Seriously. Mynd was the one who issued a stupid challenge. He is now essentially vt. Why.make Ithi and the town pay for his foul up?

 

Mynd, take your own advice and vote yourself.

Turin - your spelling is awful when you rush.

 

That's a stop light post if ever I saw one lol.

 

Bad man.

Break over. Driving again now. More later.

I have a problem with Mynd's latest posts.

 

1. Again assuming that there is only one vt.

2. Ithi's alignment doesn't tell us Turin's.

3. "We can play a more honest geme without you..." Really?

 

I think that some stuff are boardering getting too personal right now.

 

3.  Tina, by Turin's own admission (and the agreement of others) Turin always sees Ithi as town no matter what.  He will follow her in whatever she does.  Haven't you played in games with them before?

 

2.  I agree, that Ithi's alignment won't confirm Turin, but it does help.  It gives us a lot more information than my lynch would.  Agree?

 

1.  I am not confirming that there is only one VT, but I find it highly unlikely that a game advertised as Role Madness would have more than one.  That wasn't just my own opinion, there was a whole back and forth with BFG when he claimed as well.

 

Also....

 

Mynd, csarmi, hallia gfy.

 

I have an idea. Mynd claims to be town. We lynch him hallia let's him for. Then he fan replace if needed.

 

Personally, I think the mods will still be looking.

 

...would you rather play in a game where two of the players take a "GFY" attitude?

 

I've claimed.  I've admitted I made a mistake with the Gladiator move.  Ithi and Turin are working together.  I still find Thane's claim unlikely, but not impossible. 

 

I think playing this game without Ithi would be easier on all of us, especially Turin in that he won't be blindly believing Ithi is town no matter what.

Know who STOPPED posting after the challenge?

Chae, Thane, and X... *cue dramatic music*

Maybe he's Mafia ...

 

I know I'm Town.

 

Mynd certainly seems to believe that Turin is Town.

What is "GFY" - I can only think of two meanings, and one is NOT PG-13...

Yup that's the one.

 

Is anyone else getting the feeling that Mynd really wants me out of this Game. Even if I'm Town.

 

And I never said the Rule 14 letters - so there's only 1 person who did that and not two.

 

 

I have a problem with Mynd's latest posts.

 

1. Again assuming that there is only one vt.

2. Ithi's alignment doesn't tell us Turin's.

3. "We can play a more honest geme without you..." Really?

 

I think that some stuff are boardering getting too personal right now.

3. Tina, by Turin's own admission (and the agreement of others) Turin always sees Ithi as town no matter what. He will follow her in whatever she does. Haven't you played in games with them before?

 

2. I agree, that Ithi's alignment won't confirm Turin, but it does help. It gives us a lot more information than my lynch would. Agree?

 

1. I am not confirming that there is only one VT, but I find it highly unlikely that a game advertised as Role Madness would have more than one. That wasn't just my own opinion, there was a whole back and forth with BFG when he claimed as well.

 

Also....

Mynd, csarmi, hallia gfy.

 

I have an idea. Mynd claims to be town. We lynch him hallia let's him for. Then he fan replace if needed.

 

Personally, I think the mods will still be looking.

...would you rather play in a game where two of the players take a "GFY" attitude?

 

I've claimed. I've admitted I made a mistake with the Gladiator move. Ithi and Turin are working together. I still find Thane's claim unlikely, but not impossible.

 

I think playing this game without Ithi would be easier on all of us, especially Turin in that he won't be blindly believing Ithi is town no matter what.

Please explain what you mean by the above

 

You state that me and Turin are working together.

 

You also state that Turin is blindly believing I am Town. Therefore you must believe that Turin is Town.

 

If you believe that Turin is Town and I'm working with him then you must also believe I am Town.

 

But I've already said I'm not in communication with Turin about this game.

 

 

Please also explain where I've had a Rule 14 attitude to the Game.

 

 

 

Is this like the time you said I was getting personal and yet failed to provide any quotes to show it?

 

 

Do you think I am Mafia @ Mynd?

 

 

But I don't see where my questioning the Irene Adler claim drew such a reaction.  Such a co-hesive reaction among two players. 

 

Ithi and Turin are working together.  There are only two ways they could be working together legally in this game.  Masons or Mafia.  I suspect the latter and a lynch on Ithi will either LOCKCLEAR Turin or prove he is scum as well.  I am in no way implying that they are doing anything illegal, just very disturbing mafia game play.

