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Sherlock Holmes Role Madness Mafia Town wins

Basel Gill
Basel Gill
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I was all fired up too.

 

Regarding Chae; the her thinking you're mafia over the hair thing has me looking again at her, it seems a silly reasoning.

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    One thing Hallia IS correct about is that trying to lynch her today would be a sort of waste. It would use up her shot, sure, but town wouldn't really gain much at all. We'd get more potential info from NA's, that's about it. Some delayed info for train analysis, but there's no guarantee people alive later on would even go through and do serious vote analysis. In the meantime, her team would get to kill another townie, who would likely have some juicy role that could help town, and town would have to wait longer to get her flip... just not a very optimal situation. Imo, the best way to handle her is let a vig shoot her. If we have no vig, we can settle that lynch down the road (obviously before endgame, cause then she could save herself ftw, we don't want that). For now, I think we go for both the best chance of killing scum today as well as a lynch that will give us info on others.

     

    [v]Thane[/v] is the obvious choice. If yall seriously need me to do a wot on him, I'd be glad to, but I have no doubts whatsoever that he'll flip scum. Great thing is, a scumflip on him would also give us more info on both Hallia (for flipflopping on Thane with literally zero explanation) AND Chae (for obvious reasons), so this would be win-win for town. If he actually ends up flipping town... well then at the very least it removes wifom from the game, gets rid of an apathetic townie (the worst kind), and will still look bad on some of those that were defending him imo, since it could easily have been scum white knighting lynchbait. Also, just wanna say I personally agree with Mynd in that I highly doubt Irene Adler would be VT in this game. I'm not a huge Sherlock buff, but after looking it up again, Rachel Macadams played Irene Adler in the American Sherlock Holmes movie, and yeah, the way they portrayed her, I see her as much more likely having some kind of scummy role or power town role, NOT a simple VT. I generally don't put much stock in character claims, but in this case I really can't help contain my skepticism. Could be because everything else Thane has done in this game is scummy tho. /shrug

    1st bold: Wouldn't they have shot her last night if they were going to? She was obviously mafia during the night. I don't like the idea of putting mafia aside to be lynched later on. My take is that Thane is lynchbait and even tho He has been not very town in his posts I think there are better choices. I would say we have a few valid easy vi targets in Thane, Csarmi and Hallia. poor guy gonna be tired from all that shooting. Provided there is a Vig. Maybe we get lucky and Hallia can't govern herself. The taunting could just be mafia bravado. saying "come and get me coppers".

     

    2nd Bold: I don't want this to get blown up like yesterday but I am gonna have to SMH at you on this one Despo. you are citing a US big budget movie which is alomst assuredly going to have pumped up the role to create something. This will be somewhat gaming the mod but it is also taking his statement directly. The ORIGINAL DOYLE STORIES are the canon from the game. now I only read what the wiki says but from that it appears that Adler is very likely to be VT. or possibly survivor. IMO there is almost no way that character is mafia. Now it could easily be a fake claim but again using that character against him is wrong. unless you want to portray Thane as 3rd party or a town PR.  But you are saying he is mafia. I am saying that character is not mafia no way no how unless the roles are assigned randomly and it doesn't look that way from where I am sitting. 

     

    Therefore my question for you for the night is What percentage would you assign to the role being?

    A. Vanilla Town

    B. Mafia

    C. Third party or some sort.

    D. town PR. 

     

    Obviously I would rather lynch Hallia as I find her the MOST likely mafia in the game. The case on Chae is making me consider her. I would certainly be willing to test Csarmi's claim. Looking back at X I had him as likely if not more so to be 3rd party as to be mafia so I can let Thrice go for the moment. I think Dice will make his alignment clear given.

    Tsuki has shown a lot of WIM in putting together all the lists and making his Chae case. I think I am sliding him back into null category for the moment as well. 

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    WIM?? "Woe is Me"???

    HAH. Couldn't be happier. I KNOW I'm scummy by nature, but you'll never see me throw a fit cause people point it out.

    Is that the definition you mean? Cause I can't see making a case as a "pity party."

     

    Turin, the OP said that Holmes mythos FROM OTHER SOURCES MAY MAKE AN APPEARANCE (caps for emphasis, not emotion).

    Both sides of this argument need to let it go. There is truly no way to make a decision from either side.

