not sure why everyone is townreading Zander atm but maybe you're right glgl

 

i think i MIGHT be able to read him but i've only seen him once, so glgl me, will have to crank up the Rube Goldberg Soulread Machine

I have Zander as a light town read due to relaxed posting and interaction, easy reads, and although it's a bit generalised I don't see someone who was just lynched Day 1 as town coming in posting when feeling bad and hung over. As with last game it's a muted read due to the fact it's Zander.

 

 

I assume you mean the bold to apply to when they're maria.

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best of luck.

Let's think a moment...

 

Questions:

Do you think Ithi is faking her claim as mafia? Then say so and vote her for it.

Do you think she is faking her claim as Town? Then back off cause there must be a reason for it.

Do you think she is telling the truth and is a Survivor that has basically thrown her lot in with town? Then at the very least you should be following along with Cory's (I think) idea that she could always be lynched if we are ever at lylo+1. Or even more to my opinion just treat her as town. If a couple mafia get lynched then they might have to shoot her at night possibly letting a townie live an extra night.

 

Who would want to get the claimed out the gate, pretty much tied to town Survivor lynched as soon as possible? 

 

Final question: Who is she being a liability to? 

 

 

I was pretty confident on you being town prior to this.  REALLY like you to be town now.

Questions:

1. Do you think Ithi is faking her claim as mafia? Then say so and vote her for it.

2. Do you think she is faking her claim as Town? Then back off cause there must be a reason for it.

3. Do you think she is telling the truth and is a Survivor that has basically thrown her lot in with town? Then at the very least you should be following along with Cory's (I think) idea that she could always be lynched if we are ever at lylo+1. Or even more to my opinion just treat her as town. If a couple mafia get lynched then they might have to shoot her at night possibly letting a townie live an extra night.

 

4. Who would want to get the claimed out the gate, pretty much tied to town Survivor lynched as soon as possible? 

 

5. Final question: Who is she being a liability to?

1. No. I never really thought that would be a mafia fake claim.

2. No. Less chance of her doing it as Town than as scum.

3. Yes. I was 90% sure she was telling the truth BUT as I pointed out to Dice, just because you INTEND to throw your lot in with the Town doesn't mean that you will continue to. Your suggestion that we wait until lylo +1 or whatever sounds good in theory but never really works out in practice because you typically need to nail SCUM in lylo +1.

4. I think mafia would have a vested interest in protecting the survivor. I know *I* did in Arthurian. It's one less person to worry about, people can tinfoil on the 3rd party actually being scum, AND you basically have a symp if you take the lead towards end game.

5. Town. Obviously I have the benefit of hindsight at this point but I've only seen "phase changer" as a 1x mafia role. So that wasn't very likely to HELP Town.

 

I'm going to look back at how people reacted to the claim but I'm already suspect of you, Dice, and Cory if you guys were pushing to keep her alive because I know you have all been in, moderated, mentored, or read and commented on games with 3rd party survivor wins within the last month or so.

IDK Yates I think Ithi might be faking her claim

I was pretty confident on you being town prior to this.  REALLY like you to be town now.

Is it because you think protecting 3rd party survivor was pro Town or because you would expect TURIN to think protecting 3rd party survivor was pro Town?

IDK Yates I think Ithi might be faking her claim

Do you have a post in here where you explain why you thought keeping Ithi around would be good for the Town? I'll ISO but if it's at your fingertips it will save me some time [because I don't have a lot].

Manbat is replacing Shadar.

 

IDK Yates I think Ithi might be faking her claim

Do you have a post in here where you explain why you thought keeping Ithi around would be good for the Town? I'll ISO but if it's at your fingertips it will save me some time [because I don't have a lot].

 

 

 

But IRT to Ithi if we're going to seriously discuss claimaments and stuff like that, the policy for a survivor is just to always lynch them at LYLO-1 just to be safe. Mechanically it'd probably be moderately short-sighted for her to draw attention to herself like that as Mafia, she's been super active (!!) and if she is indeed TP Mafia is the much, much bigger priority

 

Otherwise she seems to be MAKING READS and PUSHING THE GAME FORWARD, which is a trait that is inherently EXTREMELY VALUABLE considering the typical level of floundering here, so to me it's worth absolutely zero discussion and while I think Leyrann was coming from a villagery place it's also worth noting that I think that line of thought is incorrect in gereal

 

 

LMK if you want to fight about this for 4-5 pages, I have to stay up to watch the Spurs game anyway

IDK Yates I think Ithi might be faking her claim

Also, Turin's questions came AFTER the Ithi flip. Troll fail.

 

I was pretty confident on you being town prior to this.  REALLY like you to be town now.

Is it because you think protecting 3rd party survivor was pro Town or because you would expect TURIN to think protecting 3rd party survivor was pro Town?

 

 

It's because the point he seems to be making in that post is that Darthe - who, if you've caught up entirely, you know was less than hospitable towards her - should act in a way that is consistent with their beliefs on her claim.  I don't really care if somebody believed the claim or not.  I care what they did with it once they've established their belief.

 

Darthe seemed pretty convinced she was playing a pro-town game and continued to be antagonistic towards her.  That's not helpful.

