Turin - it was Krak's Marlfox game that just ended. I have described how babysitter works and someone else provided the wiki link. You DON'T get to choose. It's how the role works. Like a weak doctor. I think you just misunderstood what he was saying. Des chose to "protect" Rags because he thought Rags was scum and that he [Des] would be the night target. That's how a babysitter can be used offensively.

 

I don't think WOT was RBed. I think she just didn't have a strong enough Town read or simply didn't post a NA.

My character? But why Turin

 

Why

Tommy, kivam, Yates. You have all claimed roles. Please claim your characters as well.

 

Why in the world would characters matter?  Irrelevant - but the name I was given was "Einar."  Feel free to tell me how you think that helps  

See, this pings for me.  Reads way too much like magnanimous scum brushing off a townie.  Maybe Yates or other people who have played with Tommy a lot will back you up on this, but if I were the target of a false cop claim, I'd be calling the claimant scum and considering the possibility that it was a poor town play a distant second.

Oh boy, do I love the smell of Tommy bull crap in the afternoon. Its a smell ive become familiar with at this point. 

 

So once again Tommy pulls some stupid plan he thinks is genius out as a way to try and get someone he thinks is scum lynched without ever actually legit casing them. Funny thing is this is actually a town Tommy thing. Only town Tommy can think this is a good idea, cause I doubt scum tom would rely on something so stupid.

 

 

I wanna lynch RTE the most.

I think Kivam has a non town agenda. Too much rhetoric.

Lenlo has some of the scummiest posts ITT, especially the "of COURSE there's mafia in this game you bozo!" type posts.

Really? Explain why. Please, for me lover.

See, this pings for me.  Reads way too much like magnanimous scum brushing off a townie.  Maybe Yates or other people who have played with Tommy a lot will back you up on this, but if I were the target of a false cop claim, I'd be calling the claimant scum and considering the possibility that it was a poor town play a distant second.

More a Des move than a Tommy move, imo. Especially given the fact Tommy tore Des a new one for pulling a stunt like the one Lenlo is assuming this is.

ok i started the day thinking itd be quiet at work but that went out the window just before lunch. add secret santa and xmas lunch and ive gotten nowhere today.

 

Im gonna have to go back and re start as once tommy came in i lost track of whats what. i somehow missed tommys claim for eg.

 

wont be home til late tonight but will put in time then

Yates, fair enough. I may have misread Despo.

 

Kivam, it is just something else to check against. Trying to see if there are any patterns. Looking doubtful as most likely scenario is all names thrown into random generator including safe fakes for the mafia. There have been a few that seem to be pretty much anonymous ashaman as far as the books would go.

 

Tommy, why can't you just say it? Time was a,nobody and she was a pr so I doubt they are related. Or are you going to claim Logain?

 

See, this pings for me.  Reads way too much like magnanimous scum brushing off a townie.  Maybe Yates or other people who have played with Tommy a lot will back you up on this, but if I were the target of a false cop claim, I'd be calling the claimant scum and considering the possibility that it was a poor town play a distant second.

Oh boy, do I love the smell of Tommy bull crap in the afternoon. Its a smell ive become familiar with at this point. 

 

So once again Tommy pulls some stupid plan he thinks is genius out as a way to try and get someone he thinks is scum lynched without ever actually legit casing them. Funny thing is this is actually a town Tommy thing. Only town Tommy can think this is a good idea, cause I doubt scum tom would rely on something so stupid.

 

 

I wanna lynch RTE the most.

 

I think Kivam has a non town agenda. Too much rhetoric.

 

Lenlo has some of the scummiest posts ITT, especially the "of COURSE there's mafia in this game you bozo!" type posts.

Really? Explain why. Please, for me lover.

 

Ive just gotten used to Tommys stupid, and ive only seen him scum once or twice. Both of those times though he never did anything I would call outright stupid like I would this. My first reaction was, yes, omg he must be scum. But then I remembered who it was. This is the guy who claims multiple anti-town roles on D1, starts CFDs and screws with people just cause he can/get a reaction out of people.