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    WIM?? "Woe is Me"???

    HAH. Couldn't be happier. I KNOW I'm scummy by nature, but you'll never see me throw a fit cause people point it out.

    Is that the definition you mean? Cause I can't see making a case as a "pity party."

     

    Turin, the OP said that Holmes mythos FROM OTHER SOURCES MAY MAKE AN APPEARANCE (caps for emphasis, not emotion).

    Both sides of this argument need to let it go. There is truly no way to make a decision from either side.

    WIM doesnt mean Woe is Me Tsuki, its something like "Want it more." or something. It means the want to win the game I think.

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    My google-fu could only find Woe is Me, Windows Imaging Format (how is that NOT WIF??), and some retarded and NSFW stuff on Urban Dictionary...

     

    Either way, after 11pm, gotta be up at 6. Have fun, all.

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    Yeah google doesnt do mafia lingo well. Turin was complimenting you on your determination and Want to Win.

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    Stupid Flash of Lightning - MORIARTY IS A JOAT (Master of Disguise bastard!!) THAT IS WHY THANE MENTIONED IT!!

     

    My only question is would the Mod give a JOAT a  Pardon - How many times did Moriarty cheat death!!

     

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    [v]HALLIA[/v]

     

    and good night.

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    For the Record:

    Thane - a relative newcomer, mentions JOATS.

    A JOAT would be an awesome scum balance in a Role Madness game.

    Accepting that Sources outside Canon are possible, Moriarty has shown himself to be a master of disguise, capable of faking his own death, a genius to match Holmes.

    A JOAT, whose role involved Cheating Death, would have a Pardon ability - Hallia claimed this.
    A JOAT, while having each ability only 1x, would have several SHOTS - Hallia said what, again?? Oh yeah, BUSTED.
     
    Therfore, I submit:
    Hallia is Moriarty. A GF/JOAT. The strongest counter I can imagine in a Role Madness game.
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    Thrice, LOL.

     

    X was questionable. I still think hallia is most likely for mafia ATM.

     

    Des why you wanna shelve her for the day?

     

    I'll answer this in greater detail later, but my stance has shifted on the issue

     

    Initial thought was that having to wait longer for her flip would stall the scumhunt somewhat, but now I'm thinking that forcing her to use her shot on herself would actually limit her ability to hurt town, AND give town more info since scum would have two days to try and derail her lynch

     

    Des - I'm a bold claimer. I always have been, always will be. I don't see it as out of the ordinary.

     

    It's most certainly out of the ordinary for you to act like you're confirmed town because of the claim. You've claimed early before, but the only times you acted like you were confirmed town was when your actions or behavior that game made you absurdly townie (like a Doc stuffing mafia NK's, etc).

     

    This game you acted like you were above question, even tho your claim was completely unnecessary, didn't help town whatsoever, and you acted all democratic about your role instead of using your instincts like you normally do. Imo it was a complete show to try and look like town's best friend.

     

    Retreat!!

    giphy.gif

     

    +5 Internets for the Monty Python gif

     

    :laugh:

     

     

    Posted your WHAT?? List? Yeah got it, used it to nail your whole team. Funny thing is,I don't recall asking for anything from you. Odd how I make comment about the QT lighting up and you show up 7 minutes later...

     

    You...do see what time it is? Just got off work.  You said I never posted a list, but I did.  Turin however did ask me for it.

     

    Misconstruing everything I see.  I'll be here the rest of the night though, don't you worry :wink:

     

    Unvote 

     

    Vote Tsuki

     

     

    Lol Hallia all you got this game is OMGUS in place of scumhunting- not buying it one second

     

     

    One thing Hallia IS correct about is that trying to lynch her today would be a sort of waste. It would use up her shot, sure, but town wouldn't really gain much at all. We'd get more potential info from NA's, that's about it. Some delayed info for train analysis, but there's no guarantee people alive later on would even go through and do serious vote analysis. In the meantime, her team would get to kill another townie, who would likely have some juicy role that could help town, and town would have to wait longer to get her flip... just not a very optimal situation. Imo, the best way to handle her is let a vig shoot her. If we have no vig, we can settle that lynch down the road (obviously before endgame, cause then she could save herself ftw, we don't want that). For now, I think we go for both the best chance of killing scum today as well as a lynch that will give us info on others.

