Who are you convinced is mafia?

Darthe, would you please explain exactly what it is about me that you apparently find so scummy? You said something about my list post being wolftastic, but I think that's about it. I just don't get where you're coming from.

You don't think it's an issue to have a not lynching/town pool larger than the amount of townies in the game?

No, I don't, and I've already addressed that in multiple posts. See the bolded black areas below:

 

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I read Maw's post as saying he wasn't willing to lynch anyone else as per now.

That is my fault, and I apologize. I should have been more clear. Ley and Talya are the two people I feel would be most beneficial as Day One lynches. I could be convinced to vote a couple other people, but those two I have the strongest feelings about. In addition, this is NOT a comprehensive list of who I think are mafioso, and I don't see why people took it as such. It's not a list of who I think should never be lynched ever in the entire game, merely people who I think should survive day one. It will be updated as time goes on and more information is gathered. Finally, no, I do not want to vote myself. I feel that should be obvious, but I included my name on my list so the entire roster would be represented. I'm fairly sure no one wants to vote themselves (save a jester or something else weird), and am rather confused that that is even a point worth arguing over.

 

I'm happy with my vote where it is for the moment.

 

 

 

 

Ley apparently I am not the only one who read it like that, but that is how I took it, and I found it frustrating. 
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what is your opinion on others?

 

I don't really have anything clear on others, it generally takes me a bit longer to form an opinion on people. Basically, everyone starts out in null and drifts to one side or another depending on what they do, and this game hasn't been that active, so there hasn't been that many drifting.

 

 

Ley is snarky the same way Darthe is Darthe-y. I don't think too much of it myself. When Ley went full derp all game long last game I just ignored it. So far he's been more clear- (and less dense) headed. 

 

I don't want to play with snarky, I play to enjoy it, and won't put up with snark, I've had it a few times this game already. Why can't people play nicely. We are here to enjy tthis, not tto geet one over, or say people shouldn't play.

 

 

I'm sorry Talya. Should have worded things differently.

 

Ley the way you wrote that could be taken both ways. I also thought your "explanation" was a bit condescending and if aimed at me I would have taken it as rude and gone you for it.

 

Actually, no, it couldn't be taken both ways. I had a special post explaining why it was not ambigious, and where I should have placed it if it should be taken the other way, and where it would be ambigious.

 

 

Welcome to today's episode of To Lynch Or Not To Lynch. I'm your host, Mawthtex. Let's run through our contestants:

 

Sooh: Not. She's been fairly quiet, but when she contributes her posts seem pretty sound. Not entirely sure about her though.

Darthe: Not. I dislike his playstyle but apparently it's normal and no one else seems to be concerned about it, so we can deal with it in the future.

Thane: Not. I like his impressions of the game and his play so far.

Zander: Not. He was kind silent for a while, but he's been chiming in more lately. I think he bears watching, but I don't think he's today's lynch.

Talya: Lynch. She seems to be vibrating between being quite intelligent and misreading key parts of posts. I would be willing to vote for her.

Corvhin: Not. His inexperience is showing, but he's putting forth a good effort.

Release The Evil: Not. I get the impression he's town, although not a strong one.

Mawthtex: Not. I like myself too much to lynch me.

AlannaLynn Not. We seem to think along the same lines, which suggests to me we are both looking out for the town's best interests.

Seph: Not. He seems to have a pretty good head on his shoulders most of the time, although he bears watching.

Verbal: Not. He seems to be playing a pretty strong town game so far.

Leyrann: Lynch. He's been playing more aggressively than helpfully. Not sure I quite understand where he's coming from, and I'd be willing to put a vote on him.

Dice: Not. I don't have a strong read on him but neither do I have suspicions.

 

So, to summarize, I think Leyrann or Talya should be the lynch today. They've played the spottiest of everyone here.

 

[v]Leyrann[/v]

 

Tell me why you shouldn't go down today.

 

 

Well, first of all, because I'm town. Second, because your whole "case" on me is based on me being annoyed that someone read my posts wrong. That's the weakest reason ever to lynch someone, and you're even getting people on the train somehow. Meanwhile your list is basically such, that there are not enough reads that are NOT town to form a mafia team, so you should probably examine again and look for more mistakes. We can't have 11 (or something) town in a 13 player game. It'll be 3 or (most likely, imo) 4 mafia, and you're barely even at that many "unsure" reads.

 

I agree with Maws assessment from whT I've read it seems pretty accurate. I still feel like I'm stumbling around in the dark but I imagine it will get better as the game progresses. I agree with the general consensus that Leyrann is being a bit aggressive. Based on what I've read and seen so far is a characteristic of wolf.

