Move BFG to green green

 

This sort of development is exciting for me 

Page 1 reads ftw

 

 

 

You've got to have a really solid meta for that to work and Ley's often baffles me.

 

 

Imagine if I used my brain for something other remembering every single post anyone has ever made in any Mafia game ever

 

So then people who are purposefully archaic or don't follow any guidelines of how they think they should play confuse you.

 

That makes a lot of sense.

 

 

If #454 is any indication, I confuse him, and I'm the most technically sound player there is.  

 

You've got a little derfff in you somewhere Clov.  <3 it and embrace the entropy

 

LMK if you want to fight about this for 4-5 pages, I have to stay up to watch the Spurs game anyway

Meh. I believe that you believe this theory. I'm not going to argue about all the reasons I disagree because it's over.

 

Have you ever seen a phase changer role before? If so, what party was it? Also, could you see it being used in a pro-Town way?

 

 

ive seen it as town once and been it as mafia once. it was called something else tho i think. the mafia one was one of ithis star wars ones...call to the senate thats what it was called iirc.  That woulda been the Revenge of the Sith game as i was the Emperor.

 

think it comes down to how its used. either way it can have negative effects for town. ending night immeadiately stops the cop as well as the kill for eg.

FWIW I will be working 6am-10pm tomorrow because soemtimes life is unfair and you have to suck it up

 

I'll check in as much as I can via phone

Cory's read of Ley is probably affecting my read of Ley

 

I don't remember any particularly important read on Ley you had previously so refresh me? If you had some BIG IMPORTANT POST about him and I missed it I apologize

I can't recall her ever using Socratic reasoning.  She usually doesn't stand out to me in early game and, albeit this could be bias, but the below really didn't sit well with me even compared to the other pushes on me (excepting Zanders who I mostly forgot about til rereading it just now).  

 

I'll probably do some more research later to make a better comparison, but I was trying to find a recent game of her's besides Psycho and saw that she played in A Wind in the Door in the main forum.  Compare these to what she's said so far.  Bold is parts I really want you to focus on:

 

 

 

 

 

Copied from another thread: "I went to a Christmas smorgasbord today. It was amazing, I tried a lot of things that I have never tasted before. I ate several different pickled herring, different kind of salmons, rabbit, duck, goose, wild boar, fallow deer, red deer, moose and even bear. Afterwards there was cheese and a lot of Christmas candy. I´m so stuffed that I can hardly move. "

 

 

Hard claim Survivor

 

Sleeper Service is one of two wolves

 

You guys find the other one

 

It's probably not Sili since Hoya went after him early and nobody seems rustled with his wagon, including him

 

You are claiming third party? 

 

[/unvote]

 

[v] Tommy [/v]

 

I have played in too many games were town lost because of third party players or claimed third party players. 

 

Just got to this Tina, sorry didn't see the first time:

 

Tell me about Manbat. (=Moster?)

 

 

Up to eight I have a bunch of pluses for monstr 

 

while his WIMMY opening is something he CAN do as mafia he's more likely to do it as a villager. i think he accumulated a good deal of wolf fatigue in the Champs game and I know he really wanted to be a villager in this game and in all honesty a lot of DMers considering "the big villagery open" to actually be relatively conspicuous and one asset that's big in monstr's scum game is that he's inconspicuous if that makes sense. he knows what will or will not get him intro trouble.

 

he continues to go strong, has at least one read i think he's more likely to make as a villager (sili town, which i think could be incorrect but i think monstr interpreting sili's lack of an early filter as villagery is pretty monstrish of him) and i appreciate the way he talks to me and to tom. it would be hard for him to take the line he took with tom irt to me getting aggressive around page ~7 - “it may be tiresome to you tom” - as a wolf. tom points out correctly that monstr doesn't usually get involved in spats between people he likes as a wolf, he usually just reads them villager and giggles

 

there are some things he does early that i log in the back of my mind as mildly mafian and he hasn't touched any of them. his posting just seems pure, filterless and we think similarly. i usually say "i can read monstr perfect by day 2 EOD" but i'm actually pretty close to just bluereading him outright today. i'm extremely confident he's a villager.

 

Okay. Thanks. Good to know.

 

 

So far I feel that Mish/Cory, Dice/Csarmi and Err is town. 