 

IDK Yates I think Ithi might be faking her claim

Also, Turin's questions came AFTER the Ithi flip. Troll fail.

 

If I were trolling you, you would know it

LMK if you want to fight about this for 4-5 pages, I have to stay up to watch the Spurs game anyway

Meh. I believe that you believe this theory. I'm not going to argue about all the reasons I disagree because it's over.

 

Have you ever seen a phase changer role before? If so, what party was it? Also, could you see it being used in a pro-Town way?

It's because the point he seems to be making in that post is that Darthe - who, if you've caught up entirely, you know was less than hospitable towards her - should act in a way that is consistent with their beliefs on her claim.  I don't really care if somebody believed the claim or not.  I care what they did with it once they've established their belief.

 

Darthe seemed pretty convinced she was playing a pro-town game and continued to be antagonistic towards her.  That's not helpful.

K. I'll keep my eye out. I kind of gave up on reading to play in some real time when I saw people here.

I googled it and came up with nothing

Never heard of it or seen it before, I assume it changes phases (lol) but I have no idea what the actual IMPLICATIONS for that are

I have thoughts on this topic, but I'm relatively convinced it's a completely worthless discussion to have.

 

On a side note, Cory - did you ever follow up with the seph stuff?

I googled it and came up with nothing

Never heard of it or seen it before, I assume it changes phases (lol) but I have no idea what the actual IMPLICATIONS for that are

K. Here it is on MS. As you can see, it was a 1x mafia role. The implication is clearly that this would be anti-Town, yes?

im confused by the phase changer thing

Be back in a bit.

I think the real question is whether that is a Mafia or town kill

 

Like if Darthe is Mafia I could see them wanting to shut her up ASAP

 

Probably the only thing worth wondering about unless RTE would like to explain what Phase Changer means

 

I googled it and came up with nothing

Never heard of it or seen it before, I assume it changes phases (lol) but I have no idea what the actual IMPLICATIONS for that are

K. Here it is on MS. As you can see, it was a 1x mafia role. The implication is clearly that this would be anti-Town, yes?

 

 

Here's what the role did in that game:

 

During one day phase, regardless of the game's mood, you may choose to change the mood of the game. An angry day will suddenly become depressed and vice / versa.

 

Context probably important in these things, friend

Considering she was a survivor I would say the implication is that her role would be pro-Survivor

 

That's my guess

But what do I know I'm just a drunk with too much time

hey cory sorry if i missed it but you have reads to share?

 

Questions:

1. Do you think Ithi is faking her claim as mafia? Then say so and vote her for it.

2. Do you think she is faking her claim as Town? Then back off cause there must be a reason for it.

3. Do you think she is telling the truth and is a Survivor that has basically thrown her lot in with town? Then at the very least you should be following along with Cory's (I think) idea that she could always be lynched if we are ever at lylo+1. Or even more to my opinion just treat her as town. If a couple mafia get lynched then they might have to shoot her at night possibly letting a townie live an extra night.

 

4. Who would want to get the claimed out the gate, pretty much tied to town Survivor lynched as soon as possible? 

 

5. Final question: Who is she being a liability to?

1. No. I never really thought that would be a mafia fake claim.

2. No. Less chance of her doing it as Town than as scum.

3. Yes. I was 90% sure she was telling the truth BUT as I pointed out to Dice, just because you INTEND to throw your lot in with the Town doesn't mean that you will continue to. Your suggestion that we wait until lylo +1 or whatever sounds good in theory but never really works out in practice because you typically need to nail SCUM in lylo +1.

4. I think mafia would have a vested interest in protecting the survivor. I know *I* did in Arthurian. It's one less person to worry about, people can tinfoil on the 3rd party actually being scum, AND you basically have a symp if you take the lead towards end game.

5. Town. Obviously I have the benefit of hindsight at this point but I've only seen "phase changer" as a 1x mafia role. So that wasn't very likely to HELP Town.

 

I'm going to look back at how people reacted to the claim but I'm already suspect of you, Dice, and Cory if you guys were pushing to keep her alive because I know you have all been in, moderated, mentored, or read and commented on games with 3rd party survivor wins within the last month or so.

 

3. So you believed and still thought that Ithi who is a force to be reckoned with would be able to switch her allegiance to mafia half way through when it was pretty much known that if things got anywhere near lylo she was gonna get lynched because it most likely meant that she had led a couple of mislynches thereby making all the tinfoil come out. Dice is a good player but he isn't going to be pushing many lynches to the station on his will alone. I would say she was firmly on the town side. 

 

4. Maybe under normal circumstances, but this was not some odd person claiming and being super coy about what was going on. She was putting in the work and looked to be firmly working in town's best interest. Again, I think there would be NO WAY she lives to end game to win with mafia. The rule is basically if she is alive day 3 and she hasn't lynched a mafia she is gonna be lynched that day.

 

Why couldn't it help town? it ends the current phase right. So if she is on line and ends night immediately thereby preventing all kills would that not be helpful? I will grant that it could be used to whatever purpose she chose but I am still on the side that she was here to help town.

 

Using this crazy role buff after the fact to justify a stance seems off to me.