Vote: Leyrann

 

Characteristic of a bad wolf only. If you're mafia, you want to stay under the radar and survive without taking notice. Letting emotions get the better of you (like happened to me) is just a dumb thing for mafia. What you want to do is stay in the background and nudge lynches on bad-looking townies while shooting the good-looking ones at night.

 

We will go random before we lynch Ley today, just so everyone is clear on that.

Maw would be a good lynch btw

 

I would just like to point out that it's a hybrid hammer, so no majority is needed.

 

That said, I do agree with your opinion on Maw. He's risen up my list quite a bit with that not-willing-to-lynch nearly everyone. Far too closed down.

 

 

All right, first off: You're right. It wasn't that strong of a case. There hasn't been anything in this game that was particularly noteworthy, and so none of the cases are going to be particularly strong. 

 

Second (see the bold), it's an unreasonable expectation to have the entire mafia team pegged on the first day with barely 20 pages (15 of actual gameplay) existing. You blew that entirely out of proportion. There is no way to uncover the entire team day one, and furthermore there is no need to do so: you can only lynch one, so reaching and making cases on people who won't be relevant until day two is entirely unnecessary. It's better to focus on the strongest cases instead of overreaching and muddying the waters.

 

Third, and this is for both you and darthe: Why is it bad to be 'closed down', as you say? Why is it a bad thing to eliminate unlikely outcomes and limit your focus to actually accomplishing something, especially on day one where information is so limited?

 

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i don't think nor feel that there's anything off about his posts. I haven't played with him before, so i don't know his usual playstyle. That, for me, is something i prefer. I get a neatral look on him, unbiased. 

 

He looks fine to me, general gameplay is well within what i would like to see from town.

 

Well, what about him apparently thinking that ELEVEN people (10 if not counting himself) should NOT be lynched? He's basically veto'ing 80% of the game from his vote.

 

Ley people dont read in perfect grammar. Change where you take the breath on that sentence and the meaning changes. 

 

As for Maws list. Its D1. having two people he is willing to lynch seems reasonable to me. Do you expect him to have 4 picked out? Cause right now the only way someone could have 4 picked out is if they are mafia. Not enuff has happened for 4 people to have really stood out in a bad way.

 

The whole reason for commas is to show readers where to take a breath though. Because the sentence that brought all the fuzz was immediately behind the "who", it belongs to the "who" and not the "you". That's just how it is, I'm sorry.

 

 

its stuff like this that is not helping your case.  Not likely anyone is gonna have 4 maf leans day 1 with some people hardly posting at all.

 

 

I'm not saying you have to have X mafia leans, I'm saying you should not exclude 80% of the participants from your vote. If you're not willing to lynch someone, that means you are so sure this person is town that you're not gonna vote them, no matter what. At day 1, that's ABSURD.

 

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Why is that absurd? With such limited information available, and especially in a game where a majority is not needed today... Why is it harmful to limit the pool of suspects?

 

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Why do you think it's an issue to focus on the people you actually have any sort of read on day one?

i have a little catching up to do, i'm at work and will when i can

 

 

 

Welcome to today's episode of To Lynch Or Not To Lynch. I'm your host, Mawthtex. Let's run through our contestants:

 

Sooh: Not. She's been fairly quiet, but when she contributes her posts seem pretty sound. Not entirely sure about her though.

Darthe: Not. I dislike his playstyle but apparently it's normal and no one else seems to be concerned about it, so we can deal with it in the future.

Thane: Not. I like his impressions of the game and his play so far.

Zander: Not. He was kind silent for a while, but he's been chiming in more lately. I think he bears watching, but I don't think he's today's lynch.

Talya: Lynch. She seems to be vibrating between being quite intelligent and misreading key parts of posts. I would be willing to vote for her.

Corvhin: Not. His inexperience is showing, but he's putting forth a good effort.

Release The Evil: Not. I get the impression he's town, although not a strong one.

Mawthtex: Not. I like myself too much to lynch me.

AlannaLynn Not. We seem to think along the same lines, which suggests to me we are both looking out for the town's best interests.

Seph: Not. He seems to have a pretty good head on his shoulders most of the time, although he bears watching.

Verbal: Not. He seems to be playing a pretty strong town game so far.

Leyrann: Lynch. He's been playing more aggressively than helpfully. Not sure I quite understand where he's coming from, and I'd be willing to put a vote on him.

Dice: Not. I don't have a strong read on him but neither do I have suspicions.

 

So, to summarize, I think Leyrann or Talya should be the lynch today. They've played the spottiest of everyone here.

 

[v]Leyrann[/v]

 

Tell me why you shouldn't go down today.

 

 

Here you are.

 

 

youd think that the Red would clue someone with such excellent English in to the fact that he was talking about today.