 

 

 

 

I´ve seen survivors in a lot of DM games but it´s often in larger games. This is my take:

 

1. If fake = mafia  -> lynch

 

2. If right then there are no guarantees that he will side with town. He does what needs to be done to win. He is not town!  -> lynch

 

3. A common fake claim for another 3rd party role (like sk)  -> lynch

 

 

I don´t know how many games I´ve been in where everyone says that we can lynch the survivor later and then town has lost. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Greeting, everyone!  Been out of mafia a while but here goes...

 

I have to admit this should be amusing to watch you try to read someone you've never seen before… commence!

 

 

yeahh.... it has started.... will take time getting used to tracking all new names for me..... 

 

I am going to say this now so I don't make dumb mistakes later:

 

I think I have a bad tendency to box out players I don't know very well. I haven't played with either of you before, so here's my tl;dr - my name is Cory, I tend to post a lot and get really involved in games. I'm very competitive. So here's a little quick question/answer for both of you - if it seems not game-related or inane please answer it anyway to humor me:

 

1 - Do you prefer being town or Mafia? What aspect of the game do you enjoy?

2 - What do you think makes you valuable as a townie?

3 - What do you think makes you valuable as Mafia?

 

Err, off the top of your head do you have any links from DM you think would be good examples of how you play as a villager and as Mafia? I will probably browse old games when I get the chance for myself but want to give you the opportunity to see what games you are proudest of.

 

 

:) i feel like being interviewed again before a new job :P

 

well i have played 3 games online so far.... however i have played a lot of mafia games with large group of people in the university. 

 

here are the games in the order i have played them

[redacted]

 

1. i have enjoyed playing as both townie and mafia. but i think it was more fun when playing mafia.

2. & 3. dont know about valuable but if i remember correctly (since the last game i played was in more then half a year ago), in the first few days i got suspected/lynched/killed because in the beginning of the game i tried to guess the dynamics of the game (may be over thinking them) e.g. guessing the number and role of mafias/godfather and special role players in the game. people who have played with me might be able to tell better. 

 

It sounds conversational and I like his avatar, thought it goes without saying it's a tone read premised on one post. The blue parts resonated with me. Nothing struck me as dishonest.

 

I get the feeling I'll confuse their gender at some point. Her/him. Talks like a she. Male avatar. Weird.

 

 

How could Err ever have posted answers to these that would sound dishonest? Why would anyone lie in an answer like this? Why does Sili take this as a town tell? As he says, from just one post. I´m not sure if it´s a fluff post (trying to look active) or pre defending Err or whatever. 

 

 

Can you tell me what all of your names are on other sites - I get a bit confused.

 

 

I don´t the emo posts. I don´t know what to do with them. Is it:

 

1. Genuine feelings? If so, I don´t get what started it.

2. Some kind of game play/checking people´s reactions/setting traps etc? If so, I don´t find it to be an enjoyable gamestyle.

3. Trolling? If so, just stop.

 

I could absolutely follow Dice and Csarmi on Tommy. I´m still on Sili because he seams to play a bit cautious. I think that a Tommy lynch would give me some info about other players. 

 

I´m not sure about Manbat. Some of his posts look townie but I didn´t like that he stopped talking to me but turned to Cory to ask about me instead and then just agreed with him. I´m not sure about his oppinions about Tommy either. He seems to be on the fence about him. But as you can see, I´m on the fence about Manbat. 

You have a nice level of paranoia. I can understand it but you have some wacky reads.

 

fwiw we don't lynch for information. that is never happening here.

 

 

He has still not starting to suspect me here. I´m having a "nice level of paranoia" that he "can understand". = It looks like he knows I´m town and trying to win me over by being nice.

 

 

 

 

Final one is chopped so that it fits, but you can see the full post here if you need it.  Shouldn't really matter though.  LMK what you think.

Remind me what Tina's stance on Ithi was?

 

About Ithi - Ithi has claimed third party. She is not town! Seph said it well - third party do whatever they can to win. Whatever most of you want to believe, Ithi will side with mafia if she think it benefits her. I do believe her claim and I do believe that we have got to get rid of her eventually. I´ve seen town loose several times since the believed in the townieness of third party players. 

Or, "literally the exact same thing."  I think she made a previous comment about usually trying to lynch them without getting a lot of support.