 

dude its ithi and turin. shrugs   its always like that. No matter what team they are on.

 

 

How is that an excuse?  That actually hurts the town more than anything.  If Turin will always see Ithi as town, then when she's scum, he's useless and a distraction.

 

 

Is it optimal? No. But I can often pick Turin when he is scum due to ithi being in the game. I know turin can pick ithi as mafia too. I have trouble picking Ithi as mafia but Town ithi is easy. This for eg is a slightly dialed down version.The sudden turn and hardcore dont give up push  thats town ithi.

 

 

 

 

ok, skimming is bad: i missed BFG's claim there. Seeing it's a hard claim, i will give you my name too: i'm Irene Adler. And i'm still town.

 

Could it be Two townies in a game? Or is it IMPOSSIBLE to have 2 VT's in a role madness game? After all, it's the mod who gives out roles to his/her liking. I seriously get the feeling that everybody plays 'how it was and how it should be' instead of 'what are the real possibilities'.

 

I'm terribly sorry, but there is no FRIGGEN way that Irene Alder is vanilla town.  Oh quite the contrary.

 

second bolded is perfect example for first bolded....

 

 

Sure, it is possible that a game built around the Sherlock Holmes mythology would have Irene Adler as a vanilla town, but it is also possible that the sun will explode today.  It is very unlikely, but it might. 

 

Claiming to be Irene Adler in a Sherlock Mafia game is the equivalent of claiming to be Catwoman in a Batman mafia game.  There is too much history between her and Mr. Holmes for her to be vanilla town.  She is either scum or some kind of third party character. 

 

She would be a terrible fake claim as well. 

 

So yeah, there is nothing wrong with playing on how it should be or supposed to be AND playing what is possible......but to use the good detectives own words,

 

When you eliminate the impossible, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truth.

 

...and now my follow-up to that would be, sort information into likely and unlikely using logic.  Go with the choice that seems most logical because it likely is the truth.

 

 

Here you say Irene Adler CANNOT BE VT.

 

 

Where's the irony?

 

Why are you mixing up char claims with role claims?

 

Also my wiki said that character only appears in one work (bohemian stuff) and is mentioned in passing at a few places as Holmes would be admiring her. Why that would fix her char to a role, I dunno.

 

As for your WoT example... I wouldn't hesitate to make Lanfear vanilla town in my game.

 

Its the same reasoning. Many of us have ruled you out (for now) because of your miller claim.  I am ruling Thane likely scum more because Irene Adler is a likely scum character.

 

It is possible for Irene Adler to be vanilla town, but unlikely.  Sure, based on what happens with Lanfear, I can see her as VT, but Graendal was clearly not so much.  In Holmes mythology, Adler was one of his greatest adversaries.  What is the point of having a themed game if it isn't based on the mythology?

 

So, it is unlikely that Irene Adler is VT.

 

I'm a huge fan of Sherlock Holmes, but I had to look up my char as well. 

 

 

Here you say Irene Adler is likely a scum character.

 

 

I read the wiki too - it don't say anything about her being a major adversary. She had an affair with some prince and he hired Holmes to get a compromising photo - but she outwitted him and left a photo of herself there.

 

Which was the only thing he asked for in payment for the job.

 

He admires her and she's apparently the only woman he had feelings for.

 

Maybe her role got sexed up for some tv show or film.

 

A long time ago, some guy named Sir Arthur Conan Doyle wrote a wiki about Holmes too, but in paper form.  In that text, her character was not only far from vanilla, but had an extensive history with Holmes.  It is unlikely that she would be vanilla town.

 

 

i disagree with this far from vanilla rubbish. The prince is the scum in that story. Adler is smart enough to get by Holmes and decent enough to point out she wasn't gonna use anything against the prince. That doesn't sound like a scum type character unless its like the scooby game where good guys are the mafia. actually seems like a good description of a Vanilla to me

 

 

I don't say anywhere that she's a bad woman though. Just a clever woman. She didn't even drop the arrogant prince bloke in it. All she did was not get done over by some guy and went on to live her life.

 

I see you still trying to spin it though.

 

Your posts are mostly fluff and repetition of other folk's points of view. The only thing I would make of your posts is that you trying to be clever and nudge and push towards Thane.