 

tommy those couple of pages leading up to yates claim are pure town yates. 'tis obvious

 

 

gotta go to work but will read that len link someone provided when i get there

I probably agree. What about Kivam?

 

 

Kivam confuses the hell out of me with the way he posts. More so last game then this one. hes clearer here. The worst thing is i think im causing that confusion. Ive heard so much about him i purposely try to watch and evaluate his posts and i think im screwing myself over in regards to reading him. currently im leaning town but its a paranoid lean atm

 

 

 

 

Wouldn't killing the babysitter also kill the one she was protecting?

 

I believe it was said earlier you CAN do that, but don't have to.

 

It's not a choice. It's a mechanic. If the babysitter is targeted, both the babysitter and the "baby" die.

 

 

i thought des said he could choose?  the fact he kept protecting yates kinda cemented that in my head. yates was an outed PR at that time

now

 

first can i say I hate tommy??   headdesk  he's done it again.  havent gone and looked but tommy didnt u throw out a Mason line at the beginning of the game?  and now an unofficial cop claim where you jump off the person and then "unclaim" it??  gimme a break willya?? cant you play straight just once??  and the worst thing is  this time i think your town!

 

fine reading thru all that makes me think tommys the cop. That post where he said US COPS  i read as us  no US as in United States. also seeing as its D3 id expect him to be CCd by now

 

what i DIDNT like was ley's bit about vetting tommy by lynching len OR by lynching tommy.  that makes no sense. he basically claimed cop so if un cc'd you lynch his read first THEN if its wrong you look at lynching him. and that doesnt always happen after the first wrong result either.

 

in regards to len  I read that len link and i didnt get that ithi was sus on len as much as she was on thane.

 

 

 

 

so over all lets see what lies tommy has spun this time.

 

##vote lenlo

ok ignore the mason bit. i isod tommy just now and cant see it  but i feel ive read it somewhere recently.

Dice, you seem wolfy

now

 

first can i say I hate tommy??   headdesk  he's done it again.  havent gone and looked but tommy didnt u throw out a Mason line at the beginning of the game?  and now an unofficial cop claim where you jump off the person and then "unclaim" it??  gimme a break willya?? cant you play straight just once??  and the worst thing is  this time i think your town!

 

fine reading thru all that makes me think tommys the cop. That post where he said US COPS  i read as us  no US as in United States. also seeing as its D3 id expect him to be CCd by now

 

what i DIDNT like was ley's bit about vetting tommy by lynching len OR by lynching tommy.  that makes no sense. he basically claimed cop so if un cc'd you lynch his read first THEN if its wrong you look at lynching him. and that doesnt always happen after the first wrong result either.

 

in regards to len  I read that len link and i didnt get that ithi was sus on len as much as she was on thane.

 

 

 

 

so over all lets see what lies tommy has spun this time.

 

##vote lenlo

I don't like what you're spinning here.

You're saying to lynch Lenlo to vet Tommy...but there's nothing about Tommy's play that we could derive direct insight into his alignment from Lenlo's, and here you're pushing to take down Lenlo and if (flip Town) -> move on to Tommy.  

But Tommy hasn't claimed Finder. I mean yeah, he could be lying about his lie, but there's no real way to say one or another.  

 

[v] Unvote [/v]

[v] ## Dice [/v]

[unvote]

 

[v]##Dice[/v]

Finally someone is willing to vote Dice. 

Yates, did Darthe tell you if your BPV was used?  I am assuming that you are not fully BP.

 

Dice, Tommy did make a mason claim near the beginning of the game in the form of a shout out to his buddy. Directed at Thane I believe but obviously Thane wasn't a mason.

 

 

 

What is the VC and the time to deadline?   

For the record, "mason" is a way of leaving peeks as seer/cop on POG and is more of a gag than anything. I don't have any mechanical connection to Thane

I am assuming that you are not fully BP.

PAFO, MF, IMO.