Official Vote Count

 

Tina (1/7) - Darthe

 

Zander (1/7) - Tina

 

Darthe (2/7) - Turin, Zander

 

Seph (1/7) - Dice

 

Ley (1/7) - Cory

 

Not Voting: Sooh, Manbat, Yates, Seph, BFG, Ley, Clov 

 

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. 

 

Deadline here!

10. PRINT "Dead again on Day 1 "

20. GOTO 10

 

RUN

lol ithi

Due to my own mistake I have no internet on my laptop today. I will have to use my phone, which I'm not fond of.

 

I think Cory said it better than me about why I started to change my mind about Ley. In his case I think volume is important when finding out his alignment.

 

I don't get what Darthe is saying. Like literally. Could be English confusion again. I don't feel that he is trying to be helpful.

 

No idea arguing about Ithi and her abilities and weather they would be pro town or not. They would be pro Ithi and there is not much more to discuss.

 

I see what you all are saying about Dice. I will consider it. Still didn't like his post about Darthe and Zander but I'll let it go for now.

 

Yates focused a lot on Ithi. Did he give any reads? Could have missed it.

 

Don't get a feeling one way or another on Sooh or BFG.

 

Still willing to lynch Zander. Could move to Darthe or Ley. I prefer Zander though. The last posts have been mostly fluff.

A few things I have before I go to bed.

Most of everything I have read is the same.

I wold still like to hear from dice and why he voted me, it seems he did it because I leaned mafia slightly on him?

I would like more to read on yates, I find it a coinidence he came back when ithi was day killed. So just keeping a eye out

this things huge so im gonna hack the bejeebus out of it

 

 

Dice I am suspicious of you 1st. I don't believe you have done anything to help the town.I have seen you prod some people but its pretty lax. for the most part almost all of your posts look like this up yo about page 13????????

 

 

dicetosser1, on 18 Apr 2015 - 6:27 PM, said:

so what are your thoughts on the game so far? what has struck you about people?

 

 

 

 

Leyrann, on 19 Apr 2015 - 02:22 AM, said:

Dice is town by the way.

 

Why?

 

You are asking people for there reads, or why they make them yet I have seen none by you. If there was it might have been 1 I can't find it though.

 

As to why I would lean sooh town and not you? well she had a big event planned, and still managed a post by page 9. While I see folks upset about me posting about me posting to post, you are accusing me of it, without even voicing ANYTHING.

 

Also sooh has attempted to give people here reads.

 

 

Sooh, on 19 Apr 2015 - 04:50 AM, said:

My reads so far, as you can see I really need to go back and do some ISOing on a few people, but at least this gives you all an idea of where I'm at  

 

And yes Tina, Stockholm is lovely!    Also you have a lot of really handsome men over there! RAWR!

 

1.Sooh – town

2.Tina – So very not sure about you yet. Despite your latest catch up I don't feel like I have a good read. I'll keep watching.

3.Zander (Mentored by Kaylee) – I understand where he's coming from. His early posts are totally in character, and I can see why he would redact when the same jumping on him happened here as in his first game. I really like your post # 195. That's how you should play and read people, and I should probably take my own advice there as well. You're in my null pile for now, because I clearly demonstrated in your first game that I can't read you. If you are mafia and fooling me, shame on you! lol

4.Darthe – You puzzle me this game. I haven't played with you much, but I was expecting you to do more reads. Granted the number of players who have been actively engaged in the game so far hasn't been great, but it's more than Ithi and Turin. What are some of your other reads? Please let me know so I may take you off from scum-lean.

5.Ithi – Third party survivor claim. I have no real reason not to believe you, and so far you seem invested in a town win. I will be watching closely though  

6.Shadar – Very low on content. I'll be looking forward to seeing more posts.

7.Dice – Also not too great on content. I was leaning town, but I see Tina has you as scum. That makes me interested in going back to do an ISO and see if I might have missed something. For now, null. I'll get back to reading you later.

8.Yates – Very much looking forward to reading your take.

9.seph (Mentored by Tress) – I like your analysis of a lot of the content here. It's short and to the point. I haven't seen anything I don't like. Town so far.

10.BFG – Little to no content. Strange to me why some have you as town. I'll give you a null and see what happens.