     

    [v]Thane[/v] is the obvious choice. If yall seriously need me to do a wot on him, I'd be glad to, but I have no doubts whatsoever that he'll flip scum. Great thing is, a scumflip on him would also give us more info on both Hallia (for flipflopping on Thane with literally zero explanation) AND Chae (for obvious reasons), so this would be win-win for town. If he actually ends up flipping town... well then at the very least it removes wifom from the game, gets rid of an apathetic townie (the worst kind), and will still look bad on some of those that were defending him imo, since it could easily have been scum white knighting lynchbait. Also, just wanna say I personally agree with Mynd in that I highly doubt Irene Adler would be VT in this game. I'm not a huge Sherlock buff, but after looking it up again, Rachel Macadams played Irene Adler in the American Sherlock Holmes movie, and yeah, the way they portrayed her, I see her as much more likely having some kind of scummy role or power town role, NOT a simple VT. I generally don't put much stock in character claims, but in this case I really can't help contain my skepticism. Could be because everything else Thane has done in this game is scummy tho. /shrug

    1st bold: Wouldn't they have shot her last night if they were going to? She was obviously mafia during the night. I don't like the idea of putting mafia aside to be lynched later on. My take is that Thane is lynchbait and even tho He has been not very town in his posts I think there are better choices. I would say we have a few valid easy vi targets in Thane, Csarmi and Hallia. poor guy gonna be tired from all that shooting. Provided there is a Vig. Maybe we get lucky and Hallia can't govern herself. The taunting could just be mafia bravado. saying "come and get me coppers".

     

    2nd Bold: I don't want this to get blown up like yesterday but I am gonna have to SMH at you on this one Despo. you are citing a US big budget movie which is alomst assuredly going to have pumped up the role to create something. This will be somewhat gaming the mod but it is also taking his statement directly. The ORIGINAL DOYLE STORIES are the canon from the game. now I only read what the wiki says but from that it appears that Adler is very likely to be VT. or possibly survivor. IMO there is almost no way that character is mafia. Now it could easily be a fake claim but again using that character against him is wrong. unless you want to portray Thane as 3rd party or a town PR.  But you are saying he is mafia. I am saying that character is not mafia no way no how unless the roles are assigned randomly and it doesn't look that way from where I am sitting. 

     

    Therefore my question for you for the night is What percentage would you assign to the role being?

    A. Vanilla Town

    B. Mafia

    C. Third party or some sort.

    D. town PR. 

     

    Obviously I would rather lynch Hallia as I find her the MOST likely mafia in the game. The case on Chae is making me consider her. I would certainly be willing to test Csarmi's claim. Looking back at X I had him as likely if not more so to be 3rd party as to be mafia so I can let Thrice go for the moment. I think Dice will make his alignment clear given.

    Tsuki has shown a lot of WIM in putting together all the lists and making his Chae case. I think I am sliding him back into null category for the moment as well. 

     

     

    To the first point- this did sway me a bit. You're right in that it might not be prudent to bet on a Vig shooting her. Tho it's role madness, we're not necessarily guaranteed to have town killing roles, and even if we do, there's no guarantee that the person using it would use it right, PLUS - Tsuki's off the wall theory has me wondering if Hallia claimed so early BECAUSE she knew she'd have extra protection (not just the Governor shot). Made me think of my Undead game where my character was crazy hard to kill, if Hallia is Moriarty I could see her being extremely difficult to take down.

     

    Not only that, but town isn't in a bad shape at all atm, and with role madness giving all our PR's another night to collect info could be a huge boost for us, and having two days worth of wagon analysis on scum!Hallia would be an absolute boon for endgame. Scum would have to pass their act off two days in a row, which might be a challenge.

     

    Still disagree with you about Thane, but I'll focus on convincing you in greater effort another day.

     

    To your argument about the American movie not being included in this canon, I still think the character itself seemed important enough to be cast with an A-list actor, so even if it took some artistic license with the material, she'd still have to be a fairly big deal in the Holmes universe. Not only that, but this IS role madness, and we've seen much more out there characters that still had roles... while this is admitted gaming the mod on my own part, to me it would kinda be trolling the players somewhat to give the most major characters the more trivial roles.