So we´ve got 8 days, starting from D1. I agree with Turin that we could need some time so that everyone have the possibility to contribute. Pral is in India and Turin is in Calefornia (right?) There are a lot of time zones in between. 

 

[v] ## 24 hours [/v]

Things like this is what I was talking about Tina playing like a helpful townie and playing real safe.

 

 

 

[v] ## 24 hours [/v]

 

Anything less than that benefits mafia IMO... :P

explain your reasoning, why do you think it benefits mafia to have less than 24 hours? I could say anything but red writing benefits the mafia, but that neither explains my reasoning or makes it valid. Considering no majority needs to be reached your vote comes across as a mafia just trying to make sure you have a vote on the board.

 

 

This was the original post. I have no idea why EP chose to comment on this post but chose to not comment on others that are alike. 

 

 

[v] EP [/v]

 

 

Other than that, I think Thane is a bit careful in the beginning. Will just note it for the moment.

 

She votes EP after Ithi and few others like Time threw an FoS on him. EP was already starting to get heat at this point of time.

 

Aha. Now I actually get what you mean. I think... Or not... I agree with her that it´s more likely that we lynch mafia if we wait a little longer and have more facts to back our votes on. In my case I see it also more as a way to get information later in the game.

And, soon enough drops her suspicion with little to no pressure. But, does not remove her vote.

 

I didn´t like Locke´s vote on Ley but he unvoted so I get a town feeling from him. 

 

I´ll echo Ithi, why are you voting EP, Kivam?

 

 

[unvote]

 

[v] ## Dice [/v]

She does change her vote to Dice but after EP had 5 on his wagon and TIme as the competing wagon. Around this point it was sure that either EP or Time would be lynched.

 

D2, she keeps voting Dice and Dice was already getting heat for his D1 vote.

 

Overall, her play has been kind of safe and not taking much risks. Yes, she starts voting Dice when no one else was, but I don't think it was a risk at all at the time. Town TIna has been really agressive in her last few games and I don't see that here.

 

 

So where's the second N1 kill? That been discussed yet? By people other than Kivam who pushed the "maybe there's no mafia" angle with it?

You didn't even read the thread? Yes, I'm quite happy with my new vote. Get out and learn how to read.

I don't need to read every post to solve the game. Some real time interaction does wonders.

 

You are genuinely annoyed and showing it and trying to fight me, so you should be town here. Saves me the effort of discerning your alignment through that horrid green text.

 

There are methods to my madness

 

 

It's interesting how you're the second to comment about me using colour this game, while I've NEVER before seen someone have a problem with it in the few years I've been around...

 

 

Should have discussed it more D2, meh.

I can only fight one fight at a time. :/

 

As it was I was the only one quoting the OP to say this no lynch idea was bad. And people argued with me AFTER I showed it in the OP. It took Darthe's "oopsie!" post to convince people there were scum in the game??

 

 

It took Darthe's "oopsie!" post to convince me there was no chance there was no scum in this game. Which sounds nearly the same but is very different.

 

 

Again - yeah, no. Don't think many people need to feign anything when you're being a schmuck. "I'm going to whack people with a stick over and over. Anyone who cries out in pain is obviously a townie, b/c scum wouldn't fake it"

There's a complex web of timing and emotive responses that I don't have the time or patience to explain to a troglodyte. The ultimate conclusion is I think he's town for it. If you disagree and think he's scum then go ahead and push him.

 

 

Well, please use it less. I was basically unable to continue playing yesterday evening without risking getting mad and shouting in all caps. Which is something I've done before and don't want to do again.

 

Ley where did you go?

 

Cooling down. And around the time you asked that I went to bed.

 

 

Tommy, why release "investigation results" today. Why not give it another night?

I do a lot of things on a whim. But once I start posting I tend to die.

 

 

Just saying... It might have to do with your playstyle. I can see that being the case, at least. Currently I'm taking away my vote from you because it seems this is your normal style, but I don't like it.

 

Yates, fair enough. I may have misread Despo.