11.Turin – Effectively null to me at the moment. Nothing that gives me a clear idea if you're town or scum. I need to ISO to see if I can get a better idea then.

12.Ley – The quick vote on Ithi seemed strange to me, as it did to many others. You've said later that it was to get the game going, which is ok, but I would like to see some more content. It appears to me that there hasn't really been much outside of that discussion. Null with a slight scum lean.

13.Cory – Town. I'm pretty sure you could easily trick me into believing that, but that's all I have at the moment. You play exactly how I would think you would play town, so I'm going with that for now.

14.Clov – Town. Solid. Same comment as on Cory actually. Pretty sure you could fool me if you wanted to.  

 

I'm going to go back and do some more ISOs, and then hopefully have someone to vote at the end of it.

 

 

 

 

Your absolutely right I prodded some people. Its D1 and day 1 is all about info. Town doesnt have any. Mafia does. Town NEEDS as much info as quick as possible. best way to get info? get people to talk ESPECIALLY if you can get them to answer WHY they said something. Then you get to see their thinking. You get to compare it to what you know of the PERSON and to what you know of them as a MAFIA player. If you are REALLY good at it  like a cory  you can sometimes figure out if they are town or not off one reply.

 

WHY is the most powerful question you can ask. an answer opens doors and not always doors you realize you opened when you answered.

 

You say I didnt make any reads  I came out UNEQUIVOCALLY regarding Ithi being 3rd party and my belief that she would side with Town. thats a read.  I took a swipe at Darthe. I meant it as a kinda wake up call i guess, let him know i was reading him and that i wasnt keen on what i was seeing but that I had a weird thought in my head that was stopping me voting him.  that was a pretty obvious LEAN which is a read. Now darthe wont care WHAT my read of him is. He knows Town tends to ignore my pushes but its a little nudge to let him know im here.

 

Its also D1 and D1 reads often suck. Im kinda lucky. Im a gut player. ESPECIALLY D1. If i have an instinctual reaction to something I am often right. There are people who, as soon as I do that, instantly read me. That can be an advantage D1   if it goes off.

 

Allright lets look at the next section.

 

 

If this doesnt make sense ask.

 

 

 

Now Sooh  I have sooh firmly in the null pile but down towards the mafia end. Simply because her content hasnt really spoken to me. I understand her read of me. or think i do. Sooh is one, like Zander I think, who learnt that the person you see in the Orgs and the person you see in a Mafia game are sometimes totally different people. so i figure she is gonna be pretty cautious of her reads of me.

A lot of her other reads seem pretty safe to  me. clov and Cory are no brainers for eg. People with low or no content...you just say that. 

this things huge so im gonna hack the bejeebus out of it

 

 

Dice I am suspicious of you 1st. I don't believe you have done anything to help the town.I have seen you prod some people but its pretty lax. for the most part almost all of your posts look like this up yo about page 13????????

 

 

dicetosser1, on 18 Apr 2015 - 6:27 PM, said:

so what are your thoughts on the game so far? what has struck you about people?

 

 

 

 

Leyrann, on 19 Apr 2015 - 02:22 AM, said:

Dice is town by the way.

 

Why?

 

You are asking people for there reads, or why they make them yet I have seen none by you. If there was it might have been 1 I can't find it though.

 

As to why I would lean sooh town and not you? well she had a big event planned, and still managed a post by page 9. While I see folks upset about me posting about me posting to post, you are accusing me of it, without even voicing ANYTHING.

 

Also sooh has attempted to give people here reads.

 

 

Sooh, on 19 Apr 2015 - 04:50 AM, said:

My reads so far, as you can see I really need to go back and do some ISOing on a few people, but at least this gives you all an idea of where I'm at   

 

And yes Tina, Stockholm is lovely!     Also you have a lot of really handsome men over there! RAWR!

 

1.Sooh – town

2.Tina – So very not sure about you yet. Despite your latest catch up I don't feel like I have a good read. I'll keep watching.

3.Zander (Mentored by Kaylee) – I understand where he's coming from. His early posts are totally in character, and I can see why he would redact when the same jumping on him happened here as in his first game. I really like your post # 195. That's how you should play and read people, and I should probably take my own advice there as well. You're in my null pile for now, because I clearly demonstrated in your first game that I can't read you. If you are mafia and fooling me, shame on you! lol

4.Darthe – You puzzle me this game. I haven't played with you much, but I was expecting you to do more reads. Granted the number of players who have been actively engaged in the game so far hasn't been great, but it's more than Ithi and Turin. What are some of your other reads? Please let me know so I may take you off from scum-lean.