 

 

dont know what Ley's meta/history is with Dice but im not feeling that vote..Dice seems to me like Town!Dice from the few games ive played with him imo.

 

anyone else have thoughts on Dice cause hes done nothing to ping me yet.

 

also waiting on Fu

 

I know it's not unlike his meta, but to be honest it feels like he's going further than he otherwise would, with the refusing to tell me exactly WHAT the problem is that is apparently worth a vote. I'm wondering if it's him trying to fake his town meta as mafia.

 

Or do I remember wrong and does he always refuse such questions? Thing is, I think I'd remember.

 

 

I pointed you right at it. it was even on the same page! If you don't know what your responses are thats your problem. Zander then QUOTED the thing! You finally respond to it then.

 

heres a point for you Ley. You wanna get all high and mighty and lecture people in a snarky way on how to read and comprehend? Then you had better expect people to get annoyed at you (believe me im thinking much stronger words) and start blasting at you. Especially when YOU fail at reading obvious things.

 

 

You guys don't lynch maw today and I'll vig myself. It'll be like darthicide

 

So Maw is off the table for today then. 

 

 

First post: Well, that sounded like part of the "joke", while the "NOT" after nearly everyone's name surely did not sound like that.

 

Second post: Well, if you point without quoting, I don't know what you're pointing to, because I can't see your finger. There's two computer screens in between. If you want me to respond to something, you have to CLEARLY tell me what post and what part of it. In fact, I STILL do not see where the problem was, despite apparently already having responded to it. I NEVER failed at reading something obvious, and if you think I did, well, give ME a lecture on what I read wrong and how I should have read it.

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[v] Corvhin [/v]

 

his posts are contradictory. Ley has moved up a bit due to recent play, and that makes Corvhin's 'defense' odd. Absolutely willing to go there (would be unlucky for him to roll scum first game, but it could have happened)

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[v] Corvhin [/v]

 

his posts are contradictory. Ley has moved up a bit due to recent play, and that makes Corvhin's 'defense' odd. Absolutely willing to go there (would be unlucky for him to roll scum first game, but it could have happened)

I was just reading his ISO (of 10 posts...) and noticed that he read Ley as snarky but nothing to be bothered by and then that Ley has been to aggressive and deserves a vote. His last post "I agree with the general consensus that Leyrann is being a bit aggressive. Based on what I've read and seen so far is a characteristic of wolf."

 

It is contradictory, but I also don't think a Corvhin lynch will garner enough information for today. I think the most info would come from lynching Talya, Mawt, or Ley.

between the three, i don't know anymore. They all sound like frustrated townie, but gut says: 'More chances with Ley being wolf'

 

Didn't play enough in the middle earth game to get an idea on Talya's play, and Mawt is completely new to me. 

between the three, i don't know anymore. They all sound like frustrated townie, but gut says: 'More chances with Ley being wolf'

 

Didn't play enough in the middle earth game to get an idea on Talya's play, and Mawt is completely new to me.

I started responding and my friend's internet went out. Ugh

 

What I wanted to say is that I'm not seeing the case on Mawt, he's been helpful and the whole case against him is over his reads list and who he's willing to lunch today, which I really don't hve a problem with. The only exception to that reason was seph who I think voted him bc he responded to a post not directed at him and defended a vote on me. I do think his lych would give good info though, but I don't think he's mafia.

 

Talyas had a difficult game, she flubbed at the start with the Maw/Ley thing, went after seph about his Zander clear, and argued semantics with Ley. Haven't seen too much more from her, she seemed to drop off. But I have her in a scum lean right now because her interactions haven't really sat right with me.

 

Ley though has been rather aggressive this game and center to quite a few things, I think this lunch would give us the most information on several people. The "townie frustration" is leaning more toward scum stubbornness. He got really defensive with Talya and went really hard on Maws list; he's also had some interactions with Dice that are strange.

Internet is back. Woo! Also my previous post is chock-full of spelling errors, please ignore those and pretend they didn't happen. Thank you.

no worries, i think i make plenty of mistakes when typing a lot. 

 

I could go back to Ley, whose flip would indeed help town a lot. 

 

@Ley: would you be willing to take one for the team? 

It's hard because auto correct was fighting me and I think I sprained my thumb the other week (need to take a trip to the doctor), so phone-typing hurts

Lights will guide you home
And ignite your bones
And we will try to fix you

Csarmi is town, he's posting lyrics *nods*

between the three, i don't know anymore. They all sound like frustrated townie, but gut says: 'More chances with Ley being wolf'

 

Didn't play enough in the middle earth game to get an idea on Talya's play, and Mawt is completely new to me. 

 

You need a new gut.

 

 

between the three, i don't know anymore. They all sound like frustrated townie, but gut says: 'More chances with Ley being wolf'

 

Didn't play enough in the middle earth game to get an idea on Talya's play, and Mawt is completely new to me.