 

Kivam, it is just something else to check against. Trying to see if there are any patterns. Looking doubtful as most likely scenario is all names thrown into random generator including safe fakes for the mafia. There have been a few that seem to be pretty much anonymous ashaman as far as the books would go.

 

Tommy, why can't you just say it? Time was a,nobody and she was a pr so I doubt they are related. Or are you going to claim Logain?

 

My name is of one of the major Asha'man in the books, but I see no way it would be related to the role I have. Well, there MAY be a way, but that could be wrong or far-stretched.

 

 

 

See, this pings for me.  Reads way too much like magnanimous scum brushing off a townie.  Maybe Yates or other people who have played with Tommy a lot will back you up on this, but if I were the target of a false cop claim, I'd be calling the claimant scum and considering the possibility that it was a poor town play a distant second.

Oh boy, do I love the smell of Tommy bull crap in the afternoon. Its a smell ive become familiar with at this point. 

 

So once again Tommy pulls some stupid plan he thinks is genius out as a way to try and get someone he thinks is scum lynched without ever actually legit casing them. Funny thing is this is actually a town Tommy thing. Only town Tommy can think this is a good idea, cause I doubt scum tom would rely on something so stupid.

 

 

I wanna lynch RTE the most.

 

I think Kivam has a non town agenda. Too much rhetoric.

 

Lenlo has some of the scummiest posts ITT, especially the "of COURSE there's mafia in this game you bozo!" type posts.

Really? Explain why. Please, for me lover.

 

Ive just gotten used to Tommys stupid, and ive only seen him scum once or twice. Both of those times though he never did anything I would call outright stupid like I would this. My first reaction was, yes, omg he must be scum. But then I remembered who it was. This is the guy who claims multiple anti-town roles on D1, starts CFDs and screws with people just cause he can/get a reaction out of people.

 

 

Good to know that. I suppose I'll be more prepared next time.

 

now

 

first can i say I hate tommy??   headdesk  he's done it again.  havent gone and looked but tommy didnt u throw out a Mason line at the beginning of the game?  and now an unofficial cop claim where you jump off the person and then "unclaim" it??  gimme a break willya?? cant you play straight just once??  and the worst thing is  this time i think your town!

 

fine reading thru all that makes me think tommys the cop. That post where he said US COPS  i read as us  no US as in United States. also seeing as its D3 id expect him to be CCd by now

 

what i DIDNT like was ley's bit about vetting tommy by lynching len OR by lynching tommy.  that makes no sense. he basically claimed cop so if un cc'd you lynch his read first THEN if its wrong you look at lynching him. and that doesnt always happen after the first wrong result either.

 

in regards to len  I read that len link and i didnt get that ithi was sus on len as much as she was on thane.

 

 

 

 

so over all lets see what lies tommy has spun this time.

 

##vote lenlo

 

That's not what I said though. I said lynch Lenlo and then lynch Tommy if Lenlo is town. As it's a fakeclaim though, I suppose it's time to move on the next on my list. Earlier I mentioned that I thought Yates was the scummiest, but he hasn't really reinforced that idea recently, and I mentioned I would put you together with him if not for the fact that I seem to read you scum EVERY game I play with you. As it seems that there are people agreeing with me though, I should probably trust myself more.

 

[unvote]

 

[v] ## Dice [/v]

"so over all lets see what lies tommy has spun this time.

 

##vote lenlo"

 

That is a scum claim. Period. There's no villager logic thee.

Ley I am well aware my style is abrasive

 

Would you like to borrow the rustle brush?

Although, that Dice vote on Lenlo stinks. First, don't need to vet Tommy by lynching Lenlo - if TOmmy was lying, there would be a counterclaim sooner or later. Also, this being a hybrid hammer, pushing Lenlo's train does make sense for scum. However, I don't see a need for such a desperate move as scum. Would dice be that obvious?

Pral wondering if he should bus or not?

 

*remind myself to get back to that post if Dice turns up mafia*

Nudge more, perhaps?

 

This sounds too rash for dice, especially after he already had quite a bit of heat from D1.