5.Ithi – Third party survivor claim. I have no real reason not to believe you, and so far you seem invested in a town win. I will be watching closely though   

6.Shadar – Very low on content. I'll be looking forward to seeing more posts.

7.Dice – Also not too great on content. I was leaning town, but I see Tina has you as scum. That makes me interested in going back to do an ISO and see if I might have missed something. For now, null. I'll get back to reading you later.

8.Yates – Very much looking forward to reading your take.

9.seph (Mentored by Tress) – I like your analysis of a lot of the content here. It's short and to the point. I haven't seen anything I don't like. Town so far.

10.BFG – Little to no content. Strange to me why some have you as town. I'll give you a null and see what happens.

11.Turin – Effectively null to me at the moment. Nothing that gives me a clear idea if you're town or scum. I need to ISO to see if I can get a better idea then.

12.Ley – The quick vote on Ithi seemed strange to me, as it did to many others. You've said later that it was to get the game going, which is ok, but I would like to see some more content. It appears to me that there hasn't really been much outside of that discussion. Null with a slight scum lean.

13.Cory – Town. I'm pretty sure you could easily trick me into believing that, but that's all I have at the moment. You play exactly how I would think you would play town, so I'm going with that for now.

14.Clov – Town. Solid. Same comment as on Cory actually. Pretty sure you could fool me if you wanted to.  

 

I'm going to go back and do some more ISOs, and then hopefully have someone to vote at the end of it.

 

 

 

 

Your absolutely right I prodded some people. Its D1 and day 1 is all about info. Town doesnt have any. Mafia does. Town NEEDS as much info as quick as possible. best way to get info? get people to talk ESPECIALLY if you can get them to answer WHY they said something. Then you get to see their thinking. You get to compare it to what you know of the PERSON and to what you know of them as a MAFIA player. If you are REALLY good at it  like a cory  you can sometimes figure out if they are town or not off one reply.

 

WHY is the most powerful question you can ask. an answer opens doors and not always doors you realize you opened when you answered.

 

You say I didnt make any reads  I came out UNEQUIVOCALLY regarding Ithi being 3rd party and my belief that she would side with Town. thats a read.  I took a swipe at Darthe. I meant it as a kinda wake up call i guess, let him know i was reading him and that i wasnt keen on what i was seeing but that I had a weird thought in my head that was stopping me voting him.  that was a pretty obvious LEAN which is a read. Now darthe wont care WHAT my read of him is. He knows Town tends to ignore my pushes but its a little nudge to let him know im here.

 

Its also D1 and D1 reads often suck. Im kinda lucky. Im a gut player. ESPECIALLY D1. If i have an instinctual reaction to something I am often right. There are people who, as soon as I do that, instantly read me. That can be an advantage D1   if it goes off.

 

Allright lets look at the next section.

 

 

If this doesnt make sense ask.

 

As I said before I want to take in everything about how people have played in the past, as that seems to be the way to go, since you all tend to quote past games often. (the meta apparently) and I have this to go off of.

 

 

#1

 

TinaHel, on 19 Apr 2015 - 03:55 AM, said:

Many of you have Dice as town and I wonder why. I don´t like his posts very much. This is what he has to say about Zander and Darthe, the two I´m most suspicious of. 

 

 

dicetosser1, on 18 Apr 2015 - 5:01 PM, said:

 

Ithillian, on 18 Apr 2015 - 07:44 AM, said:

 

Zander, on 18 Apr 2015 - 07:40 AM, said:

honestly im experiencing an epic hangover so my brain is jumbled

Im wondering why you'd post in a mafia game if you feel so terrible. Why was it so important lol

 

 

Im reading early posts by Zander as typical Zander. he was whinging about that hangover in the Band too lol. So he started out consistent. that makes me think town but im not putting the farm on it. his tone changes where hes talking back and forth with Turin but then I kinda think it has too. the way he acts in the boards would get him lynched quick in mafia. Am watching him tho

 

Ithillian, on 18 Apr 2015 - 11:58 AM, said:

I'm still not actually Town though.

