Zander  do us a fava   if you multiquote a huge one cut it down to the relevent bits if you can without losing things ure using as a point

ya sorry!

 

 

Okay. And did that discussion give you any reads?

 

Mostly that Dice is town. Got a town lean on Turin too, scum lean on Darthe, not really anything else from the top of my head.

 

 

Still don´t understand how you all read Dice as town. Can you explain it too me. Very slowly.

 

 

Im not understanding how you arnt actually. You usually read me pretty well

I think you overestimate my ability to read you. I did read you correct in last game but managed to ignore that read anyway. You were mafia. I think you said something like that then as well. (Could be wrong on that.) I just want others to explain why they town read you. I seem to be the only one who doesn´t.

Well I for one think that you're playing much better this game Zander. You've made some reads, and you're not raising  a FoS (Finger of Suspicion) to everyone and anyone. 

because i said my hangover jumbled my brain which in turn made my attempt to engage poor.  but at the beginning of the game just trying to get things going.

 

I have done a lot of "trying to start the game" stuff in my days but I don´t see your posts like that. I saw that you took it back and later tried to make it into something anyway.

Tina: I wouldn't say I'm townreading Dice yet, but he's a null for me. Nothing more.

@ Sooh Thank you kindly

 

because i said my hangover jumbled my brain which in turn made my attempt to engage poor.  but at the beginning of the game just trying to get things going.

 

I have done a lot of "trying to start the game" stuff in my days but I don´t see your posts like that. I saw that you took it back and later tried to make it into something anyway.

 

i think your reads of me are based on the fact that you dont know how random and foolish i really am.  im sure if you look at some of my posts off mafia.  youd read me different.  maybe not but just thought id point that out.

Of course I know, you are a BT member.    I have not played with you before though. Or have I? I have a terrible memory. 

 

What I´m trying to say is that you first excused yourself and then trying to make it look like it was deliberate to get the game started. It´s not the only reason for voting you either. Look at Turin´s posts that I quoted. 

Of course I know, you are a BT member.    I have not played with you before though. Or have I? I have a terrible memory. 

 

Yes I joined yesterday drank some taint...probably i dont need any fuel added to that fire..lol.  Only other game i played was the april fools onel

 

What I´m trying to say is that you first excused yourself and then trying to make it look like it was deliberate to get the game started. It´s not the only reason for voting you either. Look at Turin´s posts that I quoted. 

like when i said our town.  not sure but probably not the only person to claim that.  it just seems your mafia reads on me seem pretty thin at best at least to me anyway.

I think you overestimate my ability to read you. I did read you correct in last game but managed to ignore that read anyway. You were mafia. I think you said something like that then as well. (Could be wrong on that.) I just want others to explain why they town read you. I seem to be the only one who doesn´t.

 

Well, it's just that he's playing the same as he normally does, while playing DIFFERENT from how he played last game - the game I have seen him as scum.

About Cory. He said that he wouldn´t start to give reads until later. It feels like it has been a long time since I played with him. I find it strange that he doesn´t get involved more but this is what he has said so far:

 

- He thinks Ithi is contributing to this game and says we should lynch third party at LYLO -1. He thinks Ley is wrong about Ithi but probably town being wrong.

 

- I take his question to Dice as him believing Dice to be town. Why?

 

- Zander is more controlled and rigid. Does that mean scummy?

 

- He doesn´t have me as town.

 

 

I understand if you don´t have me as town yet but if you don´t have it later today I will be worried. You are really good at knowing my alignment. So far I have you as null and hope that you will come up with something good later. 

 

 

 

 

About Ley - I got a townie vibe from his posts first  but... the amount of posts are fewer than in the last game that I played with him and there is something about that unvote. Not sure about him. 

Tina and Sooh, welcome to the party

I don't really have a good read on them, I however am leaning a bit towards town with Sooh

Though because of the comment, is the only thing I was concerned with. I didn't notice until someone pointed it out. I don't really like going on others suspicions, I would like to have my own reasons. I will be watching a bit more closely with the one's who were not able to post yesterday :)

 

(Quote)"I understand if you don´t have me as town yet but if you don´t have it later today I will be worried. You are really good at knowing my alignment. So far I have you as null and hope that you will come up with something good later. "  which others pointed out. 

Ley I am still unsure. As a new player I wasn't able to get your joke at the beginning,  but I do appreciate the ones who got the game moving. I am definitely back to null, slightly town with him with the later comments he made.