     

    And again, in the movie, Adler DID seem to have her own allegiance, she def didn't seem to be on Holmes' side. In the sequel she was even more diametrically opposed- she worked for Moriarty himself. While she had her own motivation for doing so, the fact remains that the way the movies portrayed her character was def very middle of the road if anything, not a "good guy". As far as my percentages-

     

    A. VT = 5% mebbe? That even seems generous

    B. Mafia = 40% since after all, she did work for Moriarty

    C. Third party = 40% since even in the story which Ithi quoted, she still seemed interested in her own gains, not anyone else's

    D. Town PR = 15%, altho it might be this low since Thane looks so scummy to me

     

     

    For the Record:

    Thane - a relative newcomer, mentions JOATS.

    A JOAT would be an awesome scum balance in a Role Madness game.

    Accepting that Sources outside Canon are possible, Moriarty has shown himself to be a master of disguise, capable of faking his own death, a genius to match Holmes.

    A JOAT, whose role involved Cheating Death, would have a Pardon ability - Hallia claimed this.
    A JOAT, while having each ability only 1x, would have several SHOTS - Hallia said what, again?? Oh yeah, BUSTED.
     
    Therfore, I submit:
    Hallia is Moriarty. A GF/JOAT. The strongest counter I can imagine in a Role Madness game.

     

     

    Interesting theory indeed...

     

    :jordan:

     

    Tsuki is def LOCK CLEAR btw. As Turin said, his WIM is off the charts. I don't know how effective all his ideas are (like when he made the aggregate reads list- I have suggested that tactic in the past, but it was usually later in a game after more info was out in the open), but his commitment to them looks 100% genuine.

     

    [unvote]

     

    [v]Hallia[/v]

     

    Her latest OMGUS jump to Tsuki over nothing just continues to illustrate how little she cares about catching scum, and how much she cares about herself this game. And tho it will likely take two lynches to take her down, if she's Moriarty like Tsuki suggests, that would likely be worth it.

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    This time Thane try and convince me you're not scum

     

    Start with... everything. Explain everything about yourself, and why you're not scum.

     

    And please state your stance as boldly and unequivocally as possible on Hallia.

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    :
    1. Thrax Dice 2.0  Is Town!
    2. Len is Mafia
    3. Mynd Wiggins, Town 1-shot Gladiator, lynched D1
    4. Dawn NotBob is Mafia
    5. Tina is Mafia
    6. Turin is Town
    7. Despo is Town
    8. Hally is Mafia
    9. Chae is Mafia
    10. Ithi is Town
    11. Thane is town
    12. Tsuki is (to quote Mellie from the lost hero  "he's soooo GOATly!!"   is town
    13. Dice Toby the Dog, Town 2-shot Oracle, killed N1
    14. Charis/BFG  is town
    15. Pral  is town
    16. Salami is town

     

     

    this is my LD list  not neccessarily my READS list

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    This time Thane try and convince me you're not scum

     

    Start with... everything. Explain everything about yourself, and why you're not scum.

     

    And please state your stance as boldly and unequivocally as possible on Hallia.

    i'm not ignoring you Des. I'm off to work in a couple of minutes, but i will try to see if i can prepare a post at work and put it in the thread once i get back.

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    reads

     

    im starting to allow for thane to be derp but am still leaning mafia. Want to see his comeback

     

    Len is in the bottom end of mu Null views.  not sure which way to go on him

     

    :Tina is like Len    im seeing one of them as the 4th mafia

     

    my solid towns are Tsuki Turin and Ithi   Des is there with my usual provision

     

    I DO believe Csarmi.

     

     

    Scum

     

    Hallia

     

    Chae

     

    NotBob    think he is one of the spewers who isnt happy im alive again

     

     

    @ Tsuki    i think it was u asking. Ive never heard of a counter for Oracle. Dont even know if RB works on Oracle

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    It´s true that Hally doesn´t seem to be scum hunting but I doubt she would claim that way if she was mafia. This is totally a meta read but I have never seen her do anything like that before. 

     

    I don´t think Thane´s behaviour should clear him. He was very upset, but it doesn´t tell us his alignment. The same goes for me, I´m not lurking on purpose, I have been very busy and not feeling well, but that says nothing of my alignment. 

     

    We are celebrating Midsummer today. I will hopefully be much calmer tomorrow and get more active here. 

     

    Happy Midsummer!

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