 

 

Leyrann, on 18 Apr 2015 - 12:04 PM, said:

 

Ithillian, on 18 Apr 2015 - 12:03 PM, said:

 

Leyrann, on 18 Apr 2015 - 12:02 PM, said:

It's never too early to get rid of symps.

Vote: Ithi

Not a symp. Just a survivor. I don't know how to play any other way lol

 

 

Of course.

 

Hey, we can also stick to the rule "lynch all confirmed non-town when in doubt" instead. But don't you want to be done with it just now?

 

obviously ive been ninjad but you see ithis post above? Do you REALLY think that ITHI of all people will play AGAINST town as a survivor? or that she'd fake claim survivor? Cause I dont. 

 

And whats with the symp bit? What makes you think that? you may have answered this and i missed it but if not make with the splainy.

 

 

the enlarged bit.  Zanders new. Think he's played one game. Most people here havent played with him.

I interact a lot with Zander as you know. Well this? This is me saying he's being true to his usual self. thats it. That simple. I liked the tone of it because he was being true.

 

Blue me asking a why question that Ley can most definetly answer. he has played with ithi a bunch of times. Im trying to get in his head.

 

Pitiful.  Defending her this heavy before page 5?  It looks like you know her alignment already.

 

 

you should totally expect that. and you know it. Over all Darthe your pushing on  ithi and turin is terrible. Only thing stopping my vote is that I dont think you play THIS bad if mafia. I think you are much more calculating as mafia then as town.

 

Having said that it wont take much more scummy play to make my vote happen.

 

 

Covered this a little im calling attention to something Darthe knows and that we know he knows. or should know

 

 

dicetosser1, on 18 Apr 2015 - 6:18 PM, said:

your absolutely right about him being more rigid.that a really good word for it. but i kinda expect it from him. think he's gonna find like i did that there needs to be a difference between Social Orgs Dice and Mafia game Dice.

 

im willing to give him a little time

 

 

Darthe is playing too bad to be mafia??? And talk about protecting Zander while saying that you need to watch him. Why would him saying he has a hangover explain those posts of his even though he said he had a hangover in another thead? 

 

 

Red is my weird idea i mentioned earlier.

corycurren, on 12 Dec 2014 - 11:56 AM, said:

 

Let's talk about how to read dice. I've played ~14 games with him and in the course of those games read several of his older wolf games. This ish has worked for me quite reliably. Maybe it'll help you.

 

Content-wise, dice's reads are more complex as a villager. He comes up with wolf reads backed by original reasoning that call attention to him. As a wolf, he posts reads, but they're pretty basic stuff and he tends to miss or ignore significant things. On occasion he has trouble judging how confident he should be in his reads.

 

Tonally, dice tends to sound looser as a villager. There's an emotional component to his reactions that is often missing as a wolf. He comes across as more committed to his reads. When he's wolfing, he may try posting a bit of fluff here and there, usually early in a game, but mostly he comes across as grimly determined to fulfill his role.

 

He has a volume tell. He's aware of it and might conceivably try to address it in the short term when he's wolfing, but still, it's there. This would already be his highest posting wolf game of all time.

 

We're left with a situation in which he's either playing his best wolf game ever, by some distance, or he's a villager. Obviously someone who has played 85 long games is more likely to be a villager than to have finally learned how to post like his villager self on his 14th try as a wolf.

 

 

 

OK  first off I love this post. I always do. Cory pulls it out every now and then. its accurate, its positive and it makes me smile

 

Blue  I tend to come from left field with stuff because I think differently to most other players i guess. Some people dont understand me because of it. Same thing happens to Thane.

 

Tones a big thing with me. I said I go with my gut but I also pay a lot of attention to HOW people say things. I kinda give them all their own voice and if their tone of voice seems off it jumps at me

 

the green often ends up with me in big barneys with people like tommy or sili lol.  Town still doesnt listen to me tho lol

 

There not sure how much more I can give you so you see me clearly.

 

 

like i said if it doesnt make sense feel free to hit me up.

 

 

I can't recall her ever using Socratic reasoning. She usually doesn't stand out to me in early game and, albeit this could be bias, but the below really didn't sit well with me even compared to the other pushes on me (excepting Zanders who I mostly forgot about til rereading it just now).

