revealed as town so quickly.

I also wanna point out that Ley has yet to check in, after a whole day we really should be either trying to poke him or replace him or something.

 

Thorkin has posted once so far.

 

Dice has posted vurrrrrry little actual game content lately, worrisome considering that he was starting to pop on multiple people's radars (including mine).

 

Nolirion and Hally have also posted too little for me to really recall anything of there's, so it would be nice to hear from them a bit more too.

 

 

Other than that, my scum list for now is:

 

Talya

Dap

Dice

 

Got pretty strong reads on those, and a fair number of others on my scumdar.

 

AIMITTN, I got something a bit juicy I think.

Two of the people on his scum list are town.

 

 

You say it was obviously meant for consolidation however there were others here waiting for answers from him, if you were caught up up to that point you should have seen that. There were those not voting him yet posting, you could have left it to one of them to throw the hammer. Yet you hammer him say nothing about it being for consolidation and leave. That is why people suspect you because of your hammer.

This is my case on cloud

 

I know I'm town. I can't easily find your quotes as I'm on ny phone. I believe there was a point that you talked about be willing to lynch either talya or Kronos and that you preferred talya. If I can get my WiFi working I will try to find it.

You have again sidestepped the main question tho. What is your case on Cloud and why are you now pushing his lynch? It looks to me like you just flat out do not now want to see Kronos lynched. Why?

I had more on Talya than I do on Kronos, I only have like one or two comments from kronos that were iffy. Stop twisting my shit. I didn't say I preffered Cloud over Kronos I'd push either or. Why do you want Kronos so bad? Tunneling?

 

I'm leaning Kronos as the possible third mafia.  He and EP both mention they think he could be scummy, and that they're going to do a case on him, but they never quite get around to doing it.

 

 

Vote DaPianoPlayer

 

Little minicase on him inc

Starts to build cases on another townie

 

EP, noce "case" on cloud

You say you had more on Talya than you did on Kronos. In fact that it was only one or two comments. So why did you keep mentioning him over and over? Your current stance indicates that you are not willing to support his lynch.

I will see your charge of tunnelling and raise you distancing and now I think we are into the category of defending.

 

Never once said anything contrary to my belief that Kronos is a good way to go you keep harping that I have contradicted myself when infact I havent, my case on Kronos is flimsy at best it's more a gut feeling, can't really run up a train on a gut feeling, no one will follow you.

 

My case on cloud is more how he tried to explain his hammer when he logged in as opposed to the hammer itself, had he left it as is I'd have no suspicions right now towards him, but the way he tried to sxplain indepth that it was just a last minute consolidation vote when there were others that could have given the hammer vote on at the time

 

 

I wasn't near the end, I was mid vote, I didn't know the deadline was so much later than when i moved I never clicked the link

I would have pushed a harder case on Talya or WBK if I had realized I had that much time

My laziness bit me in the ass

I will be pushing both Talya and WBK come day see what happens

bold added

Well you did push Talya for a while but when that fell apart you switched to... Cloud. So that is an undelivered promise.

 

 

Not so I still said Kronos is a way to go, when I looked at my reasonings though I realised all I really have on him is a gut feeling. Like I said above, hard to get people to follow a gut feeling.

 

 

I thought the deadline was this morning, I never actually clicked the link lol my bad. Didn't mean to start a mad dash hours ahead of schedule.

I'd still be better with a Talya or Kronos lynch

no cloud. I even ask him about cloud in the very next post but he never bites.

 

 

At that time I didn't have suspicion on Cloud.

 

I guess this is part of your Kronos case. could be something could be nothing. interesting that you bring it up and then explain it away in the same sentence.

 

We won't get into grammar nuances in this game, it was a here is what he said it could be read one way or the other.

 

Turin the fact that you are really harping on me over not pushing Kronos harder when I'm really not pushing anyone is very suspect. My current list is Kronos Cloud and Turin in no specific order. I mean I'm voting myself here guy, I'll give you thoughts all day but when it comes down to it you will have to put yourself on the board with your own stance. Stop waiting for other people to make cases and make your own. My reason for wanting Kronos lynched is solely a gut feeling. My reason for Cloud is his over explanation and fumbling of his explanation while doing it. My reason for Turin is because all he is doing is asking other people for their thoughts on people instead of giving thoughts that can be pinned to him.

 

More of the same, mentioning him to alleviate suspicion when he flips mafia?

Vote Despo

Official Vote Count:

 

Kronos(1): Turin

Dice(1): Heart

Despo(1): Hally

 

Not Voting (17): Peace, Nya, Noli, RTE, Tina, Dap, Cloud, Ley, BG, Lessa, Tigs, Pank, Talya, WBK, Dice, Despo, Thorkin

 

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

 

L-10

 

Deadline: http://www.timeandda...ngs Mafia Day 3

vote tina

 

Day 3 already, lurkers are annoying

Your case is pretty weak hal, you even say that despo cases another townie (dap) and when he made his list, he coudnt have known they were town, so I don't understand your case

Mmm... I actually like Hallys case. I can see. patterns of setting up future lynches in Despo s words, plus I see some minor evidence of working in tandem with EP on who they were casing.