 

I am unsure of Dice, BFG( need some more posts!) and yates

With Zander I know mafia is different, and he was apparently lynched 1st last game. He is just not playing like HIS PERSONALITY. I am unsure, but a slight mafia lean.

darthe is the same as before, just waiting until he gets back in =p

 

About Cory. He said that he wouldn´t start to give reads until later. It feels like it has been a long time since I played with him. I find it strange that he doesn´t get involved more but this is what he has said so far:

 

- He thinks Ithi is contributing to this game and says we should lynch third party at LYLO -1. He thinks Ley is wrong about Ithi but probably town being wrong.

 

- I take his question to Dice as him believing Dice to be town. Why?

 

- Zander is more controlled and rigid. Does that mean scummy?

 

- He doesn´t have me as town.

 

 

I understand if you don´t have me as town yet but if you don´t have it later today I will be worried. You are really good at knowing my alignment. So far I have you as null and hope that you will come up with something good later. 

 

 

 

 

About Ley - I got a townie vibe from his posts first  but... the amount of posts are fewer than in the last game that I played with him and there is something about that unvote. Not sure about him. 

Tina and Sooh, welcome to the party

I don't really have a good read on them, I however am leaning a bit towards town with Sooh

Though because of the comment, is the only thing I was concerned with. I didn't notice until someone pointed it out. I don't really like going on others suspicions, I would like to have my own reasons. I will be watching a bit more closely with the one's who were not able to post yesterday :)

 

(Quote)"I understand if you don´t have me as town yet but if you don´t have it later today I will be worried. You are really good at knowing my alignment. So far I have you as null and hope that you will come up with something good later. "  which others pointed out. 

Ley I am still unsure. As a new player I wasn't able to get your joke at the beginning,  but I do appreciate the ones who got the game moving. I am definitely back to null, slightly town with him with the later comments he made.

 

I am unsure of Dice, BFG( need some more posts!) and yates

With Zander I know mafia is different, and he was apparently lynched 1st last game. He is just not playing like HIS PERSONALITY. I am unsure, but a slight mafia lean.

darthe is the same as before, just waiting until he gets back in =p

 

in your last post you said i was town and in your next one mafia.  would elaborate on why you switched this for me please?

 

also agree with your sooh read as light town though ill need to see more

For me zander, I know you said you had to switch your play style, but your play this game is just entirely different from your personality, I started to notice it after a couple of re-reads. maybe it will just take me some time to get used to mafia zanders play style lol. 

I always take other's points into account, but for me that is way I have you slightly towards the other side now.

It isn't anything solid, just going to definitely be watching. hope that cleared up my decision. 

I doubt it's a good tell though. He's pretty new, so he's probably still trying to find a way to play the game. It took me pretty long too.

Dice: Defending my biggest mafia suspects. 

 

There's a couple things that stood out to me about Dice, and a lot of it can be summed up like you did.  I fully understand where you are coming from with Darthe and Zander - they're two of the people I feel worst about right now.  Now that being said, if we're correct about either (or especially both of them) being scum, your theory has Mafia!Dice soft-defending two of his teammates D1.

 

In the game that just finished, he was mafia and pretty much avoided discussing Cass (his only teammate) at all.  It wasn't until we were working on a POE solve that he even brought her up, and he STILL didn't give a read.  

 

Based just on that, I would lean that all three could not be mafia together, and I feel worse about Zander and Dearthe independently than I do Dice.

Beyond that, Dice had the same issue with Darthe that I did - getting at Turin for whiteknighting Ithillian early, when Darthe knows that's just how the two of them play.  I also liked him providing a little meta to Zander on #168 (backing up the hangover claim, talking about his posts being pretty typical for him).

 

I don't know Zander so I can't vouch any of the information is correct, but I assume that somebody more familiar would bust Dice if he was lying about all of it.

About Cory. He said that he wouldn´t start to give reads until later. 

 

If you want an actual explanation of this, I started doing this around Discworld (   ) because I don't think my "spam-the-thread-push-everyone" POG style is super effective at DM. Watching to see who is posting of their own volition and which way people are going in general without my hand moving the pieces tends to give me far better reads than chomping at "reactions"; some of this is that I am a weird Mafia player who reads people in a weird way, but I do what works for me 

 

- I take his question to Dice as him believing Dice to be town. Why?

 

Short answer: I read dice very well. I actually read dice better than I read you and I think he's aware of it 

 

Here's a post some genius made IRT to how to read dice:

 

 

Let's talk about how to read dice. I've played ~14 games with him and in the course of those games read several of his older wolf games. This ish has worked for me quite reliably. Maybe it'll help you.