I'll probably do some more research later to make a better comparison, but I was trying to find a recent game of her's besides Psycho and saw that she played in A Wind in the Door in the main forum. Compare these to what she's said so far. Bold is parts I really want you to focus on:

 

 

 

 

 

Copied from another thread: "I went to a Christmas smorgasbord today. It was amazing, I tried a lot of things that I have never tasted before. I ate several different pickled herring, different kind of salmons, rabbit, duck, goose, wild boar, fallow deer, red deer, moose and even bear. Afterwards there was cheese and a lot of Christmas candy. I´m so stuffed that I can hardly move. "

 

 

 

Hard claim Survivor

 

Sleeper Service is one of two wolves

 

You guys find the other one

 

It's probably not Sili since Hoya went after him early and nobody seems rustled with his wagon, including him

You are claiming third party?

 

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[v] Tommy [/v]

 

I have played in too many games were town lost because of third party players or claimed third party players.

Just got to this Tina, sorry didn't see the first time:

 

Tell me about Manbat. (=Moster?)

 

Up to eight I have a bunch of pluses for monstr

 

while his WIMMY opening is something he CAN do as mafia he's more likely to do it as a villager. i think he accumulated a good deal of wolf fatigue in the Champs game and I know he really wanted to be a villager in this game and in all honesty a lot of DMers considering "the big villagery open" to actually be relatively conspicuous and one asset that's big in monstr's scum game is that he's inconspicuous if that makes sense. he knows what will or will not get him intro trouble.

 

he continues to go strong, has at least one read i think he's more likely to make as a villager (sili town, which i think could be incorrect but i think monstr interpreting sili's lack of an early filter as villagery is pretty monstrish of him) and i appreciate the way he talks to me and to tom. it would be hard for him to take the line he took with tom irt to me getting aggressive around page ~7 - “it may be tiresome to you tom” - as a wolf. tom points out correctly that monstr doesn't usually get involved in spats between people he likes as a wolf, he usually just reads them villager and giggles

 

there are some things he does early that i log in the back of my mind as mildly mafian and he hasn't touched any of them. his posting just seems pure, filterless and we think similarly. i usually say "i can read monstr perfect by day 2 EOD" but i'm actually pretty close to just bluereading him outright today. i'm extremely confident he's a villager.

Okay. Thanks. Good to know.

 

 

So far I feel that Mish/Cory, Dice/Csarmi and Err is town.

 

 

I´ve seen survivors in a lot of DM games but it´s often in larger games. This is my take:

 

1. If fake = mafia -> lynch

 

2. If right then there are no guarantees that he will side with town. He does what needs to be done to win. He is not town! -> lynch

 

3. A common fake claim for another 3rd party role (like sk) -> lynch

 

 

I don´t know how many games I´ve been in where everyone says that we can lynch the survivor later and then town has lost.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Greeting, everyone! Been out of mafia a while but here goes...

 

I have to admit this should be amusing to watch you try to read someone you've never seen before… commence!

yeahh.... it has started.... will take time getting used to tracking all new names for me.....

I am going to say this now so I don't make dumb mistakes later:

 

I think I have a bad tendency to box out players I don't know very well. I haven't played with either of you before, so here's my tl;dr - my name is Cory, I tend to post a lot and get really involved in games. I'm very competitive. So here's a little quick question/answer for both of you - if it seems not game-related or inane please answer it anyway to humor me:

 

1 - Do you prefer being town or Mafia? What aspect of the game do you enjoy?

2 - What do you think makes you valuable as a townie?

3 - What do you think makes you valuable as Mafia?

 

Err, off the top of your head do you have any links from DM you think would be good examples of how you play as a villager and as Mafia? I will probably browse old games when I get the chance for myself but want to give you the opportunity to see what games you are proudest of.

:) i feel like being interviewed again before a new job :P

 

well i have played 3 games online so far.... however i have played a lot of mafia games with large group of people in the university.

 

here are the games in the order i have played them[redacted]

 

 

1. i have enjoyed playing as both townie and mafia. but i think it was more fun when playing mafia.

2. & 3. dont know about valuable but if i remember correctly (since the last game i played was in more then half a year ago), in the first few days i got suspected/lynched/killed because in the beginning of the game i tried to guess the dynamics of the game (may be over thinking them) e.g. guessing the number and role of mafias/godfather and special role players in the game. people who have played with me might be able to tell better.