 

Who do you think are likely Town and who do you think are likely Mafia at the moment and why?

 

Why did you initially vote Thane and not X when you said the Thane case was weak and Turin and Tsuki had been better at finding mafia?

 

I didn't say Irene Adler was scum, I said she is not likely a vanilla townie.  I don't buy his claim, but I voted him long before that was an issue.

 

I said YOUR case was weak. 

 

What do you know about how Thane will flip that the rest of us don't?

 

 

Blue  I direct your attention to the 3rd multiquote in this post. The Blue bolded specifically. 

 

Wanna tell me what you didnt do again?

 

 

...would you rather play in a game where two of the players take a "GFY" attitude?

 

.

 

 

explain why i should want to play more with someone who repeatedly calls people Rabid?

 

 

 

 

 

But I don't see where my questioning the Irene Adler claim drew such a reaction.  Such a co-hesive reaction among two players. 

 

Ithi and Turin are working together.  There are only two ways they could be working together legally in this game.  Masons or Mafia.  I suspect the latter and a lynch on Ithi will either LOCKCLEAR Turin or prove he is scum as well.  I am in no way implying that they are doing anything illegal, just very disturbing mafia game play.

 

dude its ithi and turin. shrugs   its always like that. No matter what team they are on.

 

 

How is that an excuse?  That actually hurts the town more than anything.  If Turin will always see Ithi as town, then when she's scum, he's useless and a distraction.

 

 

Is it optimal? No. But I can often pick Turin when he is scum due to ithi being in the game. I know turin can pick ithi as mafia too. I have trouble picking Ithi as mafia but Town ithi is easy. This for eg is a slightly dialed down version.The sudden turn and hardcore dont give up push  thats town ithi.

 

 

 

 

ok, skimming is bad: i missed BFG's claim there. Seeing it's a hard claim, i will give you my name too: i'm Irene Adler. And i'm still town.

 

Could it be Two townies in a game? Or is it IMPOSSIBLE to have 2 VT's in a role madness game? After all, it's the mod who gives out roles to his/her liking. I seriously get the feeling that everybody plays 'how it was and how it should be' instead of 'what are the real possibilities'.

 

I'm terribly sorry, but there is no FRIGGEN way that Irene Alder is vanilla town.  Oh quite the contrary.

 

second bolded is perfect example for first bolded....

 

 

Sure, it is possible that a game built around the Sherlock Holmes mythology would have Irene Adler as a vanilla town, but it is also possible that the sun will explode today.  It is very unlikely, but it might. 

 

Claiming to be Irene Adler in a Sherlock Mafia game is the equivalent of claiming to be Catwoman in a Batman mafia game.  There is too much history between her and Mr. Holmes for her to be vanilla town.  She is either scum or some kind of third party character. 

 

She would be a terrible fake claim as well. 

 

So yeah, there is nothing wrong with playing on how it should be or supposed to be AND playing what is possible......but to use the good detectives own words,

 

When you eliminate the impossible, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truth.

 

...and now my follow-up to that would be, sort information into likely and unlikely using logic.  Go with the choice that seems most logical because it likely is the truth.

 

 

Here you say Irene Adler CANNOT BE VT.

 

 

Where's the irony?

Why are you mixing up char claims with role claims?

Also my wiki said that character only appears in one work (bohemian stuff) and is mentioned in passing at a few places as Holmes would be admiring her. Why that would fix her char to a role, I dunno.

As for your WoT example... I wouldn't hesitate to make Lanfear vanilla town in my game.

 

Its the same reasoning. Many of us have ruled you out (for now) because of your miller claim.  I am ruling Thane likely scum more because Irene Adler is a likely scum character.

 

It is possible for Irene Adler to be vanilla town, but unlikely.  Sure, based on what happens with Lanfear, I can see her as VT, but Graendal was clearly not so much.  In Holmes mythology, Adler was one of his greatest adversaries.  What is the point of having a themed game if it isn't based on the mythology?

 

So, it is unlikely that Irene Adler is VT.

 

I'm a huge fan of Sherlock Holmes, but I had to look up my char as well. 

 

 

Here you say Irene Adler is likely a scum character.

 

 

I read the wiki too - it don't say anything about her being a major adversary. She had an affair with some prince and he hired Holmes to get a compromising photo - but she outwitted him and left a photo of herself there.

Which was the only thing he asked for in payment for the job.