 

Content-wise, dice's reads are more complex as a villager. He comes up with wolf reads backed by original reasoning that call attention to him. As a wolf, he posts reads, but they're pretty basic stuff and he tends to miss or ignore significant things. On occasion he has trouble judging how confident he should be in his reads.

 

Tonally, dice tends to sound looser as a villager. There's an emotional component to his reactions that is often missing as a wolf. He comes across as more committed to his reads. When he's wolfing, he may try posting a bit of fluff here and there, usually early in a game, but mostly he comes across as grimly determined to fulfill his role.

 

He has a volume tell. He's aware of it and might conceivably try to address it in the short term when he's wolfing, but still, it's there. This would already be his highest posting wolf game of all time.

 

We're left with a situation in which he's either playing his best wolf game ever, by some distance, or he's a villager. Obviously someone who has played 85 long games is more likely to be a villager than to have finally learned how to post like his villager self on his 14th try as a wolf.

 

 

Here's a summary in gif form for people who dislike words:

 

When dice is a villager, he posts like this:

 

 

 

When dice is a wolf, he posts like this:

 

 

 

There's been quite a few things that have rung my "Town!Dice" bell, and it's funny you brought up the Darthe read since that's a very good example of a complex read that dice probably doesn't bother to make as a mafian. Not a billion percent sure, but he's pretty firmly in my green range. I'll give you an update closer to EOD.

 

- Zander is more controlled and rigid. Does that mean scummy?

 

I don't really know. AFAICT this is Zander's second game, and at this point in my mafia career I acknowledge that there are some types of players I read very well (NF, intuitive types) and players I don't (ST type-thinkers and players I do not know well). The question is, which is more likely: A) Zander changed his playstyle because A) he's town, rattled that he got mislynched last game and wants to change it or B) he's mafia and is playing differently for [multitude of potential reasons, from "he can't emulate his town game as mafia" to "he's most concerned about not being lynched"].

 

I don't know the answer to this but I can think on it some more, but I am going to need more out of him than what I have to have a really firm read.

Going to start up the REREAD, but aorn I have a few villagers I am confident enough in:

 

dice

Clov

Turin

Ithi

Tina

 

Want to check out what's going on between Xander/Seph, seems like there's some fun there

ISOed Dice, and I think a bunch of the things Tina is pointing out seems more like Dice encouraging and helping new members, while also providing information so as to help to get a meta on Zander in particular. I agree with the whole encouragement side of things, and probably will do the same thing if given a chance. I don't see anything particularly scummy in that.

 

As for meta it's probably not going to be easy to use in a game with several new people. There's myself, Zander, Shadar and seph, and I can't imagine any of us have a very strong meta so far. Or maybe I'm wrong about me... the other three though... 

 

People tend to be joking way less in mafia than other places on the board. In mafia people can also get rather intense with each other, and then go somewhere else and be all buddy buddy. It's the nature of the game. 

 

 

 

I also ISOed Darthe, and I'm not any closer to clearing him than I was to begin with. If you want to be in the clear, better start working on it, dude.

 

Off to do Turin's ISO.

 

Does "nothing particularly scummy" with it mean you are leaning town on Dice?  Or is he still null?

 

 

Fun fact: Started to type "leaning Dice on town?".  I will be posting signups for "Proofreading Your Posts Mafia" shortly.

dice do you ever get annoyed how much i like posting that post

 

sometimes i just like hearing myself talk

Clov, three SHATS, who do you take out of the game at this moment?

Cory, since you have Tina so high, would you agree that her pointing out you not townreading her at that point was probably a good sign?  

 

My line of thinking was, if somebody was just spot on all the time in reading me (both ways) - even if I have very little substance - them suddenly having me null would lead me to think they might KNOW my alignment and just not want to clear me.

Cory, since you have Tina so high, would you agree that her pointing out you not townreading her at that point was probably a good sign?  

 

My line of thinking was, if somebody was just spot on all the time in reading me (both ways) - even if I have very little substance - them suddenly having me null would lead me to think they might KNOW my alignment and just not want to clear me.

 

I have Tina as a > villager lean mostly because A) I doubt she goes out of her way to poke me like that as mafia in general; her post IRT me was actually a pretty good post. I guess there is a CHANCE she is concerned that I could go @ her really hard if she didn't do something, but I think the BIGGER indicator is her push on dice. I don't think mafia!Tina ever goes outright against consensus like that, especially knowing that I'm already not townreading her at that instant and that I'm pseudo-clearing dice.

 

I could see Tina thinking that way as well, but I hope she understands that despite all evidence otherwise I am not, in fact, psychic

Okay maybe I'm a little psychic