It sounds conversational and I like his avatar, thought it goes without saying it's a tone read premised on one post. The blue parts resonated with me. Nothing struck me as dishonest.

 

I get the feeling I'll confuse their gender at some point. Her/him. Talks like a she. Male avatar. Weird.

How could Err ever have posted answers to these that would sound dishonest? Why would anyone lie in an answer like this? Why does Sili take this as a town tell? As he says, from just one post. I´m not sure if it´s a fluff post (trying to look active) or pre defending Err or whatever.

 

 

Can you tell me what all of your names are on other sites - I get a bit confused.

 

 

I don´t the emo posts. I don´t know what to do with them. Is it:

 

1. Genuine feelings? If so, I don´t get what started it.

2. Some kind of game play/checking people´s reactions/setting traps etc? If so, I don´t find it to be an enjoyable gamestyle.

3. Trolling? If so, just stop.

 

I could absolutely follow Dice and Csarmi on Tommy. I´m still on Sili because he seams to play a bit cautious. I think that a Tommy lynch would give me some info about other players.

 

I´m not sure about Manbat. Some of his posts look townie but I didn´t like that he stopped talking to me but turned to Cory to ask about me instead and then just agreed with him. I´m not sure about his oppinions about Tommy either. He seems to be on the fence about him. But as you can see, I´m on the fence about Manbat.

You have a nice level of paranoia. I can understand it but you have some wacky reads.

 

fwiw we don't lynch for information. that is never happening here.

He has still not starting to suspect me here. I´m having a "nice level of paranoia" that he "can understand". = It looks like he knows I´m town and trying to win me over by being nice.

 

 

Final one is chopped so that it fits, but you can see the full post here if you need it. Shouldn't really matter though. LMK what you think.

I'll be damned if that isn't almost copied.

Forgot to read up yesterday evening and a LOT of new posts now, I think I can catch up this evening. Will also cast my final vote then, seeing as how I won't be around after that, except maybe the 30 minutes before deadline (which I will probably spend catching up).

I'll probably do some more research later to make a better comparison, but I was trying to find a recent game of her's besides Psycho and saw that she played in A Wind in the Door in the main forum.

Actually, thanks for this reminder. I forgot Tommy claimed Survivor as Scum in that game and that Cory was even in it.

 

I'll probably stop caring if you guys lynch Tommy, he's either trying out a new trick (which I doubt) or just telling the truth

 

Here's one major tip to reading him - when does he ever look bad as Mafia here? He's been lynched Day 1 once here and he was a Town PR that game and lynched for not playing pro-town or whatever. You guys I think are just not great at reading him, as he typically assumes control as a wolf and y'all buy into it.

 

If he's a survivor lynching him is basically no different than lynching a townie. We need to lynch the Mafia to win, so that's who I want to lynch.

What I love about this quote is that it serves three purposes for me.

1. It adds to my philosophy that lynching 3rd Party Survivor claims is almost always in Town's best interest.

2. It shows Cory being wrong - and he needs some humble pie from time to time. [ ]

3. It makes me feel better about how Cory treated the Survivor claim.

 

About Ithi - Ithi has claimed third party. She is not town! Seph said it well - third party do whatever they can to win. Whatever most of you want to believe, Ithi will side with mafia if she think it benefits her. I do believe her claim and I do believe that we have got to get rid of her eventually. I´ve seen town loose several times since the believed in the townieness of third party players. 

 

This actually makes me feel good about Tina as well. She is at least consistent in how she treats 3rd party claims as Town.

10. PRINT "Dead again on Day 1 "

20. GOTO 10

 

RUN

BASIC? Seriously? Wow. Reminds me of my boyhood spending hours typing code on my trash-80 to play hangman, saving said code to cassette tape, and finding said tape only works like 3 times before developing errors. 80's 8-bit props.

 

Sorry, Ithi, but roll Town next time.

Yates focused a lot on Ithi. Did he give any reads? Could have missed it.

No. I haven't read the game yet. I was trying to talk in real time prior to catching up and knew I wouldn't have time to do that until today. The Ithi claim was something I felt needed to be addressed and didn't require me to read the game to have an opinion on.

 

I'll have some reads out this afternoon.