I started responding and my friend's internet went out. Ugh

 

What I wanted to say is that I'm not seeing the case on Mawt, he's been helpful and the whole case against him is over his reads list and who he's willing to lunch today, which I really don't hve a problem with. The only exception to that reason was seph who I think voted him bc he responded to a post not directed at him and defended a vote on me. I do think his lych would give good info though, but I don't think he's mafia.

 

Talyas had a difficult game, she flubbed at the start with the Maw/Ley thing, went after seph about his Zander clear, and argued semantics with Ley. Haven't seen too much more from her, she seemed to drop off. But I have her in a scum lean right now because her interactions haven't really sat right with me.

 

Ley though has been rather aggressive this game and center to quite a few things, I think this lunch would give us the most information on several people. The "townie frustration" is leaning more toward scum stubbornness. He got really defensive with Talya and went really hard on Maws list; he's also had some interactions with Dice that are strange.

 

 

I'd just like to mention that both ingame and out of it I'm known as pretty stubborn. I don't need to be mafia for that.

 

Going hard on Maw was part of that, by the way. I had only a slight stance on it at the start, but the arguing about it slowly pushed me more to an extreme.

 

no worries, i think i make plenty of mistakes when typing a lot. 

 

I could go back to Ley, whose flip would indeed help town a lot. 

 

@Ley: would you be willing to take one for the team? 

 

I don't like this comment. Here, you want to make me "take one for the team" which sounds like you don't think I'm mafia, yet a few posts earlier you called me your best scum read. On top of that, this post sounds like you're preferring "town with information" over "mafia without information". It doesn't sit right by me.

Haha, if it makes you feel any better, my RL snark throws a lot of people off. I tone it down for games though because apparently that gets you lynched?

 

You're verging on unreasonableness at times, fwiw.

 

Interesting point on Thane, though.

don't get me wrong Ley, i was just asking you if you would consider it, as a principle. A simple 'yes or no' would have been alright. Now that i see your reaction to it, it sounds a lot more defensive than it should.

 

It's true that you're not really on my town list, and here.... to me, it doesn't improve your situation.

you trying to get me mislynched again, Ley?

don't get me wrong Ley, i was just asking you if you would consider it, as a principle. A simple 'yes or no' would have been alright. Now that i see your reaction to it, it sounds a lot more defensive than it should.

 

It's true that you're not really on my town list, and here.... to me, it doesn't improve your situation.

 

It's not clear? I want a mafia lynched. Therefore, I don't want to get lynched myself, even if that might give more information.

 

you trying to get me mislynched again, Ley?

 

Eh, what are you talking about?

I think I'm gonna 

 

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[v] Thane [/v]

yeah, you're not going to find a wolf there....

 

so, for the progress of the game, you'd deny all other townplayers information. And you would prefer to lynch who now (besides me ofcourse)...?

 

Would Corvhin give enough info or not? Admitted, imo, should he flip wolf, it'd look bad for you, but there's that....

VoteCount D1.5

 

Seph (1) - Talya

Leyrann (3) - Mawt, Corv, Dice

Mawt (1) - Seph

Sooh (1) - Verbal

Zander (1) - RTE

Thane (1) - Ley

Corv (1) - Thane

 

On the deathrow: Leyrann

It is D1, no majority today. Deadline lynch. Deadline below.

 

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VoteCount D1.4

 

Seph (1) - Talya

Leyrann (3) - Mawt, Corv, Dice

Mawt (1) - Seph

Dice (1) - Ley

Sooh (1) - Verbal

Zander (1) - RTE

Thane (1) - Ley

Corv (1) - Thane

 

On the deathrow: Leyrann

It is D1, no majority today. Deadline lynch. Deadline below.

 

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do i have some unknown double vote power, oh dear mod? Should not have a vote on Ley anymore *nods* made a slight a chance in the quote *bows*

This should be right. Had serious DM problems.

yeah, you're not going to find a wolf there....

 

so, for the progress of the game, you'd deny all other townplayers information. And you would prefer to lynch who now (besides me ofcourse)...?

 

Would Corvhin give enough info or not? Admitted, imo, should he flip wolf, it'd look bad for you, but there's that....

 

Well, you're not going to find one here either.

 

I don't want to deny town information. I want to lynch mafia. Lynching mafia is, FOR ME at least, a priority above getting information. Information doesn't win the game, killing mafia does. Your MAIN argument to lynch me is not that I'm mafia, but that I'd give information. That in itself is scummy enough that you're easily my #1 scum read.

 

Would Corvhin give enough info? I don't think he would if he were town. But, once again, we're lynching for mafia, not for information. The other people high on my list are Seph and Maw