He admires her and she's apparently the only woman he had feelings for.

Maybe her role got sexed up for some tv show or film.

 

A long time ago, some guy named Sir Arthur Conan Doyle wrote a wiki about Holmes too, but in paper form.  In that text, her character was not only far from vanilla, but had an extensive history with Holmes.  It is unlikely that she would be vanilla town.

 

 

i disagree with this far from vanilla rubbish. The prince is the scum in that story. Adler is smart enough to get by Holmes and decent enough to point out she wasn't gonna use anything against the prince. That doesn't sound like a scum type character unless its like the scooby game where good guys are the mafia. actually seems like a good description of a Vanilla to me

 

 

I don't say anywhere that she's a bad woman though. Just a clever woman. She didn't even drop the arrogant prince bloke in it. All she did was not get done over by some guy and went on to live her life.

I see you still trying to spin it though.

Your posts are mostly fluff and repetition of other folk's points of view. The only thing I would make of your posts is that you trying to be clever and nudge and push towards Thane.

Who do you think are likely Town and who do you think are likely Mafia at the moment and why?

Why did you initially vote Thane and not X when you said the Thane case was weak and Turin and Tsuki had been better at finding mafia?

 

I didn't say Irene Adler was scum, I said she is not likely a vanilla townie.  I don't buy his claim, but I voted him long before that was an issue.

 

I said YOUR case was weak. 

 

What do you know about how Thane will flip that the rest of us don't?

 

 

Blue  I direct your attention to the 3rd multiquote in this post. The Blue bolded specifically. 

 

Wanna tell me what you didnt do again?

 

 

 

 

There is an actual difference when you look at the context of both statements.

 

Likely scum and being scum are too different things.  I have freely admitted that she could be town but that I felt it was unlikely. 

 

This has not been the basis for my voting Thane at all, only further confirmation in my mynd. 

@ Mynd.

 

If you felt Thane's play made him Mafia and his Role and Character reveal further confirmed it, why didn't you Gladiator him?

 

You say you unhappy I stopped voting him and concentrated on you instead - but you stopped voting him - flipped to me and then gladiated me.

 

When apparently Thane was confirmed Mafia for you.

 

I'll also remind you of the questions asked in my previous post in case they slip your mind.

Ooooophhhh.

 

Little logic left in this thread.  I cannot add anything other than to call out those who have not made a decision.  

 

  The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

Edmund Burke

 

 

 

...would you rather play in a game where two of the players take a "GFY" attitude?

 

.

 

 

explain why i should want to play more with someone who repeatedly calls people Rabid?

 

 

Her attack was rabid....as in very aggressive, and it was.  I never made anything personal.  GFY, on the other hand, is a bit different, wouldn't you agree?

 

 

 

 

...would you rather play in a game where two of the players take a "GFY" attitude?

 

.

 

 

explain why i should want to play more with someone who repeatedly calls people Rabid?

 

 

Her attack was rabid....as in very aggressive, and it was.  I never made anything personal.  GFY, on the other hand, is a bit different, wouldn't you agree?

 

 

First rule of holes?

Thrax has asked to replaced due to RL stuff. We are currently waiting on a reply to a PM.

bob  i dont understand. first rule of holes?

 

Mynd i would take being compared to a rabid dog personally too .

bob  i dont understand. first rule of holes?

 

Mynd i would take being compared to a rabid dog personally too .

 

The first rule of holes.

 

1.  When you are in a hole.  Stop digging.

likely scum being scum.  hmm considering you cant say some one was scum until after their flip therefore making being scum something impossible for you to know.

 

sounds like semantics to dig yourself outta hole

bob i dont think im in a hole

bob i dont think im in a hole

 

mynd is in the hole...but he knew that already

bob i dont think im in a hole

Guilty conscious?

bob  i dont understand. first rule of holes?

 

Mynd i would take being compared to a rabid dog personally too .

I said her attack was rabid, that's it.

Vote count:

 

Mynd (7): Ithi, Turin, Tsuki, Chae, Pral, dice, Len

Ithi (3): Mynd, Hallia, 鲍勃不是我的名字

 

 

Not Voting (6): Thrax, Tina, Despo, Thane, BFG, Csarmi

 

 

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch. A deadline is now in effect.

 

 

DL is set for Tues. June 17th at 9 PM EST.

 

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